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What is happening with Danny Ric, not feeling the love at McLaren, or just not up to scratch. He's being soundly beaten by Norris, when I realistically thought it would be the other way around.

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He was pretty solid in the race. He's badly lacking one-lap pace so far, but he hasn't been hopeless.

Remember that when Dan switched to Renault he was also a bit slow to begin with, but he got past that and started to dominate Hulk (and later Ocon). I'd give him some more time, but also we should remember that Lando is a pretty handy driver. Consider how Sainz is comparing to Leclerc right now, also being new to the team.
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I think as good as these guys are, to find that final couple of tenths, you have to be 100% confortable in the car. If you are still figurinh a few things out, getting that last bit of feel, you will not be at your quickest.
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I'm hoping it's just a settling in thing, I highly rate Danny - but the body language in and out of the car just doesn't look right. Also have to say Norris has even upped his game on last year, really looking good.

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yodasarmpit wrote:
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I'm hoping it's just a settling in thing, I highly rate Danny - but the body language in and out of the car just doesn't look right. Also have to say Norris has even upped his game on last year, really looking good.
Yeah I believe Norris has upped his game and he needed to if he has ambitions to be world champion, with Ricciardo we have to remember that early on at Renault he was 3 tenths slower than the Hulk but this got somewhat masked by the Hulk having issues with his car.

I think without doubt Ricciardo will improve however I'm not so sure he will turn the tables on Norris like he did with the Hulk.
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yodasarmpit wrote:
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I'm hoping it's just a settling in thing, I highly rate Danny - but the body language in and out of the car just doesn't look right. Also have to say Norris has even upped his game on last year, really looking good.
Ricciardo also struggled in his first half season with Renault.

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I'm hoping it's just a settling in thing, I highly rate Danny - but the body language in and out of the car just doesn't look right. Also have to say Norris has even upped his game on last year, really looking good.
Ricciardo also struggled in his first half season with Renault.
It actually only lasted 3 races.
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Ouch. That will have hurt. Come Ricciardo, Norris is good, but this gap is not representative.
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I am hoping McLaren find something amiss with Daniel's car.

Lando is good, but he's not a second faster than Ricciardo. That is a massive gap and can't be explained by settling in or driver skill.

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oz_karter wrote:
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I am hoping McLaren find something amiss with Daniel's car.

Lando is good, but he's not a second faster than Ricciardo. That is a massive gap and can't be explained by settling in or driver skill.
I think it can be explained to a certain extent by settling in. I agree with you that it's absolutely not the true gap, however.

On the other hand, Dan was legitimately quicker than Norris just the last race weekend, in Spain. It's baffling how he suddenly went to being so far off at a track he usually enjoys, so you may be on to something.
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Exediron wrote:
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oz_karter wrote:
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I am hoping McLaren find something amiss with Daniel's car.

Lando is good, but he's not a second faster than Ricciardo. That is a massive gap and can't be explained by settling in or driver skill.
I think it can be explained to a certain extent by settling in. I agree with you that it's absolutely not the true gap, however.

On the other hand, Dan was legitimately quicker than Norris just the last race weekend, in Spain. It's baffling how he suddenly went to being so far off at a track he usually enjoys, so you may be on to something.
Well maybe, maybe not, apparently Norris damaged his car in qualifying and it's very hard to pass at Barcelona.
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Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
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Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
We're just 5 races into the season, I think it's far too soon to be thinking we are seeing career defining moments.
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Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
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DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
Yeah I can't see that happening - certainly hope not. I'm just thinking Ricciardos stock was really high generally going into this season, despite a lack of top-line results due to his car. He seems to be rated up there as best of the rest after the holy trinity of HAM/VER/LEC. But if he can't at least get on a par with Lando that would change.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
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pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
I agree with you that's how it should be. In practice I think the quality of the car effects people's perception a lot more. If Norris is hammering Ricciardo but only scoring occasional points because the McLaren is slow people won't be willing to put him on the top tier. If he's beating Ricciardo by less but in the fastest car and winning the WDC then he will be rated as a top driver.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:47 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
I agree with you that's how it should be. In practice I think the quality of the car effects people's perception a lot more. If Norris is hammering Ricciardo but only scoring occasional points because the McLaren is slow people won't be willing to put him on the top tier. If he's beating Ricciardo by less but in the fastest car and winning the WDC then he will be rated as a top driver.
I'm not so sure, Leclerc was getting a lot of credit for what he was doing in that tank called a Ferrari, some good races and the anillation of Vettel, but I guess you're talking about being in even a worse car then that, Russell doesn't seem to get a bad press despite driving that dog of a Williams.

Like Leclerc in 2019 I think that Norris is establishing his reputation this season and then people will make allowance for him being in a bad car, Alonso didn't lose reputation during his McLaren Honda years this even despite not beating Button in 2015.
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pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 2:07 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:47 pm
pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
I agree with you that's how it should be. In practice I think the quality of the car effects people's perception a lot more. If Norris is hammering Ricciardo but only scoring occasional points because the McLaren is slow people won't be willing to put him on the top tier. If he's beating Ricciardo by less but in the fastest car and winning the WDC then he will be rated as a top driver.
I'm not so sure, Leclerc was getting a lot of credit for what he was doing in that tank called a Ferrari, some good races and the anillation of Vettel, but I guess you're talking about being in even a worse car then that, Russell doesn't seem to get a bad press despite driving that dog of a Williams.

Like Leclerc in 2019 I think that Norris is establishing his reputation this season and then people will make allowance for him being in a bad car, Alonso didn't lose reputation during his McLaren Honda years this even despite not beating Button in 2015.
Russell isn't rated top tier. Norris already had that 2019 season where he could compete for regular wins. Alonso had years of running at the top.

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pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
I think a problem with this logic is that it seems to assume every driver drives at a constant level. For whatever reason, Ricciardo could be underperforming this year. If Ricciardo is underperforming, then it could possible that Norris is driving at the same level as last year, we just don't know.

It seems clear at least one of Ricciardo and Norris has changed their level since last year. It could even be that both have changed their level. But I can't see how we can assume that Ricciardo must be at the same level, allowing us to assume Norris is now at a new level.

Until we can be confident we know the level Ricciardo is in at in comparison with previous years, it is difficult to use him as a yardstick for Norris.

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iano wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 8:03 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
I think a problem with this logic is that it seems to assume every driver drives at a constant level. For whatever reason, Ricciardo could be underperforming this year. If Ricciardo is underperforming, then it could possible that Norris is driving at the same level as last year, we just don't know.

It seems clear at least one of Ricciardo and Norris has changed their level since last year. It could even be that both have changed their level. But I can't see how we can assume that Ricciardo must be at the same level, allowing us to assume Norris is now at a new level.

Until we can be confident we know the level Ricciardo is in at in comparison with previous years, it is difficult to use him as a yardstick for Norris.
I don't think that is clear especially with Sainz doing well against Leclerc. I think Norris is a quality driver who going into his third season has likely improved a little and Dan is adjusting to his new team. I'd expect Ricciardo to start closing the gap to Norris.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 8:23 am
iano wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 8:03 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
I think a problem with this logic is that it seems to assume every driver drives at a constant level. For whatever reason, Ricciardo could be underperforming this year. If Ricciardo is underperforming, then it could possible that Norris is driving at the same level as last year, we just don't know.

It seems clear at least one of Ricciardo and Norris has changed their level since last year. It could even be that both have changed their level. But I can't see how we can assume that Ricciardo must be at the same level, allowing us to assume Norris is now at a new level.

Until we can be confident we know the level Ricciardo is in at in comparison with previous years, it is difficult to use him as a yardstick for Norris.
I don't think that is clear especially with Sainz doing well against Leclerc. I think Norris is a quality driver who going into his third season has likely improved a little and Dan is adjusting to his new team. I'd expect Ricciardo to start closing the gap to Norris.
Hmmm... you feel it is not clear that at least one of Ricciardo and Norris has changed their level since last year?
But you think Norris has improved, but has done so while remaining at the at the exact same level as last year? I am missing something in what you are saying there..... probably the fault is that what I was trying to say was unclear. Anyway.

I feel your analysis that Norris is up on last year, and Riccardo may be down a little due to adjusting to the new car sounds very likely spot on. But this would mean the performances of both, so far at least, are different from their levels last year.... Riccardo, at least so far, would be below level demonstrated last year because he is adjusting, and Norris above last year level having improved.

If that is true, and I think it likely, the question as to how much Norris has improved, will be difficult to answer until we feel Ricciardo has completed his adjusting.

I feel that while those who should be experts find Ricciardo's results so far "very weird", it is too early to be able to use performance relative Ricciardo to judge how well Norris is driving. I agree Norris has most likely lifted his level, I just do not feel I can base that opinion on performance relative to Ricciardo, as I suspect Ricciardo is not yet showing his true level.

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pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
That's a very fair point. Norris stock has certainly risen so far this year and the fact that's he's doing well against a known-quantity teammate is a big part of that.

But I guess to a lesser extent it still "devalues" Ricciardo. It doesn't make him less of a driver, but it does mean there are other (younger) drivers available at that level and as soon as the teams have options you are not in the position you were. If Ricciard was seen as best of the rest, that may now become a group of him, Norris and Sainz for example.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 6:04 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 2:07 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:47 pm
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Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
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If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
I agree with you that's how it should be. In practice I think the quality of the car effects people's perception a lot more. If Norris is hammering Ricciardo but only scoring occasional points because the McLaren is slow people won't be willing to put him on the top tier. If he's beating Ricciardo by less but in the fastest car and winning the WDC then he will be rated as a top driver.
I'm not so sure, Leclerc was getting a lot of credit for what he was doing in that tank called a Ferrari, some good races and the anillation of Vettel, but I guess you're talking about being in even a worse car then that, Russell doesn't seem to get a bad press despite driving that dog of a Williams.

Like Leclerc in 2019 I think that Norris is establishing his reputation this season and then people will make allowance for him being in a bad car, Alonso didn't lose reputation during his McLaren Honda years this even despite not beating Button in 2015.
Russell isn't rated top tier. Norris already had that 2019 season where he could compete for regular wins. Alonso had years of running at the top.
That's because he's not had a decent teammate to compare against even then it's not done him a lot of harm.

I think with Norris you mean podiums and not wins, the bottom line is that he got beat by Sainz, beating Ricciardo this year is clearly a step up from the last 2 years, that's the main factor the podiums are a nice extra.

If he builds his reputation around beating Ricciardo then that can stave off a few bad cars.
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iano wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 8:03 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
I think a problem with this logic is that it seems to assume every driver drives at a constant level. For whatever reason, Ricciardo could be underperforming this year. If Ricciardo is underperforming, then it could possible that Norris is driving at the same level as last year, we just don't know.

It seems clear at least one of Ricciardo and Norris has changed their level since last year. It could even be that both have changed their level. But I can't see how we can assume that Ricciardo must be at the same level, allowing us to assume Norris is now at a new level.

Until we can be confident we know the level Ricciardo is in at in comparison with previous years, it is difficult to use him as a yardstick for Norris.
You're replying to my post were I said we can make such a determination if Norris is still beating Ricciardo after 3 years as teammates, I wasn't offering a short term verdict of who is the better driver between Norris and Ricciardo.
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Re: The Official Daniel Ricciardo Thread

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DOLOMITE wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 9:19 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 12:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 9:47 am
Just thinking about Ricciardos age and the contract/driver market. If he can't get up to Landos current level this could be a career-ending move. I think the contract is through to 23 so the pressure isn't immediate but if next time Ricciardo is on the market he is 34 (I think) and has been spanked by a younger less experienced driver he won't be on the shopping list of any top teams. Come on DR!
If he's spanked for 3 years solid then maybe. Kind of depends on how Norris is rated as well. That really depends on the car McLaren deliver in 2022.
At this moment I think Norris has a fluid rating because of his age and inexperience, ultimately after 3 years if Norris is still beating Ricciardo that shouldn't down rate Ricciardo but uprate Norris, it was thought that only a tier 1 driver could beat Ricciardo, that would be how we would have to rate Norris.
That's a very fair point. Norris stock has certainly risen so far this year and the fact that's he's doing well against a known-quantity teammate is a big part of that.

But I guess to a lesser extent it still "devalues" Ricciardo. It doesn't make him less of a driver, but it does mean there are other (younger) drivers available at that level and as soon as the teams have options you are not in the position you were. If Ricciard was seen as best of the rest, that may now become a group of him, Norris and Sainz for example.
Yeah I guess it puts Ricciardo one place further down the pecking order, I guess what I meant is that if Norris comes out on top during their time as teammates we can't be down rating Ricciardo in order to also down rate what Norris achieves against Ricciardo.
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