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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:54 pm 
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This is beginning to look more like the go-kart racing I see at my local track, on damp Sunday mornings!
I was beginning to be very impressed by the way the drivers more or less managed to keep racing. And then, telling one of the RPs to stop the car, it all turned into a farce with Safety Car after Safety Car. I suppose all the ignorant race fans are having a ball...

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Kimi didn't expect that, at least appears that way from the onboard view. Kvyat saw room but pulled out for the move a bit late.


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How is it that at Monaco they seem to be able to remove crashed or broken down cars from the circuit so quickly, but at other street circuits it seems to take so long.

More cranes i think


Of course, but that multiple cranes should be at all circuits. It's a small cost in a sport like this.

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Hope Mylanders got a laps led bonus in his contract.

He'll be raking it in tonight

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If you don't think that being able to undercut your teammate is unfair, then there's not much further I can go with this.


Please read my post again. I didn't say that.

No you're thinking it's unfair that Bottas wasn't allowed to beat Hamilton with the use of an unfair undercut, what strategy can you use to make this fair?


It wasn't any fault of Bottas that he was in a position to get ahead of LH, but he was told to slow down a significant amount. I understand why this was done but it still sucks for Bottas. I also know why Ferrari did the pit strategy they did and agree with it, but that also sucks for Leclerc.

Bottas shouldn't have been allowed to pit before Hamilton in the first place, I've actually no idea what they were doing with strategy, they were sub par today and that's not the first time.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:57 pm 
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Argh the safety cars are just sucking the life out of this race.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:59 pm 
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Not sure how much more unfair it is to be undercut, than to be told to simply slow your pace significantly so that you don't beat your team mate. Either way you've been given a situation where you have no choice but to lose out to your team mate.

If you don't think that being able to undercut your teammate is unfair, then there's not much further I can go with this.


Please read my post again. I didn't say that.

No you're thinking it's unfair that Bottas wasn't allowed to beat Hamilton with the use of an unfair undercut, what strategy can you use to make this fair?


It wasn't any fault of Bottas that he was in a position to get ahead of LH, but he was told to slow down a significant amount. I understand why this was done but it still sucks for Bottas. I also know why Ferrari did the pit strategy they did and agree with it, but that also sucks for Leclerc.

Bottas shouldn't have been allowed to pit before Hamilton in the first place, I've actually no idea what they were doing with strategy, they were sub par today and that's not the first time.[/quote]

I do wonder if the amount of undercut caught teams out. It was a significant time difference.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:59 pm 
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Game over at the front methinks. Maybe some points still to be gained further back.

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Some feisty stuff in midfield. This race could time out under SC.


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Ferrari screwed leclerc, Mercedes clueless regarding pit strategy screwing Hamilton, and safety cars screwing the race. For supposedly the best drivers in the world, looked like NASCAR out there. Borefest


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Because I'm too lazy to check, would these positions be the first none Mercedes podium of the year? I'm guessing so.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Because I'm too lazy to check, would these positions be the first none Mercedes podium of the year? I'm guessing so.


Germany.


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Because I'm too lazy to check, would these positions be the first none Mercedes podium of the year? I'm guessing so.


Germany.


Of course, Thanks.

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Oh well

We had 5 good races on the trot. I suppose 6 was a tad greedy.

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Third safety car - this is getting silly.

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The track is really rubbish for racing on.

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well at least the singapore record remains in tact


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I think i can see steam coming out from Charles' helmet.


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Not the greatest race and the second half was a frustrating watch with the safety cars. A bit amateurish at times.

Well done Vettel, very happy for him. Regardless of the strategy he did a better job getting through the traffic than Leclerc. I can understand why Leclerc would be p****d though.

Mercedes strategy was just bizarre, looking forward to their debrief they put on youtube.


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Asphalt_World wrote:
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Please read my post again. I didn't say that.

No you're thinking it's unfair that Bottas wasn't allowed to beat Hamilton with the use of an unfair undercut, what strategy can you use to make this fair?


It wasn't any fault of Bottas that he was in a position to get ahead of LH, but he was told to slow down a significant amount. I understand why this was done but it still sucks for Bottas. I also know why Ferrari did the pit strategy they did and agree with it, but that also sucks for Leclerc.

Bottas shouldn't have been allowed to pit before Hamilton in the first place, I've actually no idea what they were doing with strategy, they were sub par today and that's not the first time.


I do wonder if the amount of undercut caught teams out. It was a significant time difference.

I'm sure the undercut was always going to be a big factor given the fragility of the soft tyres that they started on.

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Tracks like this one should be removed from the calendar. What a bore. Nobody can overtake anybody unless +2 sec faster.
Glad I didn't waste time to watch it all and slept through most of it.
Next please, doesn't even worth discussing it, nothing really happened, except Merc screwing Hamilton and Ferrari screwing Leclerc.


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Whats that now? The 3rd or 4th race now where Leclerc got dudded on strategy?

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Because I'm too lazy to check, would these positions be the first none Mercedes podium of the year? I'm guessing so.

Germany let's not forget.

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I love Vettel's chrome helmet.


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Good to see Vettel win a race, payback perhaps for what happened in Monza in respect to Leclerc, also we see just how much the Mercedes strategy team rely on having the fastest car and uncomplicated races.

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Champion is back! :) Woo-hoo! :)

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Nice interview with Leclerc. Hope he can maintain his calm attitude outside of the car. It's refreshing. He could be seriously less happy sounding.

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Congrats to Ferrari. Shame about your incompetence earlier in the season.

Booo to Merc for telling one of their drivers to slow down.

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Good to see Vettel win a race, payback perhaps for what happened in Monza in respect to Leclerc, also we see just how much the Mercedes strategy team rely on having the fastest car and uncomplicated races.


I don't think they did that bad a job. They risked a podium trying to get a win and it didn't come off.


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Good to see Vettel win a race, payback perhaps for what happened in Monza in respect to Leclerc, also we see just how much the Mercedes strategy team rely on having the fastest car and uncomplicated races.


I don't think they did that bad a job. They risked a podium trying to get a win and it didn't come off.

They could have won the race with the undercut, if it was there for Vettel then it was also there for Hamilton.

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Nice interview with Leclerc. Hope he can maintain his calm attitude outside of the car. It's refreshing. He could be seriously less happy sounding.

Charles continues to impress. He doesn't seem to suffer from the immaturity that some younger drivers have struggled with, on and off the track.


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Because I'm too lazy to check, would these positions be the first none Mercedes podium of the year? I'm guessing so.


It's the first time it's happened in a race where both Mercedes have finished since Mexico last year.


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I think there is a clause in Leclerc's contract to take all the bad strategies.

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Because I'm too lazy to check, would these positions be the first none Mercedes podium of the year? I'm guessing so.


It's the first time it's happened in a race where both Mercedes have finished since Mexico last year.


Thanks for that. :thumbup:

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pokerman wrote:
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Good to see Vettel win a race, payback perhaps for what happened in Monza in respect to Leclerc, also we see just how much the Mercedes strategy team rely on having the fastest car and uncomplicated races.


I don't think they did that bad a job. They risked a podium trying to get a win and it didn't come off.

They could have won the race with the undercut, if it was there for Vettel then it was also there for Hamilton.

I expected them to pit Lewis the lap after seb. Merc messed up again today.

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A few impressions:

- Vettel still got what it takes, he more easily overtook cars ahead than others
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good
- Max was good for podium
- Charles, back to him, also overtook Giovinazzi out of the track, curve 1 and 2
- Mercedes asking a driver to slow down was very low

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It's been a long time coming for Vettel and while he benefitted from the fortune of a bad strategy call for Leclerc, he is owed a win for Canada. I can kinda understand them going for a 1-2 seeing as there is no prospect of a driver's title.

The Mercedes strategy was odd. I guess they were hoping for a safety car but I can't really understand leaving Hamilton out for that long and then just putting the Hard tyre on. The mediums must have been worth a gamble especially as they had Bottas rear gunning anyway.

The other thing I don't get is the failure of Red Bull to try and use Albon for either an aggresive undercut to try and force something up front, or just have him stay out to compromise Ferrari's strategy.


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pokerman wrote:
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Good to see Vettel win a race, payback perhaps for what happened in Monza in respect to Leclerc, also we see just how much the Mercedes strategy team rely on having the fastest car and uncomplicated races.


I don't think they did that bad a job. They risked a podium trying to get a win and it didn't come off.

They could have won the race with the undercut, if it was there for Vettel then it was also there for Hamilton.


Sure, but with the benefit of hindsight we can all be master strategists. If Red Bull had pitted a lap earlier they could have won as well.


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Lt. Drebin wrote:
A few impressions:
- Charles should calm down a bit, becoming a diva will do him no good


What the!

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Congrats to Ferrari. Shame about your incompetence earlier in the season.

Booo to Merc for telling one of their drivers to slow down.


And telling that to the driver only who could challenge Hamilton for a title shot. Bottas better be prepared for this next year too.

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It's been a long time coming for Vettel and while he benefitted from the fortune of a bad strategy call for Leclerc, he is owed a win for Canada. I can kinda understand them going for a 1-2 seeing as there is no prospect of a driver's title.

The Mercedes strategy was odd. I guess they were hoping for a safety car but I can't really understand leaving Hamilton out for that long and then just putting the Hard tyre on. The mediums must have been worth a gamble especially as they had Bottas rear gunning anyway.

The other thing I don't get is the failure of Red Bull to try and use Albon for either an aggresive undercut to try and force something up front, or just have him stay out to compromise Ferrari's strategy.


The difference is Vettel lost a race due to his own driving, Leclerc did nothing wrong.

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