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F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.

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Can mods please split this into a thread on the non-F1 forum? I enjoy debating the pros and cons of monarchy but here is not the place.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:01 am
Can mods please split this into a thread on the non-F1 forum? I enjoy debating the pros and cons of monarchy but here is not the place.
I disagree.

Everything so far as been on topic for F1 (at least the bulk of each post) regarding whether or not F1 should acknowledge and make way for major events like this.

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Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.

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A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
I can understand your view point. But the point remains that the funeral will attract upto and possibly more then 1 billion viewers to watch the funeral.
I stick by the point. Whether your a royalist or a nationalist. Moving the Qualifiying to a time before the funeral will give f1 more of a audience than it would if it clashed with the funeral. Much like when f1 moved its schedule round to accommodate the world cup or the Olympics.

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wire2004 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:23 pm
A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
I can understand your view point. But the point remains that the funeral will attract upto and possibly more then 1 billion viewers to watch the funeral.
I stick by the point. Whether your a royalist or a nationalist. Moving the Qualifiying to a time before the funeral will give f1 more of a audience than it would if it clashed with the funeral. Much like when f1 moved its schedule round to accommodate the world cup or the Olympics.
Oh I absolutely accept what you're saying - this is nothing more than a commercial decision, which I can understand. However, I find the idea of moving things to accommodate a public funeral for a figurehead whose institution represents some of the worst excesses of humanity revolting.

I'm sure we wouldn't be having this conversation for Saddam Hussein's funeral - the similarities go beyond just protecting a suspected pedophile in the family from prosecution. As I said, just revolting.

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wire2004 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:23 pm
A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
I can understand your view point. But the point remains that the funeral will attract upto and possibly more then 1 billion viewers to watch the funeral.
I stick by the point. Whether your a royalist or a nationalist. Moving the Qualifiying to a time before the funeral will give f1 more of a audience than it would if it clashed with the funeral. Much like when f1 moved its schedule round to accommodate the world cup or the Olympics.
I don’t know for sure but I imagine the one billion viewers claim belongs alongside other such claims: https://www.sportingintelligence.com/20 ... uge260701/

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JN23 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 pm
wire2004 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:23 pm
A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
I can understand your view point. But the point remains that the funeral will attract upto and possibly more then 1 billion viewers to watch the funeral.
I stick by the point. Whether your a royalist or a nationalist. Moving the Qualifiying to a time before the funeral will give f1 more of a audience than it would if it clashed with the funeral. Much like when f1 moved its schedule round to accommodate the world cup or the Olympics.
I don’t know for sure but I imagine the one billion viewers claim belongs alongside other such claims: https://www.sportingintelligence.com/20 ... uge260701/
I find it hard to believe 1 in 7 people around the world will be watching. 1 in 7 in the UK sounds about right.

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A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
So do you think Haas would race if the President of the US had their funeral that day. What have Uganda offered to F1 and how may teams are based there incidentally?
F1 isn't sacrosanct, its a declining sport to suggest a qualifying round, not the race, is more important than the respects being paid to a national figure is somewhat ridiculous.

I would respect your cultural rituals if the rôles were reversed, why can't you reciprocate?

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It will be a pretty huge event, the sort of which millions will watch in some capacity quite mindlessly without having any real attachment to the event. Wouldn't be surprised if it's 1 in 7 who tune in, whether for a few minutes or for a long time, during proceedings.

To shift the scheduling to try and recoup the predicted lost audience makes sense. And yeh, F1 is quite heavily UK based so I won't be surprised if this is a move quite well supported within many of the teams.
Way more than 1 in 7 in the UK will tune into proceedings for some length of time. If historic sporting events can draw a share of roughly 2 in 5 in the UK then I'm sure a super high profile funeral will do the trick.







But to me this is all an irrelevance.

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Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:23 pm
A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
So do you think Haas would race if the President of the US had their funeral that day. What have Uganda offered to F1 and how may teams are based there incidentally?
F1 isn't sacrosanct, its a declining sport to suggest a qualifying round, not the race, is more important than the respects being paid to a national figure is somewhat ridiculous.

I would respect your cultural rituals if the rôles were reversed, why can't you reciprocate?
Interesting question, although perhaps a slightly false analogy as the DoE was simply a member of the Royal family and not our elected leader. I don’t know the actual answer, I’d imagine there would be large commercial pressure to race on, although I’d also imagine a lot of tributes would be made in the process.

Whether or not it’s more important is completely subjective. The Duke was a senior citizen who passed away, whether his funeral is more important to you than a sporting event is down to personal opinion. To me he was no more important than any of the thousands of Covid fatalities reported every day but for others that’s obviously different.
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A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
Interesting that you picked Uganda, which of course is a member of the commonwealth - the head of which is The Queen. When belittling the global interest in affairs of the UK royal family and its lack of relevance to F1, it's worth remembering that alongside the UK the following commonwealth members - Canada, Australia, Singapore, India, South Africa and Malaysia, have all hosted Grands Prix in living memory. It's also the case that a huge number of Americans just love our royal family.

Love them or hate them, it's impossible to deny there is worldwide support for them on a scale far beyond any other heads of state.

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Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:23 pm
A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
So do you think Haas would race if the President of the US had their funeral that day. What have Uganda offered to F1 and how may teams are based there incidentally?
F1 isn't sacrosanct, its a declining sport to suggest a qualifying round, not the race, is more important than the respects being paid to a national figure is somewhat ridiculous.

I would respect your cultural rituals if the rôles were reversed, why can't you reciprocate?
Let me answer this question bit by bit so that it's clear what I think.
So do you think Haas would race if the President of the US had their funeral that day.
Multiple fallacies with this false analogy. Firstly, an elected leader is not the same as the figurehead of an inherently evil institution, whitewashing PR notwithstanding. Secondly, if any UK team wishes to not race due to a geriatrics's death due to natural causes, they are welcome to do so - the argument is not about the teams, the argument is about postponing the event to allow for people to watch his funeral (which I find both creepy and nonsensical). How about you let people decide what they want to watch, instead of forcing a change for this frankly farcical nonsense?
F1 isn't sacrosanct, its a declining sport to suggest a qualifying round, not the race, is more important than the respects being paid to a national figure is somewhat ridiculous.
A national figure to you, a representation of modern evil to others. I consider the current events in Myanmar more important than this person's funeral - and I consider your stance to be completely (not somewhat) ridiculous. I think this particular event is a non-event - for me it is not very different from a shutdown in Medellin the day Pablo Escobar was shot.
I would respect your cultural rituals if the rôles were reversed, why can't you reciprocate?
I have many British friends, but I have yet to hear activities associated with this horrible institution being described in "cultural ritual" terms - I'm honestly baffled and saddened at the same time that there are people who exist today who choose to ignore the centuries of plunder/pillage/exploitation and ill-gotten gains and instead choose to glorify this monstrosity. The French revolution clearly needed to happen in some other places as well.

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TedStriker wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:46 pm
A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
Interesting that you picked Uganda, which of course is a member of the commonwealth - the head of which is The Queen. When belittling the global interest in affairs of the UK royal family and its lack of relevance to F1, it's worth remembering that alongside the UK the following commonwealth members - Canada, Australia, Singapore, India, South Africa and Malaysia, have all hosted Grands Prix in living memory. It's also the case that a huge number of Americans just love our royal family.

Love them or hate them, it's impossible to deny there is worldwide support for them on a scale far beyond any other heads of state.
"Commonwealth" lol - I love this term, as it is an oxymoron - loot everyone's wealth and call it "common" wealth, indeed :lol:

I think you are sadly mistaken and not differentiating between commonwealth members (countries colonized by the Brits) and commonwealth realms (countries where the queen is the head of state). The queen is not the head of state for Uganda.

I have no love or hate for the royal family itself - I'm apathetic to them, as for me they are no different to the Kardashians in the US (except that the Kardashians deserve more credit as they at least became rich through legitimate and legal means - oh and that the Kardashians haven't tried everything in their power to protect a suspected pedophile in their ranks). I despise the institution that they represent - a symbol of everything that is and has been wrong with society historically.

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A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:36 pm
TedStriker wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:46 pm
A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
Interesting that you picked Uganda, which of course is a member of the commonwealth - the head of which is The Queen. When belittling the global interest in affairs of the UK royal family and its lack of relevance to F1, it's worth remembering that alongside the UK the following commonwealth members - Canada, Australia, Singapore, India, South Africa and Malaysia, have all hosted Grands Prix in living memory. It's also the case that a huge number of Americans just love our royal family.

Love them or hate them, it's impossible to deny there is worldwide support for them on a scale far beyond any other heads of state.
"Commonwealth" lol - I love this term, as it is an oxymoron - loot everyone's wealth and call it "common" wealth, indeed :lol:

I think you are sadly mistaken and not differentiating between commonwealth members (countries colonized by the Brits) and commonwealth realms (countries where the queen is the head of state). The queen is not the head of state for Uganda.

I have no love or hate for the royal family itself - I'm apathetic to them, as for me they are no different to the Kardashians in the US (except that the Kardashians deserve more credit as they at least became rich through legitimate and legal means - oh and that the Kardashians haven't tried everything in their power to protect a suspected pedophile in their ranks). I despise the institution that they represent - a symbol of everything that is and has been wrong with society historically.

I'm gonna bow out of this. There is people who will think what they think and others who will think in a contrary opinion. Both there opinions are as valid as the next one. Whether they are right or wrong. Is upto personal preference.

All I will say is this. If you think it's bad because of the Duke of Edinburghs death. It is going to be 10 times worse when the queen dies and equally as such when Charles is coronated to to the throne.

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Re: Prince Phillip

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A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:25 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:23 pm
A.J. wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
F1 is hugely based in the UK in terms of teams and manufacturers. It is also reliant on Sky for broadcasting. Both are in the UK. Are people seriously objecting to a disruption purely to watch care drive round in circles?

One is a sport the other is national institution, I struggle to think of another figure in the world with the same longevity and service.
Its disconnection from reality and frankly arrogance to suggest that F1 shouldn't respect a figurehead like that. Its not even affecting the race, merely qualifying.
Its not about hereditary power either, people should be judged on what they do in their lives, not their position. Prince Phillip left a legacy to the world youth in the Duke of Edinburgh awards that will see kids from all backgrounds and races get a significant confidence boost.

F1 has a relevance issue as a sport being seen as favouring the white and the rich, suggesting that nothing extraneous should affect that preserve, even marginally, would simply confirm is decreasing relevance in my view.
While you may care for a local figurehead, for many people in the world the monarchy represents the worst of the excesses of the old empire - the looting, the pillaging, and all the other evils of colonialism. Just as you consider your viewpoint to be valid, you must also consider equally valid opposing viewpoints which consider the monarchy an evil and outdated institution, and the glorification of which is considered vile by many.

Would any global sport be disrupted by the death of a beloved leader in Uganda? If the answer is no, why do you think your figurehead is somehow special? I am not from the UK, and I could not give a rat's behind about the royal family. While the UK has historically been one of the centers of motorsport, it is by no means the bastion of motorsport you're trying to make it out to be. It wouldn't shock me if today more Americans/Chinese/Indians/Brazilians watch F1 than Brits - just as it wouldn't shock me if more non-Brits were employed in motorsport than Brits. Nationalism has no place in a global sport.
So do you think Haas would race if the President of the US had their funeral that day. What have Uganda offered to F1 and how may teams are based there incidentally?
F1 isn't sacrosanct, its a declining sport to suggest a qualifying round, not the race, is more important than the respects being paid to a national figure is somewhat ridiculous.

I would respect your cultural rituals if the rôles were reversed, why can't you reciprocate?
Let me answer this question bit by bit so that it's clear what I think.
So do you think Haas would race if the President of the US had their funeral that day.
Multiple fallacies with this false analogy. Firstly, an elected leader is not the same as the figurehead of an inherently evil institution, whitewashing PR notwithstanding. Secondly, if any UK team wishes to not race due to a geriatrics's death due to natural causes, they are welcome to do so - the argument is not about the teams, the argument is about postponing the event to allow for people to watch his funeral (which I find both creepy and nonsensical). How about you let people decide what they want to watch, instead of forcing a change for this frankly farcical nonsense?
F1 isn't sacrosanct, its a declining sport to suggest a qualifying round, not the race, is more important than the respects being paid to a national figure is somewhat ridiculous.
A national figure to you, a representation of modern evil to others. I consider the current events in Myanmar more important than this person's funeral - and I consider your stance to be completely (not somewhat) ridiculous. I think this particular event is a non-event - for me it is not very different from a shutdown in Medellin the day Pablo Escobar was shot.
I would respect your cultural rituals if the rôles were reversed, why can't you reciprocate?
I have many British friends, but I have yet to hear activities associated with this horrible institution being described in "cultural ritual" terms - I'm honestly baffled and saddened at the same time that there are people who exist today who choose to ignore the centuries of plunder/pillage/exploitation and ill-gotten gains and instead choose to glorify this monstrosity. The French revolution clearly needed to happen in some other places as well.
You clearly have some sort of 'anti monarchist' stance. Typically in you quest to push your point you fail to look at the factual details.

Whilst you must have enjoyed your rant, all that is being said is its not a hardship to have qualifying, not the race, qualifying broadcast moved.

Can I also point out that your are being extraordinarily hypocritical in your " plunder/pillage/exploitation and ill-gotten gains comment.

Are you equally critical of the US or do you bemoan the American war of independence perhaps. Slavery in the UK was abolished in 1833 it took 32 years and a civil war until 1865 for it to happen in the US.

Current protests are still focused on a massive racial divide and yet still it seems equality for non-whites is a long way off. How did Independence advance the US I ask?

The only point I was making was that as an individual if you look at what Phillip did in his life he did much to rectify the errors of the past and left a legacy of the Duke of Edinburgh Awards that have assisted youngsters across the world in developing self esteem and confidence.

All that is being asked is that the passing of a man aged 99 who gave great deal to others be respected.

I repeat whether your country lost a leader or some one of the calibre of Martin Luther King or say Nelson Madela I personally and I'm sure many others wouldn't batter an eyelid to put aside watching practice for the main event in order to recognise their contribution to the world.

I've no intention to perpetuate a debate on monarchy as that was never the point so that too is my final offering on this matter.

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Re: ( split thread) Prince Phillip

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I have no interest in the Royal family. I didn't feel any more sadness for Prince Phillip's death than I do when I read about other deaths in the press, be they celebrities or people living in my part of the world. I would not kick up a fuss if the Royal family were dispanded. That said, we can not escape the fact that they exist and that they are truly famous across the world. I too will be watching the funeral because like it or not, it's a massive occasion that will be covered across the entire planet. I will watch with interest, as I did Diana's funeral plus William and Harry's weddings, They are fascinating events.

I fully understand why sporting events have been moved and have no issue with this happening.
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:07 pm
I have no interest in the Royal family. I didn't feel any more sadness for Prince Phillip's death than I do when I read about other deaths in the press, be they celebrities or people living in my part of the world. I would not kick up a fuss if the Royal family were dispanded. That said, we can not escape the fact that they exist and that they are truly famous across the world. I too will be watching the funeral because like it or not, it's a massive occasion that will be covered across the entire planet. I will watch with interest, as I did Diana's funeral plus William and Harry's weddings, They are fascinating events.

I fully understand why sporting events have been moved and have no issue with this happening.
Well, you clearly do then. Half of what the royals are these days is just pomp and ceremony, if you find that fascinating then you have an interest in the royals.
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Re: ( split thread) Prince Phillip

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Banana Man wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:55 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:07 pm
I have no interest in the Royal family. I didn't feel any more sadness for Prince Phillip's death than I do when I read about other deaths in the press, be they celebrities or people living in my part of the world. I would not kick up a fuss if the Royal family were dispanded. That said, we can not escape the fact that they exist and that they are truly famous across the world. I too will be watching the funeral because like it or not, it's a massive occasion that will be covered across the entire planet. I will watch with interest, as I did Diana's funeral plus William and Harry's weddings, They are fascinating events.

I fully understand why sporting events have been moved and have no issue with this happening.
Well, you clearly do then. Half of what the royals are these days is just pomp and ceremony, if you find that fascinating then you have an interest in the royals.
Maybe I didn't explain it. I have an interest in big events and this is a huge one. This would be the same if it was a funeral of a senior Royal from another country. I have no specific love of the Royals as an institution but they exist and I do take an interest in big world events. Like it or not, this is a pretty big one. As I said, I'd have no issue with the Royal family ending and being no more because I am not a royalist.
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You tell 'em AJ.

The monarch is an outdated and wasteful PR excercise. Like the Kardashians but with much more crimes against humanity.
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f1madman wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 5:56 pm
You tell 'em AJ.

The monarch is an outdated and wasteful PR excercise. Like the Kardashians but with much more crimes against humanity.
I'd put the Kardashians far higher in terms of societal damage. Can't be bothered getting into history, because that's what it is, but the Kardashians are currently destroying young girls lives at an astonishing rate and creating a generation of quite frankly horrible people who try to emulate their idols at the expense of becoming decent human beings.

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