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Alienturnedhuman wrote: Wait, Google and Facebook are not the government, they are private companies and their servers are the ones being used to store the videos and their infrastructure and resources used to share the videos. It is entirely up to them what content they want to allow on their platforms. You can't force the Daily Mail to publish an article on how great Jeremy Corbyn is, or Fox News on how Obama wasn't all that bad. If you don't agree with their editorial policy then don't buy the paper, or in the case of YouTube, don't use their service.

Google and Facebook are funded through advertisers and the advertisers pull out when stupid content like this is not clamped down on. It happened before when terrorists were uploading videos and they were automatically getting Mercedes and Dyson adverts on them. We'd expect them to pull down terrorist videos even though that is censorship. Advocating that people destroy 5G towers falls into the same category.

Besides, coronavirus stuff isn't automatically getting pulled, most of it is there it's just demonetised - YouTube has a terms and conditions and they have the right to pull any video they wish, but especially ones that violate their terms of service. And most of these tin foil hat ones or any that make suggestions, overt or implicit, to commit vandalism will definitely be in violation.
Hmmmm, don't Facebook and Google pretty ardently claim not to be publishers in order to avoid defamation law suits?

The basis being they don't have editorial control.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:Britain really is the laughing stock of the world right now. Although the USA is often second...
A few years ago I would have have taken issue with that statement, but alas.... :blush:

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote: Wait, Google and Facebook are not the government, they are private companies and their servers are the ones being used to store the videos and their infrastructure and resources used to share the videos. It is entirely up to them what content they want to allow on their platforms. You can't force the Daily Mail to publish an article on how great Jeremy Corbyn is, or Fox News on how Obama wasn't all that bad. If you don't agree with their editorial policy then don't buy the paper, or in the case of YouTube, don't use their service.

Google and Facebook are funded through advertisers and the advertisers pull out when stupid content like this is not clamped down on. It happened before when terrorists were uploading videos and they were automatically getting Mercedes and Dyson adverts on them. We'd expect them to pull down terrorist videos even though that is censorship. Advocating that people destroy 5G towers falls into the same category.

Besides, coronavirus stuff isn't automatically getting pulled, most of it is there it's just demonetised - YouTube has a terms and conditions and they have the right to pull any video they wish, but especially ones that violate their terms of service. And most of these tin foil hat ones or any that make suggestions, overt or implicit, to commit vandalism will definitely be in violation.
Hmmmm, don't Facebook and Google pretty ardently claim not to be publishers in order to avoid defamation law suits?

The basis being they don't have editorial control.
The word editorial was specific to the newspapers - YouTube doesn't have editorial control over the content when it's uploaded and consequentially anything slanderous/defaming is the responsibility of the video uploader. YouTube has a policy (not an 'editorial' policy) about what content it will allow. If someones doesn't like that policy, they are free to go elsewhere, just as if people don't like the Daily Mail's editorial policy they don't have to buy the paper.

However as private companies YouTube has the right to decide whether it wants to keep content on its servers. Their business model is dependent entirely on advertisers and they therefore clearly have a right to remove anything that harms that.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote: Wait, Google and Facebook are not the government, they are private companies and their servers are the ones being used to store the videos and their infrastructure and resources used to share the videos. It is entirely up to them what content they want to allow on their platforms. You can't force the Daily Mail to publish an article on how great Jeremy Corbyn is, or Fox News on how Obama wasn't all that bad. If you don't agree with their editorial policy then don't buy the paper, or in the case of YouTube, don't use their service.

Google and Facebook are funded through advertisers and the advertisers pull out when stupid content like this is not clamped down on. It happened before when terrorists were uploading videos and they were automatically getting Mercedes and Dyson adverts on them. We'd expect them to pull down terrorist videos even though that is censorship. Advocating that people destroy 5G towers falls into the same category.

Besides, coronavirus stuff isn't automatically getting pulled, most of it is there it's just demonetised - YouTube has a terms and conditions and they have the right to pull any video they wish, but especially ones that violate their terms of service. And most of these tin foil hat ones or any that make suggestions, overt or implicit, to commit vandalism will definitely be in violation.
Hmmmm, don't Facebook and Google pretty ardently claim not to be publishers in order to avoid defamation law suits?

The basis being they don't have editorial control.
The word editorial was specific to the newspapers - YouTube doesn't have editorial control over the content when it's uploaded and consequentially anything slanderous/defaming is the responsibility of the video uploader. YouTube has a policy (not an 'editorial' policy) about what content it will allow. If someones doesn't like that policy, they are free to go elsewhere, just as if people don't like the Daily Mail's editorial policy they don't have to buy the paper.

However as private companies YouTube has the right to decide whether it wants to keep content on its servers. Their business model is dependent entirely on advertisers and they therefore clearly have a right to remove anything that harms that.
Then if that's the case people should have the right to bring legal action against You Tube, Twitter, Google et al for the content they deem acceptable to leave on their servers. As it stands at the moment those organisations cannot be held liable for content on their sites.

The problem here is that they seem to want to have their cake & eat it too. They don't want to be seen as publishers due to the legal ramifications that accompany's the title but want to have control over the content that gets published on their sites.
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Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:
Mark II of the device has reduced oxygen consumption by up to 70% compared to Mark I, and has also now received government approval.
They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
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What impresses me with that article is that they've made the design fully available to anyone. Can't imagine many another companies that would do that and not try to hog production contracts to themselves.
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Trump has suspended payments to the WHO (World Health Organisation), the President of the WHO called Trump racist when he stopped all flights between China and the US, the WHO have basically enabled the spread of the virus all around the world whist they were complementing China in their actions against the virus.

Rumours are also enimating from Australia that the virus may have come from a biological lab in Wuhan, there are two such labs in the city, a virologist got infected by a bat and had to be quarantined for 14 days.

Upon hearing of the spread of the virus in Wuhan one technician voiced concerns it may have come from one of the labs, that person has now gone missing, also it's being said that there were no bats present in the wet market from which the virus supposedly originated despite what was said officially.
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You gonna back any of them claims up?

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pokerman wrote:Trump has suspended payments to the WHO (World Health Organisation), the President of the WHO called Trump racist when he stopped all flights between China and the US, the WHO have basically enabled the spread of the virus all around the world whist they were complementing China in their actions against the virus.

Rumours are also enimating from Australia that the virus may have come from a biological lab in Wuhan, there are two such labs in the city, a virologist got infected by a bat and had to be quarantined for 14 days.

Upon hearing of the spread of the virus in Wuhan one technician voiced concerns it may have come from one of the labs, that person has now gone missing, also it's being said that there were no bats present in the wet market from which the virus supposedly originated despite what was said officially.
Careful now - Trump has said that he is considering rolling back funding, and rolled back from his aggressive stance. He regularly does this, threatens extreme actions to provoke a response. It's happened throughout his presidency and I don't think it's going to change now.

Trump has repeatedly played up the Chinese angle - framing it as 'the Chinese virus' - as a measure to deflect blame from the slow response by the US government. Regardless of whether it is China's fault or not, regardless of whether China is fiddling or out right lying with its numbers is totally irrelevant to poor response by the US authorities. Who is to blame is a completely separate issue to how you deal with it and at the moment dealing with the blame is something that should wait until the aftermath. You first put out the first and then determine whose fault it is.

As for China developing it in labs - I mean you said it from the start "according to rumours" - the whole internet is flooded with rumours as seen by the 5G causes Coronavirus nonsense, and the "Coronavirus was developed in Chinese military lab" is another of these, as debunked by snopes:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chine ... ronavirus/

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Herb wrote:You gonna back any of them claims up?
These are not my claims, this comes from Australia who are all out gunning for China.

Go to 2:00
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pokerman wrote:Trump has suspended payments to the WHO (World Health Organisation), the President of the WHO called Trump racist when he stopped all flights between China and the US, the WHO have basically enabled the spread of the virus all around the world whist they were complementing China in their actions against the virus.

Rumours are also enimating from Australia that the virus may have come from a biological lab in Wuhan, there are two such labs in the city, a virologist got infected by a bat and had to be quarantined for 14 days.

Upon hearing of the spread of the virus in Wuhan one technician voiced concerns it may have come from one of the labs, that person has now gone missing, also it's being said that there were no bats present in the wet market from which the virus supposedly originated despite what was said officially.
Just to address that last point, the virus may have originated in bats but that doesn't mean it had to jump straight from bats to humans. It is understood to have jumped from bats to another animal (believed to be pangolins, which were being sold in the Wuhan wet market) then jumped from there into humans.

As another example, this zoo tiger in New York didn't catch coronavirus from Chinese bats, it was transmitted to it via humans:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52177586

Incidentally that story is a concerning one. If this virus can so easily cross the species barrier, we could end up with real issues if multiple species become infectious carriers.

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Exediron wrote:Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:
Mark II of the device has reduced oxygen consumption by up to 70% compared to Mark I, and has also now received government approval.
They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
It is great to see what the F1 community has been doing to help fight the pandemic. As another example, Ron Dennis has organised free meals for UK health workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52186473


A stark contrast to Premier League football clubs, who have been an utter disgrace.

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j man wrote:
Exediron wrote:Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:
Mark II of the device has reduced oxygen consumption by up to 70% compared to Mark I, and has also now received government approval.
They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
It is great to see what the F1 community has been doing to help fight the pandemic. As another example, Ron Dennis has organised free meals for UK health workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52186473


A stark contrast to Premier League football clubs, who have been an utter disgrace.
They are doing something:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51973512

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pokerman wrote:
Herb wrote:You gonna back any of them claims up?
These are not my claims, this comes from Australia who are all out gunning for China.

Go to 2:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn78Gx8Kwu0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmUxSlOoUE
Those are 2 videos of opinions and speculation. I'm sorry, but if that is what classes as proof, Bigfoot is alive and well in the US according to countless Discovery and Sci-fi 'documentaries'!
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j man wrote:
Exediron wrote:Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:
Mark II of the device has reduced oxygen consumption by up to 70% compared to Mark I, and has also now received government approval.
They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
It is great to see what the F1 community has been doing to help fight the pandemic. As another example, Ron Dennis has organised free meals for UK health workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52186473


A stark contrast to Premier League football clubs, who have been an utter disgrace.
I mean, to be fair to the football clubs, the Formula 1 teams are engineering companies optimised for fast prototyping and evolution of designs. Short of turning up at the hospitals with their football pumps, the Premiership is not really capable of matching them.

Whether or not the criticism of the Football clubs and players is valid or not, it's only making press attention because it's mudslinging by the government to find a scapegoat to deflect from their own mishandling of the crisis, not to mention any close examination of the tax situation of the wealthy footballer would reveal it's the way it is because it is a model the current incumbents of Downing Street favour.

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Siao7 wrote:
j man wrote:
Exediron wrote:Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:
Mark II of the device has reduced oxygen consumption by up to 70% compared to Mark I, and has also now received government approval.
They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
It is great to see what the F1 community has been doing to help fight the pandemic. As another example, Ron Dennis has organised free meals for UK health workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52186473


A stark contrast to Premier League football clubs, who have been an utter disgrace.
They are doing something:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51973512
Other than Chelsea who are providing their hotel to NHS staff and key workers, they really aren't doing any more than the company I work for is doing!

They are probably doing a lot as clubs and on an individual level which wasn't mentioned in that article, but it would be nice to know what they're doing.

(It's a British hotel and restaurant chain I work for, in case anyone was wondering.)
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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
j man wrote:
Exediron wrote:Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:
Mark II of the device has reduced oxygen consumption by up to 70% compared to Mark I, and has also now received government approval.
They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
It is great to see what the F1 community has been doing to help fight the pandemic. As another example, Ron Dennis has organised free meals for UK health workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52186473


A stark contrast to Premier League football clubs, who have been an utter disgrace.
I mean, to be fair to the football clubs, the Formula 1 teams are engineering companies optimised for fast prototyping and evolution of designs. Short of turning up at the hospitals with their football pumps, the Premiership is not really capable of matching them.

Whether or not the criticism of the Football clubs and players is valid or not, it's only making press attention because it's mudslinging by the government to find a scapegoat to deflect from their own mishandling of the crisis, not to mention any close examination of the tax situation of the wealthy footballer would reveal it's the way it is because it is a model the current incumbents of Downing Street favour.
My main objection is to 4 of the 20 clubs using the government's furlough scheme (3 after Liverpool backed out again following the backlash). So pleading poverty to use taxpayers' money to pay their non-playing staff while continuing to pay the players millions, who in turn have not exactly been forthcoming with offering to take a pay cut. I don't think that's mudslinging, I think it's an atrocious use of public money and a government scheme that was designed to support those who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet while the economy is shut down.

Having said that, I'm not aware of any F1 drivers who have taken a pay cut aside from the McLaren pair. Not to say they haven't, just not seen it reported.

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j man wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
j man wrote:
Exediron wrote:Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:
Mark II of the device has reduced oxygen consumption by up to 70% compared to Mark I, and has also now received government approval.
They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
It is great to see what the F1 community has been doing to help fight the pandemic. As another example, Ron Dennis has organised free meals for UK health workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52186473


A stark contrast to Premier League football clubs, who have been an utter disgrace.
I mean, to be fair to the football clubs, the Formula 1 teams are engineering companies optimised for fast prototyping and evolution of designs. Short of turning up at the hospitals with their football pumps, the Premiership is not really capable of matching them.

Whether or not the criticism of the Football clubs and players is valid or not, it's only making press attention because it's mudslinging by the government to find a scapegoat to deflect from their own mishandling of the crisis, not to mention any close examination of the tax situation of the wealthy footballer would reveal it's the way it is because it is a model the current incumbents of Downing Street favour.
My main objection is to 4 of the 20 clubs using the government's furlough scheme (3 after Liverpool backed out again following the backlash). So pleading poverty to use taxpayers' money to pay their non-playing staff while continuing to pay the players millions, who in turn have not exactly been forthcoming with offering to take a pay cut. I don't think that's mudslinging, I think it's an atrocious use of public money and a government scheme that was designed to support those who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet while the economy is shut down.

Having said that, I'm not aware of any F1 drivers who have taken a pay cut aside from the McLaren pair. Not to say they haven't, just not seen it reported.
The players have now released a joint letter setting up a charity for the NHS. There’s a lack of detail on funding/donations at the moment, though a lot of journalists on social media don’t seem concerned by that! Hopefully that information will be forthcoming tomorrow. It’s taken them nearly four weeks but good to eventually see some progress.

To add, players taking a 30% pay cut as the Premier League suggested doesn’t guarantee that money goes anywhere useful. There are plenty of billionaire owners in the premier league, most of which don’t pay UK tax so I am actually glad players have taken this into their own hands.

Racing Point and Williams drivers have taken a pay cut according to BBC.

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pokerman wrote:
Herb wrote:You gonna back any of them claims up?
These are not my claims, this comes from Australia who are all out gunning for China.

Go to 2:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn78Gx8Kwu0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmUxSlOoUE
Poker you've referenced 2 segments from 1 broadcaster that is notably right wing leaning.

I certainly wouldn't say Australia is "all out gunning" for China. There are certainly questions being asked about certain actions the Chinese took in the infancy of this pandemic, most notably regarding initial info released by China & actions of Chinese state influenced organisations globally working under instructions from the Chinese government to quietly procure as much medication, masks, sanitizers etc as possible & shipping them back to China whilst at the same time playing down the effects of the virus to the world.

I think once the dust settles world governments have a right to & should be asking China the difficult questions that need to be asked & if it is indeed found that China deliberately suppressed releasing information that may have slowed the spread of the virus globally, or deliberately & knowingly released erroneous information that contributed to the spread, then they should be held accountable to some degree. I find it really interesting that the media are constantly critizing certain governments as being slow to respond or not doing enough or not listening to the right people for the high impact of the virus within their countries but as soon as someone attempts to turn the spotlight to the role Chinese government played in the spread of the virus they are, somewhat predictably, immediately branded racist or attempting to deflect the issue.

Australia was close to being the first, if not the first country to place entry restrictions on travelers from China. This was at the time openly criticized by both China & the WHO as an over-reaction, even while, at the very same time, there was graphic footage coming out of China of complete cities in lockdown, people being forcibly locked in houses, streets being fumigated & hospitals being constructed in days. Australia was very quick to introduce social distancing & quarantine laws while the WHO was indicating that these actions were not only unnecessary but possibly counter productive in controlling the spread. Thankfully as a result of our quick action & ignoring the advise coming out of China & the WHO, it looks like, at the moment anyway, that Australia, along with NZ, are one of the few western countries to manage to avoid the sever ravages of the virus.

On a side note, just a question regarding the link some are making between the virus & 5G.

Now i'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist , apart JFK's assassination & certain aspects of 9/11, oh yeah, and Epstein didn't kill himself, but this question is genuine.

Is there anyone on this forum who has actually independently looked into the theory of the 5G, virus link (60Ghz interaction with oxygen molecules or whatever it is), and can 100% debunk it or are those who deny the theory relying on personal intuition & mass media? For my part, i'd say i'm 95% against the conspiracy theory but i'll admit i know very little about 5G and how certain frequency's affect the human body & I long since stopped believing pretty much anything the mass media says.
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Seriously there is no basis for this. In order to affect a change in molecular structure the radiation has to have sufficent energy to break chemical bonds. 5G signals can do this, neither can they penetrate the skin to allow a virus to pass into the body. They are too weak.

There is a more complete explanation here 5G radiation and coronavirus

Before you ask, I have a PhD in organic chemistry and studied synthesising anti cancer drugs.

The only way your phone can give you coronavirus is if an infected person has spoken into the phone and left droplets of water containing the virus on it. When you use the same phone you could breath those in.

Clean it with washing up liquid on a cloth or tissue, then remove that soap film with a clean damp tissue till the soap is gone. If you have it misting with isopropyl alcohol works well and simply evaporates.

Summary: 5G and coronavirus are not linked in any way.

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minchy wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
j man wrote:
Exediron wrote:Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:
Mark II of the device has reduced oxygen consumption by up to 70% compared to Mark I, and has also now received government approval.
They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
It is great to see what the F1 community has been doing to help fight the pandemic. As another example, Ron Dennis has organised free meals for UK health workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52186473


A stark contrast to Premier League football clubs, who have been an utter disgrace.
They are doing something:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51973512
Other than Chelsea who are providing their hotel to NHS staff and key workers, they really aren't doing any more than the company I work for is doing!

They are probably doing a lot as clubs and on an individual level which wasn't mentioned in that article, but it would be nice to know what they're doing.

(It's a British hotel and restaurant chain I work for, in case anyone was wondering.)
I didn't claim that they are saving the world, certainly not more than any normal business would; just that it's not that they are sitting on their pickles. Some are providing money, some are providing food relief, the Chelsea thing, etc. As Alien mentioned they don't really have the technical skills/workshops to manufacture ventilators, and short of the players starting sewing face masks, I can't see how much they can help. But they are doing something

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j man wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
j man wrote:
Exediron wrote:Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:
Mark II of the device has reduced oxygen consumption by up to 70% compared to Mark I, and has also now received government approval.
They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
It is great to see what the F1 community has been doing to help fight the pandemic. As another example, Ron Dennis has organised free meals for UK health workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52186473


A stark contrast to Premier League football clubs, who have been an utter disgrace.
I mean, to be fair to the football clubs, the Formula 1 teams are engineering companies optimised for fast prototyping and evolution of designs. Short of turning up at the hospitals with their football pumps, the Premiership is not really capable of matching them.

Whether or not the criticism of the Football clubs and players is valid or not, it's only making press attention because it's mudslinging by the government to find a scapegoat to deflect from their own mishandling of the crisis, not to mention any close examination of the tax situation of the wealthy footballer would reveal it's the way it is because it is a model the current incumbents of Downing Street favour.
My main objection is to 4 of the 20 clubs using the government's furlough scheme (3 after Liverpool backed out again following the backlash). So pleading poverty to use taxpayers' money to pay their non-playing staff while continuing to pay the players millions, who in turn have not exactly been forthcoming with offering to take a pay cut. I don't think that's mudslinging, I think it's an atrocious use of public money and a government scheme that was designed to support those who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet while the economy is shut down.

Having said that, I'm not aware of any F1 drivers who have taken a pay cut aside from the McLaren pair. Not to say they haven't, just not seen it reported.
If that is true, then it is ridiculous. I think I did read that Manchester United. players suggested to take a cut of 30% or something like that.

Edit - Ok, I just read below that this is a Premiership wide proposal

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Siao7 wrote:
j man wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
j man wrote:
Exediron wrote:Mercedes has switched over their entire engine facility to manufacturing their modified CPAP devices for now: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14893 ... id19-fight

What I found most impressive from the article was this bit:


They only made the first one less than a month ago. That's a nice illustration of what the F1 design cycle can do when applied to a real-world problem! Normally it would take years for a manufacturer to put such a significant upgrade into production.
It is great to see what the F1 community has been doing to help fight the pandemic. As another example, Ron Dennis has organised free meals for UK health workers:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52186473


A stark contrast to Premier League football clubs, who have been an utter disgrace.
I mean, to be fair to the football clubs, the Formula 1 teams are engineering companies optimised for fast prototyping and evolution of designs. Short of turning up at the hospitals with their football pumps, the Premiership is not really capable of matching them.

Whether or not the criticism of the Football clubs and players is valid or not, it's only making press attention because it's mudslinging by the government to find a scapegoat to deflect from their own mishandling of the crisis, not to mention any close examination of the tax situation of the wealthy footballer would reveal it's the way it is because it is a model the current incumbents of Downing Street favour.
My main objection is to 4 of the 20 clubs using the government's furlough scheme (3 after Liverpool backed out again following the backlash). So pleading poverty to use taxpayers' money to pay their non-playing staff while continuing to pay the players millions, who in turn have not exactly been forthcoming with offering to take a pay cut. I don't think that's mudslinging, I think it's an atrocious use of public money and a government scheme that was designed to support those who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet while the economy is shut down.

Having said that, I'm not aware of any F1 drivers who have taken a pay cut aside from the McLaren pair. Not to say they haven't, just not seen it reported.
If that is true, then it is ridiculous. I think I did read that Manchester United. players suggested to take a cut of 30% or something like that.

Edit - Ok, I just read below that this is a Premiership wide proposal
Hamilton, Vettel and the Racing Point drivers are also taking paycuts.

Regarding the issue of footballer salaries vs grounds staff - I think it's a lot more complicated than simple arithmetic. The cash flow for the
grounds staff will come from the revenue from tickets sales and facilities use (which will now be basically zero) whereas the revenue for the players will come from sponsorship - and sponsorship deals are tied up with a lot of red tape and contracts, it's not like all the money will go into one pot that can be redirected to whoever the club wants it to.

Also the players themselves won't get paid in the same way that a regular employee does - they will have companies set up to manage their finances and while I am sure that most of the clubs and most of the players want to help out financially it's unfortunately a machine will a lot of inertia to make the changes that are needed. It's easy to paint it as a lot of rich entitled jerks hoarding their wealth in their ivory towers while the masses burn below them, but when you have are managing an income of millions, it's not just going straight into a current account, it will be tied up in all sorts of financial endeavours that are not as easy to stop or suspend as a Netflix subscription or even a gym membership.

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Jezza13 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Herb wrote:You gonna back any of them claims up?
These are not my claims, this comes from Australia who are all out gunning for China.

Go to 2:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn78Gx8Kwu0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmUxSlOoUE
Poker you've referenced 2 segments from 1 broadcaster that is notably right wing leaning.

I certainly wouldn't say Australia is "all out gunning" for China. There are certainly questions being asked about certain actions the Chinese took in the infancy of this pandemic, most notably regarding initial info released by China & actions of Chinese state influenced organisations globally working under instructions from the Chinese government to quietly procure as much medication, masks, sanitizers etc as possible & shipping them back to China whilst at the same time playing down the effects of the virus to the world.

I think once the dust settles world governments have a right to & should be asking China the difficult questions that need to be asked & if it is indeed found that China deliberately suppressed releasing information that may have slowed the spread of the virus globally, or deliberately & knowingly released erroneous information that contributed to the spread, then they should be held accountable to some degree. I find it really interesting that the media are constantly critizing certain governments as being slow to respond or not doing enough or not listening to the right people for the high impact of the virus within their countries but as soon as someone attempts to turn the spotlight to the role Chinese government played in the spread of the virus they are, somewhat predictably, immediately branded racist or attempting to deflect the issue.
While the media may be criticizing rather their own governments, demanding a better response from them, this one is clearly the case of a geopolitical maneuvering against China. While you are objecting such to be taking place, you are at the same time promoting this concept of world governments ganging up to "ask difficult questions" so to supposedly find out if China deliberately and knowingly committed this alleged crime against humanity. Presuming that China will submit itself to such (sure they will) even then, what then? Does it end there? You do not start a criminal investigation on someone without any concept of what to do after.

This pandemic is but an opportunity to clamp down on China that has become the serious economical, technological, financial and more and more the military rival and threat to the US. The cold war is virtually already on, the trade war started by Trump (and presently paused in the election year) is but a part of it. And Australia is but a dancing puddle on the US' leash.

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Option or Prime wrote:Seriously there is no basis for this. In order to affect a change in molecular structure the radiation has to have sufficent energy to break chemical bonds. 5G signals can do this, neither can they penetrate the skin to allow a virus to pass into the body. They are too weak.

There is a more complete explanation here 5G radiation and coronavirus

Before you ask, I have a PhD in organic chemistry and studied synthesising anti cancer drugs.

The only way your phone can give you coronavirus is if an infected person has spoken into the phone and left droplets of water containing the virus on it. When you use the same phone you could breath those in.

Clean it with washing up liquid on a cloth or tissue, then remove that soap film with a clean damp tissue till the soap is gone. If you have it misting with isopropyl alcohol works well and simply evaporates.

Summary: 5G and coronavirus are not linked in any way.
Thanks O & P. I'll read the article & do a bit of reading over the long weekend.

Incidentally, just a quick message to all you guys in Europe, the UK & US. While at the moment I don't think i've ever been so thankful to live where I live, I just want to say my thoughts are with all you guy's living through the horror this virus has brought. Moving into the Easter weekend, please isolate as much as possible & be vigilant when sanitizing. Take care ya'll. Stay strong, stay stoic & most of all, stay inside.
Only took 7 yrs, 5 mths & 21 days.

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I think that many people are too juiced up on American Hollywood thrillers and/or Doctor Who with the need to believe that COVID-19 was developed in a secret military Chinese research base, or that 5G is part of a government effort to have a countdown to turn on a death ray that will kill all the poor people.

Occam's Razor applies, and it's far more likely it's simply a result of factory farming conditions:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... oronavirus

The way that we produce food and/or the increased human density of our cities has been responsible for nearly every pandemic in history, from the Black Death to Small Pox to the Spanish Flu, so the most likely source for the current Coronavirus is 'just like the others'.

The idea of China developing a weaponised virus makes an exciting idea for a movie, or the British Government developing a poor people death ray makes an adequate episode of Doctor Who - but fail on the motive front. Both governments rely on the populations the virus is killing for their economies. The last thing China needs is a West in extreme recession, because that's where they export everything they make, and the British Government needs all those poor people to replace the Eastern Europeans they are sending home in January 2021.

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Prema wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Herb wrote:You gonna back any of them claims up?
These are not my claims, this comes from Australia who are all out gunning for China.

Go to 2:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn78Gx8Kwu0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmUxSlOoUE
Poker you've referenced 2 segments from 1 broadcaster that is notably right wing leaning.

I certainly wouldn't say Australia is "all out gunning" for China. There are certainly questions being asked about certain actions the Chinese took in the infancy of this pandemic, most notably regarding initial info released by China & actions of Chinese state influenced organisations globally working under instructions from the Chinese government to quietly procure as much medication, masks, sanitizers etc as possible & shipping them back to China whilst at the same time playing down the effects of the virus to the world.

I think once the dust settles world governments have a right to & should be asking China the difficult questions that need to be asked & if it is indeed found that China deliberately suppressed releasing information that may have slowed the spread of the virus globally, or deliberately & knowingly released erroneous information that contributed to the spread, then they should be held accountable to some degree. I find it really interesting that the media are constantly critizing certain governments as being slow to respond or not doing enough or not listening to the right people for the high impact of the virus within their countries but as soon as someone attempts to turn the spotlight to the role Chinese government played in the spread of the virus they are, somewhat predictably, immediately branded racist or attempting to deflect the issue.
While the media may be criticizing rather their own governments, demanding a better response from them, this one is clearly the case of a geopolitical maneuvering against China. While you are objecting such to be taking place, you are at the same time promoting this concept of world governments ganging up to "ask difficult questions" so to supposedly find out if China deliberately and knowingly committed this alleged crime against humanity. Presuming that China will submit itself to such (sure they will) even then, what then? Does it end there? You do not start a criminal investigation on someone without any concept of what to do after.

This pandemic is but an opportunity to clamp down on China that has become the serious economical, technological, financial and more and more the military rival and threat to the US. The cold war is virtually already on, the trade war started by Trump (and presently paused in the election year) is but a part of it. And Australia is but a dancing puddle on the US' leash.
Do you not think China owe's the world at least some sort of explanation as to situation surrounding the outbreak & reporting of the virus? After all, it's only caused, as of today, the infection of just over 1.5m people, the deaths of 88,500 people, the loss of millions of jobs, the absolute tanking of the global economy causing governments to accrue massive debts attempting to keep their economies afloat that down the track will need to be repaid, which in itself could further hardship. The effects of this pandemic could well be felt for generations to come & yet, if I read your post correctly Prema, we should all just get over it & move on without not even a hint of a friendly inquiry to the source of the outbreak?

After all this chaos & heartbreak, is it not unreasonable for people to at least ask a few questions to China? Before you label me with the racist card, i'd be saying the exact same thing no matter what country the outbreak originated in, yes even Australia.

The reason questions should be asked is simply to establish the facts & then putting in place international agreements & protocols on reporting & responses so something like this is avoided in the future. I fully support hard questions being asked to Trump, Johnson or any other national leader & i've not said otherwise. My issue is that as soon as someone starts looking for the root cause of how this virus started & spread so rapidly they have a label planted on them.

We are in unprecedented times as I think this'd be almost the first time a global event has directly affected almost every human on the face of the earth. I can think of no other event that has had the global impact this virus has, even both world wars. Questions need to be asked, not only at a national, regional & local level, but also at an international level. Obviously not now, but eventually they will need to be asked because if these questions are not asked, we will condemn ourselves to living this event again.

As for Australia being the poodle on the US leash, at least we can say that every now & then we get the most powerful country on earth to bend over & pick up our sh1t. That's something every Australian is real proud of my friend.
Only took 7 yrs, 5 mths & 21 days.

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pokerman wrote:
Herb wrote:You gonna back any of them claims up?
These are not my claims, this comes from Australia who are all out gunning for China.

Go to 2:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn78Gx8Kwu0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmUxSlOoUE
If you reproduce claims as if they are facts without any further commentary, then people are going to naturally assume you believe them (especially without posting your sources).

Have you based your comments on just the 2nd video? Hardly anything you have said is in the first one, and I'm not putting myself through a 25 minutes Sky News propaganda piece. For starters, your first comment is flat out wrong. The WHO has not yet had it's funding stopped by the US.

Nobody thinks China are completely innocent here. They are undoubtedly fudging their numbers, but the likes of Trump are hardly innocent either - look at his response, he called it a hoax in the early days. Check out an (obviously curated) timeline of his comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWupoHcoLT4

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Jezza13 wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:Seriously there is no basis for this. In order to affect a change in molecular structure the radiation has to have sufficent energy to break chemical bonds. 5G signals can do this, neither can they penetrate the skin to allow a virus to pass into the body. They are too weak.

There is a more complete explanation here 5G radiation and coronavirus

Before you ask, I have a PhD in organic chemistry and studied synthesising anti cancer drugs.

The only way your phone can give you coronavirus is if an infected person has spoken into the phone and left droplets of water containing the virus on it. When you use the same phone you could breath those in.

Clean it with washing up liquid on a cloth or tissue, then remove that soap film with a clean damp tissue till the soap is gone. If you have it misting with isopropyl alcohol works well and simply evaporates.

Summary: 5G and coronavirus are not linked in any way.
Thanks O & P. I'll read the article & do a bit of reading over the long weekend.

Incidentally, just a quick message to all you guys in Europe, the UK & US. While at the moment I don't think i've ever been so thankful to live where I live, I just want to say my thoughts are with all you guy's living through the horror this virus has brought. Moving into the Easter weekend, please isolate as much as possible & be vigilant when sanitizing. Take care ya'll. Stay strong, stay stoic & most of all, stay inside.
Still in Europe mate!

Apart from joking, thank you, I think everyone will echo these thoughts, take care and don't be selfish, it is really tempting to go out these days.

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Siao7 wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:Seriously there is no basis for this. In order to affect a change in molecular structure the radiation has to have sufficent energy to break chemical bonds. 5G signals can do this, neither can they penetrate the skin to allow a virus to pass into the body. They are too weak.

There is a more complete explanation here 5G radiation and coronavirus

Before you ask, I have a PhD in organic chemistry and studied synthesising anti cancer drugs.

The only way your phone can give you coronavirus is if an infected person has spoken into the phone and left droplets of water containing the virus on it. When you use the same phone you could breath those in.

Clean it with washing up liquid on a cloth or tissue, then remove that soap film with a clean damp tissue till the soap is gone. If you have it misting with isopropyl alcohol works well and simply evaporates.

Summary: 5G and coronavirus are not linked in any way.
Thanks O & P. I'll read the article & do a bit of reading over the long weekend.

Incidentally, just a quick message to all you guys in Europe, the UK & US. While at the moment I don't think i've ever been so thankful to live where I live, I just want to say my thoughts are with all you guy's living through the horror this virus has brought. Moving into the Easter weekend, please isolate as much as possible & be vigilant when sanitizing. Take care ya'll. Stay strong, stay stoic & most of all, stay inside.
Still in Europe mate!

Apart from joking, thank you, I think everyone will echo these thoughts, take care and don't be selfish, it is really tempting to go out these days.
Yes, echoed here, hope you all manage to stay safe!

I am beginning to believe that our household has had the virus now after seeing a video posted up by a doctor in the UK whose household all tested positive relatively early on when the UK were testing more people with the symptoms.

Her family all had mild symptoms. Bad headache, fever (although two of them didn't get a fever), cough (two had dry coughs, two had more wet coughs and not THAT persistent), awful sore throat and a slight shortness of breath a bit like being at a high altitude.

Those symptoms are almost exactly what my 20yo step-son had first (so we all self isolated for the seven days the UK government were recommending at the time (since increased to 14 I know)), then my wife had the same a couple of days later. I then developed the symptoms six days later, followed by my 18yo step-daughter.

We're all through it now, out of self-isolation and both myself and my wife carried on working (from home) throughout our illness. Put it this way, we would have probably carried on going to work if we hadn't been in the middle of a pandemic - which was exactly what the doctor said in her video, that under normal circumstances they would have just carried on despite feeling quite rough.

There is only one person in our household that didn't display symptoms, which is my 18yo daughter that also lives with us. She suffers from brittle asthma so as soon as the first person had symptoms we made sure she was kept as far away as poss, using the kitchen on her own etc and obviously cleaning everything meticulously.

Step-son and step-daughter are both classed as "key workers" and still have to work. One works in retail for The Range and because they have an Iceland Frozen Foods in-store the shop remains open. The other works for a milk distribution depot so they are open and still working.

Myself and wife are also classed as key workers but can work from home so have been doing that since well before the lockdown anyway because we were self isolating due to Cameron (step-son) showing symptoms.

Not sure what I'm trying to say really with all of this and apologies if I've waffled on a lot - I think I'm missing talking to different people maybe! :lol: But I guess the symptoms of this virus can be so varied for different people and we'll never truly know who's actually had it until the antibody test is offered to the whole population, if that ever happens.

If we HAVE all had it in our house, then I am very thankful that we got off incredibly lightly......

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That's good to hear SteveW, that you are all ok. And yeah it is nice to talk to other people!

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Jezza13 wrote:
Prema wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Herb wrote:You gonna back any of them claims up?
These are not my claims, this comes from Australia who are all out gunning for China.

Go to 2:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn78Gx8Kwu0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmUxSlOoUE
Poker you've referenced 2 segments from 1 broadcaster that is notably right wing leaning.

I certainly wouldn't say Australia is "all out gunning" for China. There are certainly questions being asked about certain actions the Chinese took in the infancy of this pandemic, most notably regarding initial info released by China & actions of Chinese state influenced organisations globally working under instructions from the Chinese government to quietly procure as much medication, masks, sanitizers etc as possible & shipping them back to China whilst at the same time playing down the effects of the virus to the world.

I think once the dust settles world governments have a right to & should be asking China the difficult questions that need to be asked & if it is indeed found that China deliberately suppressed releasing information that may have slowed the spread of the virus globally, or deliberately & knowingly released erroneous information that contributed to the spread, then they should be held accountable to some degree. I find it really interesting that the media are constantly critizing certain governments as being slow to respond or not doing enough or not listening to the right people for the high impact of the virus within their countries but as soon as someone attempts to turn the spotlight to the role Chinese government played in the spread of the virus they are, somewhat predictably, immediately branded racist or attempting to deflect the issue.
While the media may be criticizing rather their own governments, demanding a better response from them, this one is clearly the case of a geopolitical maneuvering against China. While you are objecting such to be taking place, you are at the same time promoting this concept of world governments ganging up to "ask difficult questions" so to supposedly find out if China deliberately and knowingly committed this alleged crime against humanity. Presuming that China will submit itself to such (sure they will) even then, what then? Does it end there? You do not start a criminal investigation on someone without any concept of what to do after.

This pandemic is but an opportunity to clamp down on China that has become the serious economical, technological, financial and more and more the military rival and threat to the US. The cold war is virtually already on, the trade war started by Trump (and presently paused in the election year) is but a part of it. And Australia is but a dancing puddle on the US' leash.
Do you not think China owe's the world at least some sort of explanation as to situation surrounding the outbreak & reporting of the virus? After all, it's only caused, as of today, the infection of just over 1.5m people, the deaths of 88,500 people, the loss of millions of jobs, the absolute tanking of the global economy causing governments to accrue massive debts attempting to keep their economies afloat that down the track will need to be repaid, which in itself could further hardship. The effects of this pandemic could well be felt for generations to come & yet, if I read your post correctly Prema, we should all just get over it & move on without not even a hint of a friendly inquiry to the source of the outbreak?

After all this chaos & heartbreak, is it not unreasonable for people to at least ask a few questions to China? Before you label me with the racist card, i'd be saying the exact same thing no matter what country the outbreak originated in, yes even Australia.

The reason questions should be asked is simply to establish the facts & then putting in place international agreements & protocols on reporting & responses so something like this is avoided in the future. I fully support hard questions being asked to Trump, Johnson or any other national leader & i've not said otherwise. My issue is that as soon as someone starts looking for the root cause of how this virus started & spread so rapidly they have a label planted on them.

We are in unprecedented times as I think this'd be almost the first time a global event has directly affected almost every human on the face of the earth. I can think of no other event that has had the global impact this virus has, even both world wars. Questions need to be asked, not only at a national, regional & local level, but also at an international level. Obviously not now, but eventually they will need to be asked because if these questions are not asked, we will condemn ourselves to living this event again.

As for Australia being the poodle on the US leash, at least we can say that every now & then we get the most powerful country on earth to bend over & pick up our sh1t. That's something every Australian is real proud of my friend.
I don't know why are you puling out this "racist"victim card, I have nothing even remotely indicated into that direction.
I just happened not see that any friendly inquiry would be taking place, nor some situation of the world having a proactive dialogue with China in order to reach the mutual understanding and learn the lesson for the future. It all boils down to allocating the blame and hanging the culprit. Virtually, you are asking the Chinese government to put their heads into the noose and trust Trump won't pull...

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SteveW wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:Seriously there is no basis for this. In order to affect a change in molecular structure the radiation has to have sufficent energy to break chemical bonds. 5G signals can do this, neither can they penetrate the skin to allow a virus to pass into the body. They are too weak.

There is a more complete explanation here 5G radiation and coronavirus

Before you ask, I have a PhD in organic chemistry and studied synthesising anti cancer drugs.

The only way your phone can give you coronavirus is if an infected person has spoken into the phone and left droplets of water containing the virus on it. When you use the same phone you could breath those in.

Clean it with washing up liquid on a cloth or tissue, then remove that soap film with a clean damp tissue till the soap is gone. If you have it misting with isopropyl alcohol works well and simply evaporates.

Summary: 5G and coronavirus are not linked in any way.
Thanks O & P. I'll read the article & do a bit of reading over the long weekend.

Incidentally, just a quick message to all you guys in Europe, the UK & US. While at the moment I don't think i've ever been so thankful to live where I live, I just want to say my thoughts are with all you guy's living through the horror this virus has brought. Moving into the Easter weekend, please isolate as much as possible & be vigilant when sanitizing. Take care ya'll. Stay strong, stay stoic & most of all, stay inside.
Still in Europe mate!

Apart from joking, thank you, I think everyone will echo these thoughts, take care and don't be selfish, it is really tempting to go out these days.
Yes, echoed here, hope you all manage to stay safe!

I am beginning to believe that our household has had the virus now after seeing a video posted up by a doctor in the UK whose household all tested positive relatively early on when the UK were testing more people with the symptoms.

Her family all had mild symptoms. Bad headache, fever (although two of them didn't get a fever), cough (two had dry coughs, two had more wet coughs and not THAT persistent), awful sore throat and a slight shortness of breath a bit like being at a high altitude.

Those symptoms are almost exactly what my 20yo step-son had first (so we all self isolated for the seven days the UK government were recommending at the time (since increased to 14 I know)), then my wife had the same a couple of days later. I then developed the symptoms six days later, followed by my 18yo step-daughter.

We're all through it now, out of self-isolation and both myself and my wife carried on working (from home) throughout our illness. Put it this way, we would have probably carried on going to work if we hadn't been in the middle of a pandemic - which was exactly what the doctor said in her video, that under normal circumstances they would have just carried on despite feeling quite rough.

There is only one person in our household that didn't display symptoms, which is my 18yo daughter that also lives with us. She suffers from brittle asthma so as soon as the first person had symptoms we made sure she was kept as far away as poss, using the kitchen on her own etc and obviously cleaning everything meticulously.

Step-son and step-daughter are both classed as "key workers" and still have to work. One works in retail for The Range and because they have an Iceland Frozen Foods in-store the shop remains open. The other works for a milk distribution depot so they are open and still working.

Myself and wife are also classed as key workers but can work from home so have been doing that since well before the lockdown anyway because we were self isolating due to Cameron (step-son) showing symptoms.

Not sure what I'm trying to say really with all of this and apologies if I've waffled on a lot - I think I'm missing talking to different people maybe! :lol: But I guess the symptoms of this virus can be so varied for different people and we'll never truly know who's actually had it until the antibody test is offered to the whole population, if that ever happens.

If we HAVE all had it in our house, then I am very thankful that we got off incredibly lightly......
I read all that, no need to apologise for waffling!

I'm an at risk person as I'm a smoking asthmatic (No need to critise me, I know how dumb I am!). My ex works in a carehome, which has had 4 verified cases now and also happens to be where the man who was unfortunately the first UK death lived. As such, I haven't seen been able to see my daughter for a month now (It really should have been longer than that, but the carehome management kept the reason for the death fully under wraps so not even the staff knew about it until a few weeks after it happened.) to reduce any risk myself or my elderly parents, who I also haven't seen for 3 weeks.

On the plus side, my daughter is 11 and able to Skype me whenever she wants, so we're playing tig, hide and seek and other random games on her animal crossing island! And my ex's family and I are also showing no symptoms as yet, I'm just worried how long it could be before I can see her again as I shouldn't be in contact with my ex's household until there are better controls and treatments in place. She lives with her parents and our daughter, so I'm also worried about everyone she lives with but there is not a lot I can do, so I'm just trying not to think about it too much.

I other news, I've almost finished my first toilet roll of the lockdown, so only 4 more of my stash to go!!!! Admittedly I'm living by myself, but only 1 roll in 2.5 weeks, did people really think they'd get through 50 rolls or more before all the new rules were laxed?
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Jezza13 wrote: if I read your post correctly Prema, we should all just get over it & move on without not even a hint of a friendly inquiry to the source of the outbreak?
As far as that one. The lessons have been already learnt, and are being learnt. Chinese government is providing, and will provide that much information and cooperation as they decide, depending on how that might (or rather might not) hurt them. Surely the friendly questions can be asked.. if they are friendly and scientific ones.

Otherwise, I do not see that China owes anything particularly to the world. It was the virus that hit them in the first place, and they dealt with it the way they did, while the era of globalism did the rest.
Throughout the history, the West has been spreading viruses and nasty diseases to the rest of the world that was there but to be conquered, decimating and even annihilating entire indigenous populations. Particularly the current nations of the US and Australia, apparently being the loudest about China, had been literally founded on such genocides. And China, they had suffer their fair share of similar destruction, some even being deliberately induced by the imperial powers of the West.
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Alienturnedhuman wrote:I think that many people are too juiced up on American Hollywood thrillers and/or Doctor Who with the need to believe that COVID-19 was developed in a secret military Chinese research base, or that 5G is part of a government effort to have a countdown to turn on a death ray that will kill all the poor people.

Occam's Razor applies, and it's far more likely it's simply a result of factory farming conditions:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... oronavirus

The way that we produce food and/or the increased human density of our cities has been responsible for nearly every pandemic in history, from the Black Death to Small Pox to the Spanish Flu, so the most likely source for the current Coronavirus is 'just like the others'.

The idea of China developing a weaponised virus makes an exciting idea for a movie, or the British Government developing a poor people death ray makes an adequate episode of Doctor Who - but fail on the motive front. Both governments rely on the populations the virus is killing for their economies. The last thing China needs is a West in extreme recession, because that's where they export everything they make, and the British Government needs all those poor people to replace the Eastern Europeans they are sending home in January 2021.
I don't believe anyone has said that this is a bio weapon developed by China, in respect to the labs in Wuhan it was merely said that the virologists were studying bat viruses in respect to probably finding vaccines.
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minchy wrote: I other news, I've almost finished my first toilet roll of the lockdown, so only 4 more of my stash to go!!!! Admittedly I'm living by myself, but only 1 roll in 2.5 weeks, did people really think they'd get through 50 rolls or more before all the new rules were laxed?
We are two and got over 3 rolls or so within the last two weeks. People are just dumb for the toilet roll situation, especially the ones having proper fisticuffs over it. But equally, I bet a lot of people went out to stockpile because the first wave (the "silly ones") started stockpiling, so they had to go and get some before it ran out from the shelves.

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Siao7 wrote:That's good to hear SteveW, that you are all ok. And yeah it is nice to talk to other people!
I didn't realise just how much I look forward to speaking to people at work until now!

Don't get me wrong, myself and my wife are both sat at opposite ends of the dining table working, and we're getting along just fine - not a single cross word in nearly 5 weeks of doing this now. It's just I guess that humans generally need more interaction with others of our species than we think? I get that a lot of people are happy to live on their own and that's fine, and I'm sure I would be happy living on my own if I was in that situation. But I don't think i could handle being a hermit!
minchy wrote:I read all that, no need to apologise for waffling!

I'm an at risk person as I'm a smoking asthmatic (No need to critise me, I know how dumb I am!). My ex works in a carehome, which has had 4 verified cases now and also happens to be where the man who was unfortunately the first UK death lived. As such, I haven't seen been able to see my daughter for a month now (It really should have been longer than that, but the carehome management kept the reason for the death fully under wraps so not even the staff knew about it until a few weeks after it happened.) to reduce any risk myself or my elderly parents, who I also haven't seen for 3 weeks.

On the plus side, my daughter is 11 and able to Skype me whenever she wants, so we're playing tig, hide and seek and other random games on her animal crossing island! And my ex's family and I are also showing no symptoms as yet, I'm just worried how long it could be before I can see her again as I shouldn't be in contact with my ex's household until there are better controls and treatments in place. She lives with her parents and our daughter, so I'm also worried about everyone she lives with but there is not a lot I can do, so I'm just trying not to think about it too much.

I other news, I've almost finished my first toilet roll of the lockdown, so only 4 more of my stash to go!!!! Admittedly I'm living by myself, but only 1 roll in 2.5 weeks, did people really think they'd get through 50 rolls or more before all the new rules were laxed?
The toilet roll thing has baffled me from the start. Long life foods I kinda get, but toilet roll????

As for the rest of your situation, at least you're being sensible about it and doing the right thing. Your efforts will pay off I'm sure and keep you all safe. With technology as it is these days there's really no excuse for not social distancing etc and staying at home. 30 or 40 years ago if this happened it would have been so much harder to handle!

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Herb wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Herb wrote:You gonna back any of them claims up?
These are not my claims, this comes from Australia who are all out gunning for China.

Go to 2:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn78Gx8Kwu0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmUxSlOoUE
If you reproduce claims as if they are facts without any further commentary, then people are going to naturally assume you believe them (especially without posting your sources).

Have you based your comments on just the 2nd video? Hardly anything you have said is in the first one, and I'm not putting myself through a 25 minutes Sky News propaganda piece. For starters, your first comment is flat out wrong. The WHO has not yet had it's funding stopped by the US.

Nobody thinks China are completely innocent here. They are undoubtedly fudging their numbers, but the likes of Trump are hardly innocent either - look at his response, he called it a hoax in the early days. Check out an (obviously curated) timeline of his comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWupoHcoLT4
I think when you're living in fear of your life then I'm happy to see people asking the relevant questions about China, we seem to be in agreement that China have not been truthful from the beginning and even to this day.

Regarding WHO they are presently telling people not to wear masks, I've just seen a diagram about how the virus is spread if someone was to cough or sneeze in a supermarket going from one aisle to another one, the masks are not there just to try and protect yourself but to protect other people if you happen to have the virus, I'm waiting for the day of reckoning.
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