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Looking like Euro 2020 will be cancelled, so that's June and July - not looking good :?


It doesn’t look good but I also think this is to buy domestic leagues time to finish their seasons. It’s just common sense at this point to make it Euro 2021. It could of course be the case we still aren’t playing football/racing cars come June/July but I think at this point in time it’s just as much to help domestic associations finish their seasons.

Euro 2020 is also a cross continent competition requiring fans to be constantly moving between countries, rather than being held in one, which would make it easier to manage / predict.


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Looking like Euro 2020 will be cancelled, so that's June and July - not looking good :?

I'm guessing it's being cancelled because of the back log of football games that need to be played not that no football will be played in those months as such?

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Looking like Euro 2020 will be cancelled, so that's June and July - not looking good :?


It doesn’t look good but I also think this is to buy domestic leagues time to finish their seasons. It’s just common sense at this point to make it Euro 2021. It could of course be the case we still aren’t playing football/racing cars come June/July but I think at this point in time it’s just as much to help domestic associations finish their seasons.

Euro 2020 is also a cross continent competition requiring fans to be constantly moving between countries, rather than being held in one, which would make it easier to manage / predict.


Yep agreed - I'm just gutted because this was the year I was going to push the boat out, I've got tickets for 6 Euro 2020 matches and was going to try and get to 3 or 4 European GPs mixed in with a bit of a farewell European tour (before Brexit). Oh well maybe next year if I'm not bankrupt by then :x


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Biffa wrote:
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Looking like Euro 2020 will be cancelled, so that's June and July - not looking good :?


It doesn’t look good but I also think this is to buy domestic leagues time to finish their seasons. It’s just common sense at this point to make it Euro 2021. It could of course be the case we still aren’t playing football/racing cars come June/July but I think at this point in time it’s just as much to help domestic associations finish their seasons.

Euro 2020 is also a cross continent competition requiring fans to be constantly moving between countries, rather than being held in one, which would make it easier to manage / predict.


Yep agreed - I'm just gutted because this was the year I was going to push the boat out, I've got tickets for 6 Euro 2020 matches and was going to try and get to 3 or 4 European GPs mixed in with a bit of a farewell European tour (before Brexit). Oh well maybe next year if I'm not bankrupt by then :x


Wow, I'd be gutted too. In fact, I am supposed to attend my first GP, but can't see it now. x(


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A couple of reports that the ‘summer’ break will be 23 March to the end of April. Teams can shut down for three weeks of their choosing in that time: https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-set-t ... art-delay/

Other thing: AMUS are reporting that teams will vote to delay the regulation changes until 2022. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/124 ... 37861?s=21


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Other thing: AMUS are reporting that teams will vote to delay the regulation changes until 2022. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/124 ... 37861?s=21

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Other thing: AMUS are reporting that teams will vote to delay the regulation changes until 2022. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/124 ... 37861?s=21

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Also being reported elsewhere now.


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JN23 wrote:
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Other thing: AMUS are reporting that teams will vote to delay the regulation changes until 2022. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/124 ... 37861?s=21

:-((


Also being reported elsewhere now.


Whether we like it or not it does make sense (to me anyway (as a non-technical person)).

It seems such a waste if the development work/resource for 2020 was just annulled, plus let’s face it; we still want to see how things pan out when the regs reach some maturity and stabilisation. The next big change is going to happen regardless, and one year later is not such a big deal – in fact it might negate the ‘jump start’ the big spenders have, so a win-win all round?!!


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Biffa wrote:
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Other thing: AMUS are reporting that teams will vote to delay the regulation changes until 2022. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/124 ... 37861?s=21

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Also being reported elsewhere now.


Whether we like it or not it does make sense (to me anyway (as a non-technical person)).

It seems such a waste if the development work/resource for 2020 was just annulled, plus let’s face it; we still want to see how things pan out when the regs reach some maturity and stabilisation. The next big change is going to happen regardless, and one year later is not such a big deal – in fact it might negate the ‘jump start’ the big spenders have, so a win-win all round?!!


Very much the opposite I think. The more time until implementation the greater the difference in money the big teams will have spent developing cars for these regulations.

Aside from 2014 any time in recent history that has seen big regulations changes has brought the field much closer together. With such a long lead in time I struggle to see that being the case.

The fact that it's on the table means that the big teams want it to happen and that should tell you all you need to know.


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Very much the opposite I think. The more time until implementation the greater the difference in money the big teams will have spent developing cars for these regulations.

Aside from 2014 any time in recent history that has seen big regulations changes has brought the field much closer together. With such a long lead in time I struggle to see that being the case.

The fact that it's on the table means that the big teams want it to happen and that should tell you all you need to know.

I'm pretty much on this side of the argument. The big teams have already flat-out admitted they're going to spend massive amounts of money before the cost cap comes in. Pushing the regulation change back pushes (I assume) the cost cap with them, meaning yet another year of the big teams spending far over the cap to gain an advantage.

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Very much the opposite I think. The more time until implementation the greater the difference in money the big teams will have spent developing cars for these regulations.

Aside from 2014 any time in recent history that has seen big regulations changes has brought the field much closer together. With such a long lead in time I struggle to see that being the case.

The fact that it's on the table means that the big teams want it to happen and that should tell you all you need to know.

I'm pretty much on this side of the argument. The big teams have already flat-out admitted they're going to spend massive amounts of money before the cost cap comes in. Pushing the regulation change back pushes (I assume) the cost cap with them, meaning yet another year of the big teams spending far over the cap to gain an advantage.


I can’t find the tweet but the suggestion was the cost cap would still start next year. There’s also a suggestion parts of the current cars would be frozen for next year in order to save money.


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First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!

Does anyone know what the teams did in the end? Are they they back from Aus and in quarantine? I have lost track with all the things happening around


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Anybody else finding some of the projections of the infectiousness of Covid-19 suspect?

The 3,700 passengers & crew of the Diamond Princess had been at sea for 2 weeks before the first passenger left the ship and was later confirmed to be suffering from Covid-19.

Subsequently those people were quarantined by the Japanese government for a further 3 weeks.

Having eaten, played, exercised and socialised together in a what can only be an ideal environment for the propagation of a droplet passed virus 83% OF THEM WERE FOUND NOT TO HAVE COVID-19.

Remember. of those that are infected with Covid-19, more than half show no symptoms at all, 13% require hospital level care and just 5% need intensive care.

Mortality ranges from 0.5% in South Korea to 4.5% in Italy, the vast majority of deaths occur in individuals with pre-existing medical conditions.

Why is the world's economy being destroyed and the vast majority of people's livelihood being put a risk for a disease which seriously affects 0.85% (5% of 17%) the population, most of whom are already ill?

Get everyone infected and it'll be over in 2 weeks

PS I am over 65, have multiple pre-existing conditions and have been placed on the at risk register. My son runs an event business which has seen all events cancelled through June. 10 years of his life building a business gone in a few weeks.


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And how do you expect health services to cope with that? Your plan would cause a much higher death rate than containing it and slowing the spread.

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Dr Roy Spencer wrote:
On the subject of using antimalarial drugs for COVID-19 treatment, I've compared COVID-19 cases versus malaria incidence by country....

This is amazing. I downloaded all of the data for 234 countries, incidence of total COVID-19 cases (as of 3/17/2020) versus the incidence of malaria in those countries (various sources, kinda messy matching everything up in Excel).

RESULTS, Multi-country average malaria cases per thousand, COVID-19 cases per million, in three classes of countries based on malaria incidence:

Top 40 Malaria countries: 212 malaria = 0.2 COVID-19;
Next 40 Malaria countries: 7.3 malaria = 10.1 COVID-19
Remaining (81-234) countries: 0.00 malaria = 68.7 COVID-19

Again, the units are Malaria cases per thousand "population at risk", and COVID-19 cases per million total population.

In all my years of data analysis I have never seen such a stark and strong relationship: Countries with malaria basically have no COVID-19 cases (at least not yet).
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And how do you expect health services to cope with that? Your plan would cause a much higher death rate than containing it and slowing the spread.
I don't, I expect them to be overwhelmed and a high proportion of those at risk to die.

I'm one of them.

No one has asked me whether I think it's better to reduce my risk of death at the cost of the world's economy.

I can't speak for anyone else, I'm simply saying for me, I'd rather increase my risk than have my children and grandchildren suffer. I suspect that many grandparents would agree.


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And how do you expect health services to cope with that? Your plan would cause a much higher death rate than containing it and slowing the spread.


The Diamond Princess passengers were confined into their cabins if we believe the reports, not as Battle Far presents it. Plus the PS note at the end makes me think that Battle Far is just venting some understandable frustration.

The idea is that the already burdened health services wouldn't cope with the spread rate of this disease; and it is spreading fast, so this is the reason they ask for people to self isolate. Eventually we will all get it somehow. This is how I understand it so far


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First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!


Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

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First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!


Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.


Oh, good luck, I hope you'll get over it soon. And yeah, you guys had it tough down under recently... It is terrible as I had to stay home for 10 days in October and while I was excited the first few days, I got so bored in the end that I couldn't get out of the house fast enough.

The stockpiling is unfortunately a thing that happens everywhere, my wife found eggs today in the super market after a whole week. People's idiocy is not to be underestimated. So many people brag by posting their full kitchens on insta. Just sickening frankly, common sense has gone out of the window


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Jezza13 wrote:
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First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!


Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.

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Jezza13 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!


Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.


Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?


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Siao7 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!


Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.


Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?


The stockpiling in the UK is so bad that Supermarkets have started allocating an hour or two in the morning where only pensioners are allowed in i.e. before us greedy barstewards clean everything out.

So listening to the radio this morning and there were more than 100 pensioners queued outside the local Tesco at 7am waiting for it to open, and when the doors opened to non-pensioners at 8am the shelves had been cleaned out :lol: :lol:

That'll teach us!


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Biffa wrote:
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Jezza13 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!


Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.


Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?


The stockpiling in the UK is so bad that Supermarkets have started allocating an hour or two in the morning where only pensioners are allowed in i.e. before us greedy barstewards clean everything out.

So listening to the radio this morning and there were more than 100 pensioners queued outside the local Tesco at 7am waiting for it to open, and when the doors opened to non-pensioners at 8am the shelves had been cleaned out :lol: :lol:

That'll teach us!


Plus now you're forcing mass gatherings of the most susceptible members of the community in the same place at the same time.

They're doing the same thing in Australia now.

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Jezza13 wrote:
Biffa wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
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Jezza13 wrote:

Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.


Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?


The stockpiling in the UK is so bad that Supermarkets have started allocating an hour or two in the morning where only pensioners are allowed in i.e. before us greedy barstewards clean everything out.

So listening to the radio this morning and there were more than 100 pensioners queued outside the local Tesco at 7am waiting for it to open, and when the doors opened to non-pensioners at 8am the shelves had been cleaned out :lol: :lol:

That'll teach us!


Plus now you're forcing mass gatherings of the most susceptible members of the community in the same place at the same time.

They're doing the same thing in Australia now.


They are indeed trying to get rid of the pensioners!!!

I find this silly, how can they police it? If your elderly nan can't go and you have to go to buy stuff for her, no one is going to believe you it is for her for example.


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I doubt that this will amount to much, however, goodish news ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51963897

Coronavirus: Formula 1 teams are to help in supply of ventilators

Formula 1 teams are working with government and health authorities to increase the supply of ventilators during the coronavirus crisis.

Ventilators are a device used to help supply more air to patients with breathing difficulties, one of the effects of severe coronavirus symptoms.

The majority of F1 teams are aiming to work out ways to use their engineering facilities to boost production.

F1 said the aim was to "provide as much help and assistance as we can".

A spokesman said: "The F1 community is engaged in discussions with all the relevant stakeholders regarding this issue and we will provide further details in due course."

A number of teams have applied-technologies divisions that could directly feed into the national production capacity of ventilators in the UK and Italy, particularly McLaren, Red Bull, Williams, Mercedes and Ferrari.

But all teams have advanced manufacturing capability that could potentially be used to make complex devices such as this, and as many will help as can.

The idea is to increase the supply of the existing design of ventilators rather than try to come up with a new approach.

The UK is estimated to need an extra 20,000 ventilators to deal with the crisis as it develops over the coming months.

It is hoped that an approach can be agreed within the next week that will help teams feed into capacity as quickly as possible, to boost the capability of health services to deal with increasing numbers of patients with breathing difficulties.

The move follows the Agnelli family which controls Ferrari and Fiat donating €10m (£9.3m) to the Italian government to help deal with the coronavirus emergency at a national level, as well as buying 150 extra ventilators and providing a fleet of cars to distribute food and medicine.


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More Grand Prixs cancelled ;

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... oronavirus

Formula One has confirmed the Dutch, Spanish and Monaco Grands Prix have been postponed because of the coronavirus pandemic. The three races were due to take place in May, meaning the earliest the season can start is on 7 June in Azerbaijan.

The announcement follows a conference call involving the FIA president, Jean Todt, F1 bosses Chase Carey and Ross Brawn and the 10 team principals on Thursday.

A joint statement from F1 and the FIA said: “In view of the continued global spread of Covid-19 and after ongoing discussions with Formula One and the three promoters, it has today been confirmed the Dutch Grand Prix 2020, Spanish Grand Prix 2020 and Monaco Grand Prix 2020 will be postponed.

“Due to the ongoing and fluid nature of the Covid-19 situation globally, the FIA, Formula One and the three promoters have taken these decisions in order to ensure the health and safety of the travelling staff, championship participants and fans, which remains our primary concern.

“The FIA and Formula One continue to work closely with affected promoters and local authorities to monitor the situation and take the appropriate amount of time to study the viability of potential alternative dates for each grand prix later in the year, should the situation improve.

“The FIA and Formula One expect to begin the 2020 Championship season as soon as it is safe to do so after May and will continue to regularly monitor the ongoing Covid-19 situation.”


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Don't know if this has been picked up on elsewhere but major annoucement seems to be 2021 changes delayed by a year so next year's season to be run under current regs. Lewis will be happy, everyone else less so!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51964882


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Don't know if this has been picked up on elsewhere but major annoucement seems to be 2021 changes delayed by a year so next year's season to be run under current regs. Lewis will be happy, everyone else less so!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51964882


this seems to be a sensible decision as it seems some teams were going to really struggle financially if the new regs were to be bought in 2021. A situation like this which is completely out of the teams hands and F1/all teams should do everything to stop teams pulling out.

I wonder if we’re looking at an August start for the season whether a bumper 2020/21 combined season would be considered? My guess is no, but if we can’t race until after that I think it will start to become a real possibility.


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Siao7 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!


Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.


Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?

The war spirit is about everyone pulling together not everyman for himself.

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And how do you expect health services to cope with that? Your plan would cause a much higher death rate than containing it and slowing the spread.
I don't, I expect them to be overwhelmed and a high proportion of those at risk to die.

I'm one of them.

No one has asked me whether I think it's better to reduce my risk of death at the cost of the world's economy.

I can't speak for anyone else, I'm simply saying for me, I'd rather increase my risk than have my children and grandchildren suffer. I suspect that many grandparents would agree.

What is more interesting to me is that our leaders seem so willing to crash the global economy to fight this pandemic yet are not willing to make any similar sacrifices to combat climate change. The latter will have much more far-reaching effects on a much larger number of people, but sadly the people who make the big decisions in this world are only capable of thinking in the short term.


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pokerman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
First 10' of the first day working from home and I already hate it!


Well I started showing initial symptoms of a flu virus last Tuesday. Left work early & woke up at 2.30am Wednesday an absolute mess.

Had to get tested & cleared for COVID19 before i'd be allowed to return to work. Got tested Tuesday & still waiting results. My employer has been awesome by saying just log on from home, do what little work you can & we'll cover you for normal work days. 99% sure I don't have COVID19 as I've not traveled overseas or had any contact with a known carrier. The one little concern I have is that on the rare occasions I get the flu, it'll usually hit me pretty hard but for only a day, maybe 2, then i'll pretty much be over it.

This one has knocked me for Six. Nine days in now, my throat is still quite sore, still got a fairly bad cough & still slightly fatigued.

I'm so over it all. Just want to get back to work & a normal life as much possible at the moment.

I've certainly changed my tune regarding this virus. I was initially dismissive of the global reaction to this virus. Thought it was totally overblown but as Australia's been plunged deeper into the crisis I've really come to appreciate the potential consequences if quick & decisive action had not been taken.

One thing I do have to say is that after the tragic bushfires we lived through a few months ago it was really uplifting to see fellow Australians come together and help out our neighbors. Really made be proud to be Australian.

Now, just a few short months later, I see the barren shelves of my local supermarkets, It saddens me to say i'm absolutely disgusted in the way my country men & women have totally& unnecessarily started to panic buy groceries. It sickens me. This is probably an issue not only confined to Australia, but to hear reports of people bulk buying goods to sell them a grossly inflated prices on the internet or post them to family members overseas, leaving none for the elderly or the frail members of our community. infuriates me. It's a very sad & very scary insight as to how people would react should the day come where we as a civilization genuinely faces a threat to our survival.

It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.


Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?

The war spirit is about everyone pulling together not everyman for himself.

Thank you, makes sense now!


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And how do you expect health services to cope with that? Your plan would cause a much higher death rate than containing it and slowing the spread.
I don't, I expect them to be overwhelmed and a high proportion of those at risk to die.

I'm one of them.

No one has asked me whether I think it's better to reduce my risk of death at the cost of the world's economy.

I can't speak for anyone else, I'm simply saying for me, I'd rather increase my risk than have my children and grandchildren suffer. I suspect that many grandparents would agree.

What is more interesting to me is that our leaders seem so willing to crash the global economy to fight this pandemic yet are not willing to make any similar sacrifices to combat climate change. The latter will have much more far-reaching effects on a much larger number of people, but sadly the people who make the big decisions in this world are only capable of thinking in the short term.

It is funny that all this ban in travelling and working from home is actually giving Earth a bit of a breather in that sense!


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What is more interesting to me is that our leaders seem so willing to crash the global economy to fight this pandemic yet are not willing to make any similar sacrifices to combat climate change. The latter will have much more far-reaching effects on a much larger number of people, but sadly the people who make the big decisions in this world are only capable of thinking in the short term.

:thumbup:

I really hope it's a foot in the door in that regard. We'll see.

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What is more interesting to me is that our leaders seem so willing to crash the global economy to fight this pandemic yet are not willing to make any similar sacrifices to combat climate change. The latter will have much more far-reaching effects on a much larger number of people, but sadly the people who make the big decisions in this world are only capable of thinking in the short term.

:thumbup:

I really hope it's a foot in the door in that regard. We'll see.


The question is whether crashing the global economy will really save lives and health and help the climate. Or whether it will throw back considerable parts of the world back into poverty, hunger, violence, and war ...


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Teams have agreed in principle to postpone the radical new regulations until 2022 - clearly a ripple effect of COVID-19.

To me it would appear that the one driver this suits the most is none other than Lewis Hamilton.


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Siao7 wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Biffa wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
It's the same in the UK, people have even been buying chest freezers whilst in Italy, who have the worse of the virus, they've continued to shop as normal, no panic buying, it seems a far cry to how the countries may be perceived, the hapless Italians against the more considered Brits.

What happened to the war spirit, this doesn't seem the same country, and let's not forget Brexit, this seems to be more a country of people just looking out for themselves.

Like you say it's an eye opener to what would happen if ever we have a threat to our survival.


Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?


The stockpiling in the UK is so bad that Supermarkets have started allocating an hour or two in the morning where only pensioners are allowed in i.e. before us greedy barstewards clean everything out.

So listening to the radio this morning and there were more than 100 pensioners queued outside the local Tesco at 7am waiting for it to open, and when the doors opened to non-pensioners at 8am the shelves had been cleaned out :lol: :lol:

That'll teach us!


Plus now you're forcing mass gatherings of the most susceptible members of the community in the same place at the same time.

They're doing the same thing in Australia now.


They are indeed trying to get rid of the pensioners!!!

I find this silly, how can they police it? If your elderly nan can't go and you have to go to buy stuff for her, no one is going to believe you it is for her for example.


That's not really what I was alluding to but more an observation that just as governments are promoting self - isolation policies with this virus, those most vulnerable are being un-necessarily forced to expose themselves to an environment that increases their risk of infection due to the "stuff you" mentality purveying throughout society at the moment.

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Jezza13 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Biffa wrote:
Siao7 wrote:

Britain unfortunately seems to be quite delayed with measures. I know that in other countries the shops haven't ran out of stuff, they take measures and allow specific amount of people in the shops and things are very civilised. Here it is the opposite. I do not get what you mean about the war spirit Poker. Can you elaborate?


The stockpiling in the UK is so bad that Supermarkets have started allocating an hour or two in the morning where only pensioners are allowed in i.e. before us greedy barstewards clean everything out.

So listening to the radio this morning and there were more than 100 pensioners queued outside the local Tesco at 7am waiting for it to open, and when the doors opened to non-pensioners at 8am the shelves had been cleaned out :lol: :lol:

That'll teach us!


Plus now you're forcing mass gatherings of the most susceptible members of the community in the same place at the same time.

They're doing the same thing in Australia now.


They are indeed trying to get rid of the pensioners!!!

I find this silly, how can they police it? If your elderly nan can't go and you have to go to buy stuff for her, no one is going to believe you it is for her for example.


That's not really what I was alluding to but more an observation that just as governments are promoting self - isolation policies with this virus, those most vulnerable are being un-necessarily forced to expose themselves to an environment that increases their risk of infection due to the "stuff you" mentality purveying throughout society at the moment.

Oh I got what you meant, I was just commenting in general as I read this from various sources in the UK.


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By the way, since yesterday, Italy has surpassed the total death toll of China. Sad sad news for Italy, I saw pics of their military trucks carrying the dead. Yet, still people think this is all OTT and nothing to worry about


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US CDC research shows that chloroquine also has strong potential as a prophylactic (preventative) measure against coronavirus in the lab, while we wait for a vaccine to be developed. Chloroquine & Hydroxochlroquine are inexpensive, globally available drugs that has been in widespread human use since 1945 against malaria, autoimmune and various other conditions.

The UK Government have known about the immunity to Covid-19 granted by chloroquine for more than a month since on February 26, 2020, they added chloroquine to the list of medicines that cannot be parallel exported from the UK. Chloroquine was never on this list before.

A published medical trial indicates that 75% of patients who test positive for Covid-19 are disease free within 6 days, 100% within 10 days of chloroquine treatment.

It works by making cells absorb more Zinc from the bodies nutrient system, the zinc inhibits the RNA virus from replicating.

Please can someone tell me why this information, which confirms that a drug that has been in widespread use for more than 70 years and whose contra indications are very well documented and that is available in very large quantities (routinely taken by people living with high malaria risk) has not been made available to the public.

If the above is true this entire pandemic could be over in 2 weeks

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Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro (Nature)

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By the way, since yesterday, Italy has surpassed the total death toll of China. Sad sad news for Italy, I saw pics of their military trucks carrying the dead. Yet, still people think this is all OTT and nothing to worry about
China and South Korea have been routinely treating Covid-19 patients with Chloroquine & Hyroxochloroquine since February.

South Korea's mortality rate is 0.5%, Italy's is 4.7%


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