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Looks like he had an agreement to run a few races for Andretti too. Huge blow for Indy really, and the final chickens coming home to roost for Alonso. Has there ever been a more talented driver that has been completely blackballed by most of the major players in top level motorsport?

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Yeah I mentioned that in the Alonso thread, he might get a replacement drive for the Indy 500 but perhaps whats equally as disappointing is that he was going to do some more races for the Andretti team.
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While I regret not having the chance to see what Alonso can do in an Andretti Motorsports ride, I can't feel too sorry for him. He has made himself unwelcome in a lot of places.
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i don't feel the least bit sorry for him, make your bed, lie in it, and all that.

fred not being at indy is not "a huge blow" for indy it'll get along just fine without him. he wants a ride at indy, he can buy one

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pc27b wrote:i don't feel the least bit sorry for him, make your bed, lie in it, and all that.

fred not being at indy is not "a huge blow" for indy it'll get along just fine without him. he wants a ride at indy, he can buy one
Not wishing to debate the worldwide pull of Indy in here, but it'd be a lot more viewed and generate a lot more interest outside of its usual markets with Alonso in it, and that can only be a good thing. As for buying a ride at Indy, I doubt Ed Carpenter's phone has stopped ringing since the news was announced.
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Alonso isn't even all that outspoken or controversial compared to the guys of yesteryear. The McLaren episode aside - and there was more than 1 party playing that game.

However that is the media savvy, corporate headed, world of modern professional sport.

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pc27b wrote:i don't feel the least bit sorry for him, make your bed, lie in it, and all that.

fred not being at indy is not "a huge blow" for indy it'll get along just fine without him. he wants a ride at indy, he can buy one
Not wishing to debate the worldwide pull of Indy in here, but it'd be a lot more viewed and generate a lot more interest outside of its usual markets with Alonso in it, and that can only be a good thing. As for buying a ride at Indy, I doubt Ed Carpenter's phone has stopped ringing since the news was announced.
I agree the last two Indy 500's I watched were when Alonso was taking part, and one of them he didn't even qualify for the race.
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pc27b wrote:i don't feel the least bit sorry for him, make your bed, lie in it, and all that.

fred not being at indy is not "a huge blow" for indy it'll get along just fine without him. he wants a ride at indy, he can buy one
Not wishing to debate the worldwide pull of Indy in here, but it'd be a lot more viewed and generate a lot more interest outside of its usual markets with Alonso in it, and that can only be a good thing. As for buying a ride at Indy, I doubt Ed Carpenter's phone has stopped ringing since the news was announced.
i would agree there are people outside the states who would watch only if alonso is in the race. that still doesn't make it a "huge blow" for the 500

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pc27b wrote:i don't feel the least bit sorry for him, make your bed, lie in it, and all that.

fred not being at indy is not "a huge blow" for indy it'll get along just fine without him. he wants a ride at indy, he can buy one
Not wishing to debate the worldwide pull of Indy in here, but it'd be a lot more viewed and generate a lot more interest outside of its usual markets with Alonso in it, and that can only be a good thing. As for buying a ride at Indy, I doubt Ed Carpenter's phone has stopped ringing since the news was announced.
i would agree there are people outside the states who would watch only if alonso is in the race. that still doesn't make it a "huge blow" for the 500
I didn't say the 500, I meant the series in general. Imagine the hype of having Alonso do a few races and then flirt with the idea of a full time ride? I think you'd have some of the F1 boys worried about the pull of that happening.
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Alonso doing a season in Indycar definitely wouldn't be a bad thing for the global profile of Indycar.

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Flash2k11 wrote:
pc27b wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:
pc27b wrote:i don't feel the least bit sorry for him, make your bed, lie in it, and all that.

fred not being at indy is not "a huge blow" for indy it'll get along just fine without him. he wants a ride at indy, he can buy one
Not wishing to debate the worldwide pull of Indy in here, but it'd be a lot more viewed and generate a lot more interest outside of its usual markets with Alonso in it, and that can only be a good thing. As for buying a ride at Indy, I doubt Ed Carpenter's phone has stopped ringing since the news was announced.
i would agree there are people outside the states who would watch only if alonso is in the race. that still doesn't make it a "huge blow" for the 500
I didn't say the 500, I meant the series in general. Imagine the hype of having Alonso do a few races and then flirt with the idea of a full time ride? I think you'd have some of the F1 boys worried about the pull of that happening.

well, you said Indy, and Indy IS the 500 here lol he skipped monaco, they did alright

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pc27b wrote:well, you said Indy, and Indy IS the 500 here lol he skipped monaco, they did alright
Tell that to Pascal...

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Interesting how Drivers are held to such a high standard in terms o how they comport themselves, yet here, one of the worlds largest entities is holding onto a grudge childishly because a driver expressed his discontent in the moment, while adrenaline was flowing and frustrations were the constant throughout several seasons where the engine failed him time and time again, not only in F1, but during the Indy 500 while he was seriously in contention for the win.

Perhaps he was wrong in voicing his frustrations publicly, but he was merely being human in those moments and to chastise for him that indefinitely is in his own words… Shritheeculousssss.
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F1 MERCENARY wrote:Interesting how Drivers are held to such a high standard in terms o how they comport themselves, yet here, one of the worlds largest entities is holding onto a grudge childishly because a driver expressed his discontent in the moment, while adrenaline was flowing and frustrations were the constant throughout several seasons where the engine failed him time and time again, not only in F1, but during the Indy 500 while he was seriously in contention for the win.

Perhaps he was wrong in voicing his frustrations publicly, but he was merely being human in those moments and to chastise for him that indefinitely is in his own words… Shritheeculousssss.
he expressed many more disreputable opinions about honda than the main public one. childishly ? if you are gonna call honda childish, alonso isn't childish, get real?
i have lost all respect for alonso since his bullshit statement after lemans. obviously my opinion of him means zero. his ability, and lack of anyone offering him a ride....says everything

his arrogance...f1 sucks, i'm out...i wanna ride in 2020-2021...nobody answered his calls

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F1 MERCENARY wrote:Interesting how Drivers are held to such a high standard in terms o how they comport themselves, yet here, one of the worlds largest entities is holding onto a grudge childishly because a driver expressed his discontent in the moment, while adrenaline was flowing and frustrations were the constant throughout several seasons where the engine failed him time and time again, not only in F1, but during the Indy 500 while he was seriously in contention for the win.

Perhaps he was wrong in voicing his frustrations publicly, but he was merely being human in those moments and to chastise for him that indefinitely is in his own words… Shritheeculousssss.
I think it was more than the GP2 comment, did he not also implore McLaren to ditch Honda which they did?

Even after that when McLaren got the Renault engine he said now we can fight, when Verstappen won the first race for Honda, Verstappen said now we can fight which was a clear reference to Alonso's jibe.

The GP2 comment said in frustration just happened to be on Honda's home track the effect of which was to cause maximum humiliation to Honda, I'm sure Alonso's intention was merely to put pressure on Honda to improve things but the Samurai warrior perhaps doesn't quite know as much about Japanese culture as he thought he did?
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tootsie323 wrote:Lassie is a female dog. Karma is a chameleon.
Karma's a chameleon... doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

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pc27b wrote:
F1 MERCENARY wrote:Interesting how Drivers are held to such a high standard in terms o how they comport themselves, yet here, one of the worlds largest entities is holding onto a grudge childishly because a driver expressed his discontent in the moment, while adrenaline was flowing and frustrations were the constant throughout several seasons where the engine failed him time and time again, not only in F1, but during the Indy 500 while he was seriously in contention for the win.

Perhaps he was wrong in voicing his frustrations publicly, but he was merely being human in those moments and to chastise for him that indefinitely is in his own words… Shritheeculousssss.
he expressed many more disreputable opinions about honda than the main public one. childishly ? if you are gonna call honda childish, alonso isn't childish, get real?
i have lost all respect for alonso since his bullshit statement after lemans. obviously my opinion of him means zero. his ability, and lack of anyone offering him a ride....says everything

his arrogance...f1 sucks, i'm out...i wanna ride in 2020-2021...nobody answered his calls
You seem to have taken things a tad too personal. You fail to realize that F1 drivers are PEOPLE with emotion and everything else that goes into being a human being.
They're not robots and at times they fly off the handle just LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

Honda was struggling to an extreme degree and at the time they were promising an improvement week to week and that never materialized. And while they were having their own struggles, the issues were compounded by McLaren Engineer's insistence on the ZERO footprint idea of making the engine compartment as small and compact as possible which did not allow the required space to cool off properly which cause failures. While I admit Alonso should have kept his mouth shut, driving and competing at such a high level is adrenaline inducing to the point you cannot possibly control what you feel in certain moments. And as a human being with life experience, you know all too well that generally we tend to over emphasize negative things far more than we do the good because we generally feel the good things are to be expected.

This is why relationships tend to fail. Most of the time relationships fall apart over a single or several issues that if compared to ALL the great times and moments PALE in comparison, but as humans tend to do, we irrationally hand onto and harbor ill feelings of the moment and allow them, to fester, and so rashe decisions are made and relationships are ended. Sadly, if the parties took the time to evaluate and assess the situation from a complete perspective, and REMEMBERED all the good times as a whole, they would probably realize that taking issue with the one or the few instances where things weren't so peachy, simply don't compare, and the good times far outweigh the bad. For some reason we tend to hang onto and remember the bad experiences and can recall them in an instant, whereas remembering the good times tends to escape us. We've all had that argument where we are adamant that something isn't so bad and are then asked oh yeah, well tell me one thing that isn't bad and we stumble over our thoughts trying to come up with a good example, when in fact there are many of them.

And while the McLaren Honda 2.0 relationship had vastly more downs than ups, everyone involved should be mature enough to let things go and move forward.

Can you imagine IF Alonso went to indy and won with Honda Power and Andretti Racing??!?!?…
The amount of attention that would garner for all involved?…
And NOTHING heals old wounds like winning. I think Honda's position on this is unwise and as I stated, childish. They are one of the world's greatest leaders in technology and they are harping over spilled milk.
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pokerman wrote:
F1 MERCENARY wrote:Interesting how Drivers are held to such a high standard in terms o how they comport themselves, yet here, one of the worlds largest entities is holding onto a grudge childishly because a driver expressed his discontent in the moment, while adrenaline was flowing and frustrations were the constant throughout several seasons where the engine failed him time and time again, not only in F1, but during the Indy 500 while he was seriously in contention for the win.

Perhaps he was wrong in voicing his frustrations publicly, but he was merely being human in those moments and to chastise for him that indefinitely is in his own words… Shritheeculousssss.
I think it was more than the GP2 comment, did he not also implore McLaren to ditch Honda which they did?
He did not, go and watch the Amazon documentary, is pretty clear that Mclaren was fed up with Honda.

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Alonso simply has a huge ego, look what it got him..

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Henri Royce wrote:Alonso simply has a huge ego, look what it got him..
He's always had it, hence the multi F1 championships, 2x Le-Mans win, FIA Endurance championship plus goodness knows what else.
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Henri Royce wrote:Alonso simply has a huge ego, look what it got him..
He's always had it, hence the multi F1 championships, 2x Le-Mans win, FIA Endurance championship plus goodness knows what else.
Apart from the F1 titles, what he achieved in WEC was little more than gifted to him, Toyota had no need to drop Davidson for him given they had no competition.

Regarding Alonso's ego he always seemed to fine to me before he won his first WDC, then ego and entitlement started to take over.
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Robot wrote:
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F1 MERCENARY wrote:Interesting how Drivers are held to such a high standard in terms o how they comport themselves, yet here, one of the worlds largest entities is holding onto a grudge childishly because a driver expressed his discontent in the moment, while adrenaline was flowing and frustrations were the constant throughout several seasons where the engine failed him time and time again, not only in F1, but during the Indy 500 while he was seriously in contention for the win.

Perhaps he was wrong in voicing his frustrations publicly, but he was merely being human in those moments and to chastise for him that indefinitely is in his own words… Shritheeculousssss.
I think it was more than the GP2 comment, did he not also implore McLaren to ditch Honda which they did?
He did not, go and watch the Amazon documentary, is pretty clear that Mclaren was fed up with Honda.
I don't have Amazon it's just things I've read, here's an article I found this not being a tabloid newspaper.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2 ... da-engine/
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