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pokerman wrote:
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Ilott is looking comfortably the fastest in the F2 field at the moment, he is mixing it at the front every race weekend while the others seem to come and go. On current form, out of the Ferrari academy he would deserve the Alfa seat and Shwartzman etc would need to wait another year. Today aside, Shwartzman has not demonstrated enough in qualifying to deserve an F1 seat yet in my opinion.
Shwartzman actually qualified well today, although it's a spec series I'm not confinced that the teams are equal, I would say that Ilott's in the best car/team.
The Prema and Uni drivers are consistently fast. Those are probably either the best two teams or the best 4 drivers. I could believe either.
I'm not convinced by the back story of Ilott for him to be so far ahead of the field, you expanded to some other drivers some who are trailing other drivers in the series so that confuses me a bit.
Those 4 drivers have shown the most speed. Obviously that doesn't always translate to points. Then you've got drivers Ticktum and Lundgaard who rarely look the absolute fastest but have been consistent.

I agree Ilott's career hardly screams F1 material but if he wins F2 in only his second season that isn't so bad.

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I'm not sure what to say. Stout defence from the lead from Tsunoda but he was eventually swamped. Ilott would have likely won the race without all the safety cars (were there three of them?) but borderline embarrassed himself at the end of the race when it came to wheel-to-wheel racecraft — that was very underwhelming.

An opportunistic win for Matsushita who pulled decisive and incisive moves, especially on the outside of Ilott at turn 4.

Half of these F2 races get nuked by safety cars based on the incompetence of mediocre drivers it seems.


And on Shwartzman, it seems he's always there or thereabouts. Well done to him for P2.

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I have to say, F2 really is a wonderful series to watch. Such great racing in cars that can follow closely. go two wide through multiple corners and generally race brilliantly.
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What happened to Geleal so that he was hospitalised?

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What happened to Geleal so that he was hospitalised?
I don't believe any info has been released yet.
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What happened to Geleal so that he was hospitalised?
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Geleal is a clown but that's a fairly serious injury with potentially very serious reprecussions. Seems like a sausage kerb has yet again been to blame.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
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pokerman wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:50 pm
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Ilott is looking comfortably the fastest in the F2 field at the moment, he is mixing it at the front every race weekend while the others seem to come and go. On current form, out of the Ferrari academy he would deserve the Alfa seat and Shwartzman etc would need to wait another year. Today aside, Shwartzman has not demonstrated enough in qualifying to deserve an F1 seat yet in my opinion.
Shwartzman actually qualified well today, although it's a spec series I'm not confinced that the teams are equal, I would say that Ilott's in the best car/team.
The Prema and Uni drivers are consistently fast. Those are probably either the best two teams or the best 4 drivers. I could believe either.
I'm not convinced by the back story of Ilott for him to be so far ahead of the field, you expanded to some other drivers some who are trailing other drivers in the series so that confuses me a bit.
Those 4 drivers have shown the most speed. Obviously that doesn't always translate to points. Then you've got drivers Ticktum and Lundgaard who rarely look the absolute fastest but have been consistent.

I agree Ilott's career hardly screams F1 material but if he wins F2 in only his second season that isn't so bad.
I would be looking more at the cars, the ART cars this weekend look lousy, Armstrong nearly qualified last.
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I'm not sure what to say. Stout defence from the lead from Tsunoda but he was eventually swamped. Ilott would have likely won the race without all the safety cars (were there three of them?) but borderline embarrassed himself at the end of the race when it came to wheel-to-wheel racecraft — that was very underwhelming.

An opportunistic win for Matsushita who pulled decisive and incisive moves, especially on the outside of Ilott at turn 4.

Half of these F2 races get nuked by safety cars based on the incompetence of mediocre drivers it seems.


And on Shwartzman, it seems he's always there or thereabouts. Well done to him for P2.
Yep drivers with more money than talent like Geleal and Nissany this time out.
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Having shown some pretty dire racecraft over the course of both races this weekend, I think Ilott isn't looking great at the moment. But with no one actually looking consistently fast other than him, who would be an F2 winner that would actually belong in F1 next year?
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Having shown some pretty dire racecraft over the course of both races this weekend, I think Ilott isn't looking great at the moment. But with no one actually looking consistently fast other than him, who would be an F2 winner that would actually belong in F1 next year?
I would be looking more at the rookies who are up there like Shwartzman, Lundgaard and Tsunoda, however there is no opening for Lundgaard unlike the other two.
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Tsunoda on pole in F2 and will be in the end of season test at Abu Dhabi. Needs to finish fourth/fifth to get the super license points but he has a chance of an Alpha Tauri seat next year.

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Tsunoda seems to be getting better every race weekend. Impressed with him at the moment. If he continues this progress he'll be worthy of an Alpha Tauri seat next year.

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I know fatalities are a rare occurrence in motor sport these days, but I admit I fell a little nervous about the upcoming F2 race. Was so shocking to watch what sadly happened last year.
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I was watching F3 from behind my fingers on the first lap for the same reason

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Just love F2. Another great race without action aplenty across the field. Also, their stewards just get on with it. I agree with the 5 second penalty as they were side by side and he basically gave him no room. But regardless of whether it was a penalty or not, they reviewed it and announced the penalty very very quickly.
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Tsunoda is no joke. He's a feisty racer and appears to have pace in qualifying and the race. Just needs to find a bit more consistency, but I like what I'm seeing, and he's got the track to F1.

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As for that penalty for Mazepin, it looked like Tsunoda had edged ahead and had claimed a right to more road, but it was a tricky one to call.

Schumacher was solid, pretty much as per usual. He's coming along.
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Tsunoda is no joke. He's a feisty racer and appears to have pace in qualifying and the race. Just needs to find a bit more consistency, but I like what I'm seeing, and he's got the track to F1.
I agree. He raced brilliantly and it was a real battle to the flag. Then he stepped out of the car and acted like he'd just popped out for fish and chips. He appears so calm!
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I didn't agree with the penalty I think Mazepin just took his normal line, he didn't overshoot the corner to run Tsunoda wide, then we had the F3 situation at the same corner, Piastra trying the same overtake, Lawson didn't just run wide he ran both cars off the track then Piastra managed to complete the overtake as they both returned to the track, Piastra was ordered to give back the position, it totally baffles me.
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Having said that Tsunoda had the race won before his slow pitstop, was the quickest driver, so on that score deserved to win, now he's 3rd in the series, Kvyat must be getting worried.
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I didn't agree with the penalty I think Mazepin just took his normal line, he didn't overshoot the corner to run Tsunoda wide, then we had the F3 situation at the same corner, Piastra trying the same overtake, Lawson didn't just run wide he ran both cars off the track then Piastra managed to complete the overtake as they both returned to the track, Piastra was ordered to give back the position, it totally baffles me.
I really don't understand why a normal line can be driven if there's another car completely in the way. It's called passing through a corner, surely part of racing.
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I didn't agree with the penalty I think Mazepin just took his normal line, he didn't overshoot the corner to run Tsunoda wide, then we had the F3 situation at the same corner, Piastra trying the same overtake, Lawson didn't just run wide he ran both cars off the track then Piastra managed to complete the overtake as they both returned to the track, Piastra was ordered to give back the position, it totally baffles me.
I really don't understand why a normal line can be driven if there's another car completely in the way. It's called passing through a corner, surely part of racing.
I meant by the speed Mazepin was going into the corner, he can't just disappear either, It's strange I'm making this defence because I quite like Tsunoda and wouldn't car that much for Billionaire's son Mazepin.
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pokerman wrote:
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I didn't agree with the penalty I think Mazepin just took his normal line, he didn't overshoot the corner to run Tsunoda wide, then we had the F3 situation at the same corner, Piastra trying the same overtake, Lawson didn't just run wide he ran both cars off the track then Piastra managed to complete the overtake as they both returned to the track, Piastra was ordered to give back the position, it totally baffles me.
I really don't understand why a normal line can be driven if there's another car completely in the way. It's called passing through a corner, surely part of racing.
I meant by the speed Mazepin was going into the corner, he can't just disappear either, It's strange I'm making this defence because I quite like Tsunoda and wouldn't car that much for Billionaire's son Mazepin.
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I didn't agree with the penalty I think Mazepin just took his normal line, he didn't overshoot the corner to run Tsunoda wide, then we had the F3 situation at the same corner, Piastra trying the same overtake, Lawson didn't just run wide he ran both cars off the track then Piastra managed to complete the overtake as they both returned to the track, Piastra was ordered to give back the position, it totally baffles me.
You can't take a normal line if there's already another car on it. Mazepin pushed Tsunoda off. He should have left a cars width

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mikeyg123 wrote:
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I didn't agree with the penalty I think Mazepin just took his normal line, he didn't overshoot the corner to run Tsunoda wide, then we had the F3 situation at the same corner, Piastra trying the same overtake, Lawson didn't just run wide he ran both cars off the track then Piastra managed to complete the overtake as they both returned to the track, Piastra was ordered to give back the position, it totally baffles me.
You can't take a normal line if there's already another car on it. Mazepin pushed Tsunoda off. He should have left a cars width
I agree. Whilst I understand his point that at full racing speed, you have no choice but to take the racing line, if you know a car is alongside when arriving at the braking point, you have to take that in to account and battle it out side by side, not by taking the normal line.
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As best I understand it, the rule is that the lead car is entitled to the line through a corner. Every other lap, Mazepin was the leader. But there was a point where Tsunoda had the wing ahead of Mazepin before he ran out of road. I agree that Mazepin stuck to his line as he had every other lap, but this time he didn't have the right to do so. It's a very difficult thing to judge in the moment from the cockpit so I absolutely understand why both drivers felt (and probably will always feel) they were each in the right.

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What I'm scratching my head over is the penalty decision being made so quickly over something not too far from a racing incident but no apparent decision on the unsafe release that was noted (Mazepin caused another pit team to take evasive action when released from his pit). Have I missed something?
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As best I understand it, the rule is that the lead car is entitled to the line through a corner. Every other lap, Mazepin was the leader. But there was a point where Tsunoda had the wing ahead of Mazepin before he ran out of road. I agree that Mazepin stuck to his line as he had every other lap, but this time he didn't have the right to do so. It's a very difficult thing to judge in the moment from the cockpit so I absolutely understand why both drivers felt (and probably will always feel) they were each in the right.
I've never agreed that just because somebody is ahead it means they can just ignore another car alongside them and pretend they don't exist. If two drivers are alongside both are entitled to space and neither should be driven off the circuit. If there was a barrier along the edge of the circuit then nobody would argue it's ok for a car in front to drive a car alongside (even if it's only a little bit alongside) into a wall because they're "taking the racing line".

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Nissany on pole might be interesting in F2.
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I don't watch all F2 races but whenever I do, Zhou seems to be a consistently bad starter.

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There you go Nissany, bit of an idiot.
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If Ticktum knew it was going to happen then maybe he shouldn't have put himself in that position...

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If Ticktum knew it was going to happen then maybe he shouldn't have put himself in that position...
Maybe like me he knows what Nissany is like, so when someone is dangerous you should never try to pass them because of what might happen, Ticktum was further past than Tsunoda yesterday and Mazepin got penalised, interesting to see the stewards verdict.
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I'm not sure I agree with the Tsunoda penalty, Illot clearly checked up in front of him and Tsunoda was on the brakes trying not to hit him.
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I'm not sure I agree with the Tsunoda penalty, Illot clearly checked up in front of him and Tsunoda was on the brakes trying not to hit him.
That't what I thought too.
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So yesterday the stewards made the decision on Mazepin within a few minutes, with Ticktum and a simlar incident were going to decide after the race, seriously?
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Peter Windsor, ( I think it's him) needs to shut up about drivers trying to go around the outside at the end of the Kemmel Straight. They are allowed to have a go as it's not their fault the defending driver takes the defensive inside line. There'd be no racing if risks like that were not taken.
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