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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:20 pm 
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But if you go into a topic expecting a certain subject to be under discussion and find that it's not what's being discussed, it gets confusing.


Yep it's not ideal but how does that confused person benefit from the thread being locked?

It's just always something that's done because convention says so rather than it actually being for anybodies gain.

In the case of race threads its only natural that eventually they drift onto subjects that the race brings up. If people want to discuss those finer points then what's the harm?


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It's hardly convention, we've only started doing it this year.

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It's hardly convention, we've only started doing it this year.


I was musing more generally rather than specifically on official race threads.

My central point to the locking of race threads is to really just question who gets hurt by leaving them open? What do we lose?


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It's pretty much infuriating how quickly race threads get locked. There is no question.

What, do we need official "race aftermath" or "thoughts on the race weekend" threads or something? Maybe that could work, but it's natural for tangents to arise in the main thread in the days following the race.


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Maybe the deadline could be moved further up, e.g. to the next race weekend?

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It's pretty much infuriating how quickly race threads get locked. There is no question.

What, do we need official "race aftermath" or "thoughts on the race weekend" threads or something? Maybe that could work, but it's natural for tangents to arise in the main thread in the days following the race.


Frustratingly, the most recently locked race thread has, according to a mod, served its purpose. Well, looking down the first couple of pages of the forum, the overwhelming majority of threads have petered out and thus served their purpose I would assume. They're not locked though.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Invade wrote:
It's pretty much infuriating how quickly race threads get locked. There is no question.

What, do we need official "race aftermath" or "thoughts on the race weekend" threads or something? Maybe that could work, but it's natural for tangents to arise in the main thread in the days following the race.


Frustratingly, the most recently locked race thread has, according to a mod, served its purpose. Well, looking down the first couple of pages of the forum, the overwhelming majority of threads have petered out and thus served their purpose I would assume. They're not locked though.


Might as well lock this thread as well at this stage :-P

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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:
Invade wrote:
It's pretty much infuriating how quickly race threads get locked. There is no question.

What, do we need official "race aftermath" or "thoughts on the race weekend" threads or something? Maybe that could work, but it's natural for tangents to arise in the main thread in the days following the race.


Frustratingly, the most recently locked race thread has, according to a mod, served its purpose. Well, looking down the first couple of pages of the forum, the overwhelming majority of threads have petered out and thus served their purpose I would assume. They're not locked though.


Might as well lock this thread as well at this stage :-P


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We began locking race threads because a few days after events they started to become circular, and people entrenched in their positions were getting increasingly aggressive towards other users. So by leaving threads open, we'd have ended up having to ban people (since mods intervening in these circumstances often didn't work). We felt that since a ban is a last resort, and new threads usually pop up for specific incidents anyway, locking race threads was the sensible move. It also meant if two major incidents happened in a race that those two discussions weren't tripping over each other.

If you're using Abu Dhabi's aftermath to disprove our theories, you've hit on a flaw: the forum always goes quiet once the season is over.

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P-F1 Mod wrote:
We began locking race threads because a few days after events they started to become circular, and people entrenched in their positions were getting increasingly aggressive towards other users. So by leaving threads open, we'd have ended up having to ban people (since mods intervening in these circumstances often didn't work). We felt that since a ban is a last resort, and new threads usually pop up for specific incidents anyway, locking race threads was the sensible move. It also meant if two major incidents happened in a race that those two discussions weren't tripping over each other.

If you're using Abu Dhabi's aftermath to disprove our theories, you've hit on a flaw: the forum always goes quiet once the season is over.


I understand the problems involved in moderating the forum and do sympathise with the time and effort put it. It's just a shame that the good are punished because of the bad. I know I sound like a broken record, but the racing is the main reason we're here, but they're the threads that are locked, regardless of how the conversation is going. I would have no issue with them being locked, possibly temporarily, if the posting becomes offensive.

Locking threads because of some posting is like my school banning all of the children from going out at break-time simply because some of the children in the school are misbehaving during these times.

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 Post subject: Re: FEEDBACK THREAD
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Agree with that AW, what is clear to me is that the mods have a good grip on the sites moral and legal position and have in the past censored and even blocked posters for infractions.

The mods have tools at their disposal to deal with these miscreants, polite warnings, removing posts, blocking, either temporarily or permanently and locking threads. Shouldn't those sanctions be applied in that order with thread locking being the last resort?
Seems to mean that locking is a bit of a nuclear option and other methods might be just as effective.

I do recognise that the mods task is an invidious one and that what I am saying might be more work, however, since the protagonists are limited it might be a lesson that only needs instigate a couple of time to make a point.


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Historically it's been extremely rare that we've intervened once a thread has become circular, and the thread doesn't instantly die. Locking therefore serves effectively the same purpose, except without the risk of our intervention being ignored. I agree that we shouldn't punish the whole forum by preventing discussion about the most recent race, but at the same time there's invariably another thread set up to discuss each of the major incidents anyway, so it's not like there's nowhere else to post. The race threads are traditionally just there for the duration of the race anyway. Their longer term survival is a newer phenomenon.

This sort of policy is always under review anyway, especially as it's only been in place for about a third of a season. The team has been discussing leaving them unlocked again next season. We'll see what happens.

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I don't know if this belongs in feedback or what, but the site today has a giant black bar on the right hand side squeezing everything to the left. Is anyone else having this?

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I don't know if this belongs in feedback or what, but the site today has a giant black bar on the right hand side squeezing everything to the left. Is anyone else having this?

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Yep, I got it.


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Me too.

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Me too when on my laptop (Windows using chrome), but fine on iphone.


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It's been noted by the moderators, and the issue has been passed on to people higher up the food chain.

Thanks to all of you for flagging it up in here, and i'll update you all in here if/when we get a reply.


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Hi mods. Was wondering if a 'sticky' e-sports thread may be of use. I've found a website with a list of upcoming races and thought a single place where people can find what's coming up, may be of use at the moment. Just a thought. No probs if you don't want to.

https://the-race.com/esports/the-complete-motorsport-esports-schedule/

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@AW: thanks, will sort out now.

About the ad banners, I can't even get in touch with the bosses at the moment as it turns out. I'm continuing to try though and will have an answer ASAP

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Can you guys shed any light on why there is such a lack of moderation on the main PF1 site? There are certain posters on there whose sole intention is to inflame & continually bash certain drivers. The level of trolling on the site is quite alarming.


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 Post subject: Re: FEEDBACK THREAD
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Can you guys shed any light on why there is such a lack of moderation on the main PF1 site? There are certain posters on there whose sole intention is to inflame & continually bash certain drivers. The level of trolling on the site is quite alarming.

Basically it boils down to editorial style. We want civilised discussions, they want clickbait.

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Can you guys shed any light on why there is such a lack of moderation on the main PF1 site? There are certain posters on there whose sole intention is to inflame & continually bash certain drivers. The level of trolling on the site is quite alarming.

We're basically a separate entity from the main site. This forum was set up long before comments sections on websites was a common thing and has been moderated by volunteers. The comments sections on the news articles is moderated by different people, I'm guessing by the webmasters or article writers.

As a general rule of thumb though, constructive comments in comments sections on the Internet are as easy to find as a toilet roll in a supermarket during a pandemic. As participating in a forum requires more effort, it reduces the antagnonistic or casual people who like to throw a grenade designed to enrage and provoke people. That's not to say that doesn't happen here - but generally speaking it's not as effective because they are dealing with fans that on average have a higher level of knowledge compared to the average person stumbling on an article or social media post.

I'm pleased to say that we generally have to do very little moderation on this forum, and when we do, it's usually just to instruct people to keep on topic or split / merge topics.


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I've had a response from management about the reformatted forum. Basically, as a lot of you will have guessed, it looks like it was done to prepare for new banner ads. A request to the techies not to mess with the forum has gone in, but the odds of it being fixed quickly are low because they, like everyone else, are running with a skeleton crew.

We've adjusted photo size limits to minimise any rendering problems the new borders might cause, so hopefully that'll keep the forum working while we wait for the changes to be undone.

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There's more news on the way about forum changes, please bear with us while we finalise information and talk to those involved. These seem more positive than the surprises we've had recently.

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There's more news on the way about forum changes, please bear with us while we finalise information and talk to those involved. These seem more positive than the surprises we've had recently.


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Not an important one at all, just something I'd noticed. In the bar at the bottom where it says 'users browsing this forum'. It currently says there are 233 guests! Has this number always been high? I can only remember it being 1/2.


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Might be to do with the incoming upgrade, I don't know for sure though.

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Loving the 33% decrease in forum area thanks to the ad banners.

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This is not ok.

The ads are too intrusive. They push the content we want to see down out of the visible screen.

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A complaint has already gone in but I'm logging another now.

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I've visited the forum quite a lot today due the news and each time I've been logged out despite my browser having my login details saved and usually not having to do so. Not sure if this is linked to new advert software (?) or if I've just been a bit unlucky.


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JN23 wrote:
I've visited the forum quite a lot today due the news and each time I've been logged out despite my browser having my login details saved and usually not having to do so. Not sure if this is linked to new advert software (?) or if I've just been a bit unlucky.


Its looking like the age old issue of forum.planet-f1.com logging different cookies to forum.planetf1.com has finally been 'dealt' with by redirecting one to the other, however this will cause an issue with saved passwords attributed to the former. I can't provide a definitive answer because, basically, I simply don't know for sure, but logging in and saving your login details again is probably the way to go.


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Mod Yellow wrote:
JN23 wrote:
I've visited the forum quite a lot today due the news and each time I've been logged out despite my browser having my login details saved and usually not having to do so. Not sure if this is linked to new advert software (?) or if I've just been a bit unlucky.


Its looking like the age old issue of forum.planet-f1.com logging different cookies to forum.planetf1.com has finally been 'dealt' with by redirecting one to the other, however this will cause an issue with saved passwords attributed to the former. I can't provide a definitive answer because, basically, I simply don't know for sure, but logging in and saving your login details again is probably the way to go.


I do that every time and it keeps asking me for password every time I refresh. Oh well!


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JN23 wrote:
I've visited the forum quite a lot today due the news and each time I've been logged out despite my browser having my login details saved and usually not having to do so. Not sure if this is linked to new advert software (?) or if I've just been a bit unlucky.


Its looking like the age old issue of forum.planet-f1.com logging different cookies to forum.planetf1.com has finally been 'dealt' with by redirecting one to the other, however this will cause an issue with saved passwords attributed to the former. I can't provide a definitive answer because, basically, I simply don't know for sure, but logging in and saving your login details again is probably the way to go.


I do that every time and it keeps asking me for password every time I refresh. Oh well!


Ditto, its each visit for me, was resolved for a time but back now.


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Wow, I think I've found a forum in there somewhere amongst the adverts! :lol:

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Option or Prime wrote:
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JN23 wrote:
I've visited the forum quite a lot today due the news and each time I've been logged out despite my browser having my login details saved and usually not having to do so. Not sure if this is linked to new advert software (?) or if I've just been a bit unlucky.


Its looking like the age old issue of forum.planet-f1.com logging different cookies to forum.planetf1.com has finally been 'dealt' with by redirecting one to the other, however this will cause an issue with saved passwords attributed to the former. I can't provide a definitive answer because, basically, I simply don't know for sure, but logging in and saving your login details again is probably the way to go.


I do that every time and it keeps asking me for password every time I refresh. Oh well!


Ditto, its each visit for me, was resolved for a time but back now.

Same here, I have to login every time I visit the forum.

Don't know if it's more annoying than the ads.

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From a Mod point of view, can I add:

The issue with being logged out after every refresh is affecting me too.
The adverts taking up so much real estate on the screen, and them loading after the forum, thus moving everything down are infuriating. I will not be browsing the forum on my mobile going forward.

These issues in particular are going to affect our ability to properly moderate the forum on race days. I fear it may be practically impossible.


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