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FIA never cease to amaze me by how incompetent they are

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Called to the stewards for slow driving in FP3:
Latifi,
Grosjean,
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Albon
Sainz
Hamilton - but he is 'NOT' under investigation.
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Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:10 am
pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:09 am
Bottas all 4 wheels off on his fastest lap, bring in a draft of rules that the stewards don't have the competence to police.
Yep.

Looked awfully like Vettel last year. Didn't check the behind camera.
Apparently they only used the onboard camera which as we can see isn't fit for purpose to police the rule, the incompetence has no bounds.
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pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:33 am
Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:11 am
Was that Grosjean blocking Hamilton?
If it was what can we say yet again?
It was indeed Grosjean

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pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 pm
Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:10 am
pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:09 am
Bottas all 4 wheels off on his fastest lap, bring in a draft of rules that the stewards don't have the competence to police.
Yep.

Looked awfully like Vettel last year. Didn't check the behind camera.
Apparently they only used the onboard camera which as we can see isn't fit for purpose to police the rule, the incompetence has no bounds.
Pathetic.

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Herb wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:57 pm
8O
pretty cool helmet. the cardboard "fans" in the stands are kind of cheesy, but it cost a minimum of 40 bucks that goes to a charity. and vettel took pictures of the 76 team members and they are all "in the stands" nice gesture

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Of course it would be Grosjean.

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Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 pm
Called to the stewards for slow driving in FP3:
Latifi,
Grosjean,
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Albon
Sainz
Hamilton - but he is 'NOT' under investigation.
Hamilton should be under investigation as well, he took an unnecessary risk there, his driving there was just to get the others a penalty or worse he could have lost it on the grass and caused a Spa '12 like accident.

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Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:28 pm
Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 pm
Called to the stewards for slow driving in FP3:
Latifi,
Grosjean,
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Albon
Sainz
Hamilton - but he is 'NOT' under investigation.
Hamilton should be under investigation as well, he took an unnecessary risk there, his driving there was just to get the others a penalty or worse he could have lost it on the grass and caused a Spa '12 like accident.
Don’t disagree that Hamilton should be under investigation as you could argue he was driving dangerously, although you could then argue he did that because the others were going unnecessarily slowly, but why would he be driving ‘just to get the others a penalty’?

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Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:28 pm
Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 pm
Called to the stewards for slow driving in FP3:
Latifi,
Grosjean,
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Albon
Sainz
Hamilton - but he is 'NOT' under investigation.
Hamilton should be under investigation as well, he took an unnecessary risk there, his driving there was just to get the others a penalty or worse he could have lost it on the grass and caused a Spa '12 like accident.
Do you genuinly believe Hamilton through that through and decided to go on to the grass at speed because he wanted to get them all a penalty? Is he worried that those called to the stewards a likely to pip him to this year's WDC?
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Invade wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:20 pm
Of course it would be Grosjean.
I still think both Haas drivers should have more of an excuse (not sympathy maybe) than other drivers given we know that the team never seem to warn their drivers of approaching traffic. Both magnussen and Grosjean seem worse than others for this in the race and practice - and I think it is far more the teams fault than theirs.

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JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:35 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:28 pm
Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 pm
Called to the stewards for slow driving in FP3:
Latifi,
Grosjean,
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Albon
Sainz
Hamilton - but he is 'NOT' under investigation.
Hamilton should be under investigation as well, he took an unnecessary risk there, his driving there was just to get the others a penalty or worse he could have lost it on the grass and caused a Spa '12 like accident.
Don’t disagree that Hamilton should be under investigation as you could argue he was driving dangerously, although you could then argue he did that because the others were going unnecessarily slowly, but why would he be driving ‘just to get the others a penalty’?
He could see everyone in front of him it was a straight, not like he suddenly came up on them at a blind corner, also there were two cars going side by side and he tried to go around.

He could have slowed down but chose not to.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:38 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:28 pm
Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 pm
Called to the stewards for slow driving in FP3:
Latifi,
Grosjean,
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Albon
Sainz
Hamilton - but he is 'NOT' under investigation.
Hamilton should be under investigation as well, he took an unnecessary risk there, his driving there was just to get the others a penalty or worse he could have lost it on the grass and caused a Spa '12 like accident.
Do you genuinly believe Hamilton through that through and decided to go on to the grass at speed because he wanted to get them all a penalty? Is he worried that those called to the stewards a likely to pip him to this year's WDC?
If George Russell could avoid it in FP2 I see no reason why Hamilton did what he did there.

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Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:42 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:35 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:28 pm
Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 pm
Called to the stewards for slow driving in FP3:
Latifi,
Grosjean,
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Albon
Sainz
Hamilton - but he is 'NOT' under investigation.
Hamilton should be under investigation as well, he took an unnecessary risk there, his driving there was just to get the others a penalty or worse he could have lost it on the grass and caused a Spa '12 like accident.
Don’t disagree that Hamilton should be under investigation as you could argue he was driving dangerously, although you could then argue he did that because the others were going unnecessarily slowly, but why would he be driving ‘just to get the others a penalty’?
He could see everyone in front of him it was a straight, not like he suddenly came up on them at a blind corner, also there were two cars going side by side and he tried to go around.

He could have slowed down but chose not to.
Right, that doesn’t mean he was trying to get them a penalty. He has no need to. It’s laughable to suggest the guy leading the world championship by 47 points would want to get drivers in the middle/low part of the grid penalties.

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JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:44 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:42 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:35 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:28 pm
Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 pm
Called to the stewards for slow driving in FP3:
Latifi,
Grosjean,
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Albon
Sainz
Hamilton - but he is 'NOT' under investigation.
Hamilton should be under investigation as well, he took an unnecessary risk there, his driving there was just to get the others a penalty or worse he could have lost it on the grass and caused a Spa '12 like accident.
Don’t disagree that Hamilton should be under investigation as you could argue he was driving dangerously, although you could then argue he did that because the others were going unnecessarily slowly, but why would he be driving ‘just to get the others a penalty’?
He could see everyone in front of him it was a straight, not like he suddenly came up on them at a blind corner, also there were two cars going side by side and he tried to go around.

He could have slowed down but chose not to.
Right, that doesn’t mean he was trying to get them a penalty. He has no need to. It’s laughable to suggest the guy leading the world championship by 47 points would want to get drivers in the middle/low part of the grid penalties.
If Grosjean had done what Hamilton did there, most folks would be talking about how dangerous a driver he is.

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If there was only a single like of slow cars, the drivers coming up at speed know to take to the other side of the circuit to pass. The fact Hamilton saw another car pull to the right probably, like me, made him think that car was going at a decent speed too. The fact it was also crawling along caught Lewis out in my opinion.
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Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:48 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:44 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:42 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:35 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:28 pm


Hamilton should be under investigation as well, he took an unnecessary risk there, his driving there was just to get the others a penalty or worse he could have lost it on the grass and caused a Spa '12 like accident.
Don’t disagree that Hamilton should be under investigation as you could argue he was driving dangerously, although you could then argue he did that because the others were going unnecessarily slowly, but why would he be driving ‘just to get the others a penalty’?
He could see everyone in front of him it was a straight, not like he suddenly came up on them at a blind corner, also there were two cars going side by side and he tried to go around.

He could have slowed down but chose not to.
Right, that doesn’t mean he was trying to get them a penalty. He has no need to. It’s laughable to suggest the guy leading the world championship by 47 points would want to get drivers in the middle/low part of the grid penalties.
If Grosjean had done what Hamilton did there, most folks would be talking about how dangerous a driver he is.
1. You’re probably right. As I said in my first reply, you can definitely argue that what Hamilton did was dangerous. (EDITING to add that I’d argue Hamilton had to do what he did because of the drivers going slowly ahead)

2. You still haven’t explained why Hamilton would try and get those drivers a penalty.

The reason you haven’t done that is probably because it’s a laughable opinion.

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JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:51 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:48 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:44 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:42 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:35 pm


Don’t disagree that Hamilton should be under investigation as you could argue he was driving dangerously, although you could then argue he did that because the others were going unnecessarily slowly, but why would he be driving ‘just to get the others a penalty’?
He could see everyone in front of him it was a straight, not like he suddenly came up on them at a blind corner, also there were two cars going side by side and he tried to go around.

He could have slowed down but chose not to.
Right, that doesn’t mean he was trying to get them a penalty. He has no need to. It’s laughable to suggest the guy leading the world championship by 47 points would want to get drivers in the middle/low part of the grid penalties.
If Grosjean had done what Hamilton did there, most folks would be talking about how dangerous a driver he is.
1. You’re probably right. As I said in my first reply, you can definitely argue that what Hamilton did was dangerous. (EDITING to add that I’d argue Hamilton had to do what he did because of the drivers going slowly ahead)

2. You still haven’t explained why Hamilton would try and get those drivers a penalty.

The reason you haven’t done that is probably because it’s a laughable opinion.
Maybe the fact a new directive was given, also he was not on an outlap whilst everyone else was on their outlap about to start the lap, in fact if you keep that in mind it was a case of him going too fast and impeding them.

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Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:44 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:38 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:28 pm
Clarky wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 pm
Called to the stewards for slow driving in FP3:
Latifi,
Grosjean,
Perez
Gasly
Stroll
Albon
Sainz
Hamilton - but he is 'NOT' under investigation.
Hamilton should be under investigation as well, he took an unnecessary risk there, his driving there was just to get the others a penalty or worse he could have lost it on the grass and caused a Spa '12 like accident.
Do you genuinly believe Hamilton through that through and decided to go on to the grass at speed because he wanted to get them all a penalty? Is he worried that those called to the stewards a likely to pip him to this year's WDC?
If George Russell could avoid it in FP2 I see no reason why Hamilton did what he did there.
So you believe Hamilton thought he'd do it to get others a penalty?
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Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:05 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:51 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:48 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:44 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:42 pm


He could see everyone in front of him it was a straight, not like he suddenly came up on them at a blind corner, also there were two cars going side by side and he tried to go around.

He could have slowed down but chose not to.
Right, that doesn’t mean he was trying to get them a penalty. He has no need to. It’s laughable to suggest the guy leading the world championship by 47 points would want to get drivers in the middle/low part of the grid penalties.
If Grosjean had done what Hamilton did there, most folks would be talking about how dangerous a driver he is.
1. You’re probably right. As I said in my first reply, you can definitely argue that what Hamilton did was dangerous. (EDITING to add that I’d argue Hamilton had to do what he did because of the drivers going slowly ahead)

2. You still haven’t explained why Hamilton would try and get those drivers a penalty.

The reason you haven’t done that is probably because it’s a laughable opinion.
Maybe the fact a new directive was given, also he was not on an outlap whilst everyone else was on their outlap about to start the lap, in fact if you keep that in mind it was a case of him going too fast and impeding them.
I’ll ask again, why would Hamilton want to get those drivers a penalty?

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This is pathetic!!!!!
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Absolute clown show.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:17 pm
This is pathetic!!!!!
Ya think??? :lol:
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Well I'd say at least a third of the grid didn't get a chance to get a representetive lap time... I don't get why some teams don't just go earlier.

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Smfh what a joke
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Don’t know about anyone else but I’m amazed that not changing anything from last year has led to the same thing happening again.

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Albon sneaks into Q2 by the skin of his teeth.
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If the drivers can't sort themselves out, they should go to a 1 car, 1 lap shootout for Monza at least.
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Jezza13 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:28 pm
If the drivers can't sort themselves out, they should go to a 1 car, 1 lap shootout for Monza at least.
I wonder if this will be considered for Bahrain’s outer ring.

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Well so far it seems lIke the ban has hurt Redbull more than merc...

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It seems like Merc are trying to get out in front but also pretty much have Hamilton starting 6-7-8 seconds behind Bottas, perhaps to be sporting?

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JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:30 pm
Jezza13 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:28 pm
If the drivers can't sort themselves out, they should go to a 1 car, 1 lap shootout for Monza at least.
I wonder if this will be considered for Bahrain’s outer ring.
Or those driving for or managing teams, because they are supposed to have a very high level of ability and experience, could work out that 10 cars in a small bit of race track doesn't give you fast lap times. It's really not complicated.
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Lewis sets a new track record on soft tires. What is the strategy for starting on the softs????
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JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:07 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:05 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:51 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:48 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:44 pm


Right, that doesn’t mean he was trying to get them a penalty. He has no need to. It’s laughable to suggest the guy leading the world championship by 47 points would want to get drivers in the middle/low part of the grid penalties.
If Grosjean had done what Hamilton did there, most folks would be talking about how dangerous a driver he is.
1. You’re probably right. As I said in my first reply, you can definitely argue that what Hamilton did was dangerous. (EDITING to add that I’d argue Hamilton had to do what he did because of the drivers going slowly ahead)

2. You still haven’t explained why Hamilton would try and get those drivers a penalty.

The reason you haven’t done that is probably because it’s a laughable opinion.
Maybe the fact a new directive was given, also he was not on an outlap whilst everyone else was on their outlap about to start the lap, in fact if you keep that in mind it was a case of him going too fast and impeding them.
I’ll ask again, why would Hamilton want to get those drivers a penalty?
Going [too] fast on the pit straight at Monza. Whatever next, going too slowly around the Loews Hairpin at Monaco!? :lol:

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They need to stop waiting and just go for it.... A slightly slower time is better than a terrible one - and you likely will still be able to improve a little. They are waiting too long. Practicing for the repeat of Q3 last year.

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Everyone waiting for the Mercs to go out. :lol:
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pokerman wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:37 pm
Everyone waiting for the Mercs to go out. :lol:
What do the Mercs need to go out for??? :?
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:35 pm
They need to stop waiting and just go for it.... A slightly slower time is better than a terrible one - and you likely will still be able to improve a little. They are waiting too long. Practicing for the repeat of Q3 last year.
Leclerc went through without a tow, Vettel almost complaining because he couldn't get a tow.
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:35 pm
They need to stop waiting and just go for it.... A slightly slower time is better than a terrible one - and you likely will still be able to improve a little. They are waiting too long. Practicing for the repeat of Q3 last year.
Exactly, they are putting themselves in a bad situation
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