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Absolute monster that, such a relief to see them both climb out.
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I think Tsunoda lost the race when he got held up behind Markelov, who had yet to pit, it allowed Schumacher into DRS range and then Schumacher made a good pass.

I think the win sees Schumacher into F1 for next season now, second place for Tsunoda has him well placed for the necessary super license points.
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Glad Aitken and Ghiotto are ok after what was a huge impact.

Quirk of the rules means they still finish fourth and fifth!

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Anyone else seem to think there was a slow response from the marshalls after the crash?

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Well that was a waste of time and perhaps shows how much of a sideshow that F2 is, a 3 hour gap between the starts of the F1 and F2 races yet there wasn't enough time to get the race restarted.

As for the crash I blame Aitken, his car washed out wide and put both cars into the barriers.
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Anyone else seem to think there was a slow response from the marshalls after the crash?
Yes, I thought there was an incredible amount of time before anyone got to the car. Had he been unconscious or stuck in the car when it caught fire, I do wonder how bad that might have got.
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Lundgaard is a pretty unlucky chap. Shame, since I like him and think he's arguably the most promising driver in the field.
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Well that was a waste of time and perhaps shows how much of a sideshow that F2 is, a 3 hour gap between the starts of the F1 and F2 races yet there wasn't enough time to get the race restarted.
Don't agree at all. The barriers were smashed, even the concrete was put out of position by the force of the crash. The priority had to be to make sure everything was properly repaired by the Grand Prix. Rushing the job and restarting just to give some people the satisfaction of seeing a support race end normally would have been silly.
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Yes and no.

I think at some point they do need to remember they are offering a product here that the competitors are paying gigantic sums of money for. Millions of pounds are changing hands for these drivers to be in these seats and at some point if you are selling a product you have to make sure it's worth the cost. I'd be pretty chesed off if I was paying millions for someone to drive in F2 if races were getting called off after only a few laps.

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Exediron wrote:
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Lundgaard is a pretty unlucky chap. Shame, since I like him and think he's arguably the most promising driver in the field.
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Well that was a waste of time and perhaps shows how much of a sideshow that F2 is, a 3 hour gap between the starts of the F1 and F2 races yet there wasn't enough time to get the race restarted.
Don't agree at all. The barriers were smashed, even the concrete was put out of position by the force of the crash. The priority had to be to make sure everything was properly repaired by the Grand Prix. Rushing the job and restarting just to give some people the satisfaction of seeing a support race end normally would have been silly.
I don't think it changes the fact that it highlights that it's a sideshow, on it's own platform I think the race would have been completed.

Did you bring Lundgaard up because he's a driver I champion?

I'm afraid he was the arbritor of his own downfall this time out, he made a bad start in the feature race immediately losing a few places and then he was incredible slow approaching the first corner like he didn't want to get involved in any mayhem up front, this allowed a car from way back to outbrake him easily into the corner on his inside, and this also allowed him to be involved in the mutiple collision with cars that should have been nowhere near him even with the bad start.

As an overview though he's destroying his Ferrari accademy teammate Armstrong who finished 3rd in F3 last year, even with spec cars I would question how even the cars really are and to a point I think teammate comparisons, which is something we are left to do in F1, also have some weight in the junior series especially in F3.

He's in the Renault Accademy, I have to think they appreciate how good he is given that he was put on the scheme after finishing second in the FRenault Eurocup as a rookie, normally only the champion gets put on the scheme, he and the more experienced champion were then placed in the same team in F3 where Lundgaard thrashed him even though he himself only finished 6th in the series, and then like I've already said he gets teamed up with the driver who beat him reasonably easy in F3 and he also thrashes him this year in F2.

It was also unusual for Lundgaard to be put into F3 normally a driver finishing second in the FRenault Eurocup would have to do another season were he would be expected to win or otherwise risk being dropped which happened to Victor Martins last year despite missing out narrowly to Oscar Piastri who had similar experience to him, Piastri of course is now the F3 Champion, after inheriting Martins place in the Renault Scheme, albeit he was in the best team.

Then same again last year despite Lundgaard only finishing 6th in F3 he immediately gets promoted to F2, normally a driver would have to do another season in F3, so like I say Renault must have a notion of just how good he is.
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Absolute monster that, such a relief to see them both climb out.
Wow 8O That Tecpro really is awesome stuff.

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I don’t know if that’s a deliberate design feature or just a sign of violence if the impact but it wouldn’t be a bad idea if the outer layer is designed to puncture and allow the car to pass through. Then the second layer can do most of the stopping and the other layer can stop the car from bouncing back out, as happened with Hubert. If his car had been buried within the tech pro like that, he’d have probably climbed out and walked home whilst Correa pitted for a new nose.
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I don’t know if that’s a deliberate design feature or just a sign of violence if the impact but it wouldn’t be a bad idea if the outer layer is designed to puncture and allow the car to pass through. Then the second layer can do most of the stopping and the other layer can stop the car from bouncing back out, as happened with Hubert. If his car had been buried within the tech pro like that, he’d have probably climbed out and walked home whilst Correa pitted for a new nose.
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Hadn't considered that, I was a little concerned at the time that the car had managed to punch through a layer of barrier but like you say it was actually quite effective for containing the car. I am not sure it's intentional though, I'm not aware of it being mentioned at any point as a deliberate feature.

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Exciting times for the Ferrari driver academy drivers:

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So — Tsunoda's ticket and track into F1. Yeah... about that.

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So — Tsunoda's ticket and track into F1. Yeah... about that.
It's not looking great but Honda could still buy him a seat I guess?
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pokerman wrote:
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So — Tsunoda's ticket and track into F1. Yeah... about that.
It's not looking great but Honda could still buy him a seat I guess?
They’re still there next year so he might be fine for an Alpha Tauri seat next year still.

Perhaps if Red Bull like him they could add him to their own programme?

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JN23 wrote:
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So — Tsunoda's ticket and track into F1. Yeah... about that.
It's not looking great but Honda could still buy him a seat I guess?
They’re still there next year so he might be fine for an Alpha Tauri seat next year still.

Perhaps if Red Bull like him they could add him to their own programme?
I'd like to think that might happen but they could also be vindictive because of Honda's pull out, they can't be happy about that.
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https://formulascout.com/fia-extends-su ... ears/69266

This is good news for some. Essentially you only need 30 points now.

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Zhou finally gets a good start but ends up having contact :-((

What a first lap from Schumacher!

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Good result for the championship battle with Ilott taking points out of Schumacher. Ilott has great speed but seems a bit meh in races.

Brilliant drive from Tsunoda.

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I have to say, that was a very mature drive from Schumacher. He really seems to have grown in terms of racecraft. A blinding start with some brave moves before having a pop at the podium towards the end but not doing anything that removed his front wing and ruining his race.

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JN23 wrote:
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Good result for the championship battle with Ilott taking points out of Schumacher. Ilott has great speed but seems a bit meh in races.

Brilliant drive from Tsunoda.
I think Tsunoda has just booked his F1 seat with AlphaTauri for next season.
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Superb stuff from Tsunoda. Both he and Schumacher keep showing that they are ready for F1.

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Indeed, what a rebound from Tsunoda after wetting the bed in qualifying. If anything, that was a blessing in disguise, as he had the platform to display what appears to be considerable talent.

Schumacher is absolutely ready for F1.

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Race 2, here we go.
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Bad luck for my boy Yuki when he was going well.

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Fantastic racing with cars following closely and passing without the need for DRS!
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Dear oh dear. Big mistake from Ilott there.
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What place does Tsunoda need in the championship to get a super license? Down to about 5th now I think.

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I think 5th.

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Mick is definitely enjoying some of his dad’s luck today. Silly mistake from CI.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
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I think 5th.
Thanks. Should be ok for that then if his car holds together/he performs well

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Tsunoda would have won had Armstrong not punctured his tyre, another bonehead move by Ilott who could have won the title quite easily if not for several such moments.
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Weak race by Schumacher. Lucky guy because of Ilott's mistake ( so typical for him - fast but so error prone).

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Not Schumacher's best race by a long way but he did the hard work in the feature race, and Ilott has effectively handed him the initiative.
Wasn't convinced about Tsunoda before this weekend but he did a great job-unlucky to have had his sprint race ruined.
Mazepin had a pretty good weekend but I'm not convinced by him at the moment.
Being a Brit, I was hoping that Ilott would prove that he is worthy of consideration for an F1 drive but - as above - he is quick but can mess things up.
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Not Schumacher's best race by a long way but he did the hard work in the feature race, and Ilott has effectively handed him the initiative.
Wasn't convinced about Tsunoda before this weekend but he did a great job-unlucky to have had his sprint race ruined.
Mazepin had a pretty good weekend but I'm not convinced by him at the moment.
Being a Brit, I was hoping that Ilott would prove that he is worthy of consideration for an F1 drive but - as above - he is quick but can mess things up.
It didn't matter what Illot did Ferrari already told him 2 weeks ago that he's not getting a F1 drive, and has we have seen that has now gone to Schumacher despite the title still to be decided between the two of them.
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I dare say Ilott will now want to throw the championship in some ways. Where else can he go at this point if he wins it? He's not looking for a Ferrari GT seat, is he?
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He can't afford F2 for another year anyway.

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Tufty wrote:
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I dare say Ilott will now want to throw the championship in some ways. Where else can he go at this point if he wins it? He's not looking for a Ferrari GT seat, is he?
I think that it's going to need a bad weekend for Schumacher for Ilott to win the championship. Rather ironic should that happen; the one Ferrari academy driver who isn't offered an F1 seat finding himself ineligible for another year in F2.
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He can't afford F2 for another year anyway.
Ilott? Do you mean financially or on the basis that he has had two years and should have been expecting to move on?
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I meant financially, he's already said he doesn't have the budget for another year of F2, but drivers who win F2 after more than two seasons aren't taken seriously anyway. Even if he could afford it I think it's better to leave as champion this year than risk another season where he may not win. Especially as this is really Ilott's only good season in years.

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