pokerman wrote:Siao7 wrote:pokerman wrote:Siao7 wrote:pokerman wrote:I think you miss the point of a top team like Williams signing Mansell when he was going to be 38, at 42 Mansell had got too fat to fit in the car which is kind of separate to him being merely seen as being to old to be fast.
You seem not to realise that i'm suggesting that it perhaps was not fully appreciated how much a driver might depreciate when he gets into his 40's, what did Mercedes think they were going to be getting when they signed up a 41 year old Schumacher, like Mansell at McLaren was that just also done for commercial reasons?
Apart from that further things you want to bring forward for things not working out for Schumacher I see merely as excuses.
Above you are saying that "age didn't seem to be as much a factor back then". Now you are saying that I am not realising that "it perhaps was not fully appreciated how much a driver might depreciate when he gets into his 40's". So which one is it, do they depreciate or not? Or this factor changes according to one's liking?
Schumacher came back rusty and without being allowed to test. Not even being able to use the simulator. It is to his credit as a top driver that after a couple of years he seemed to get the hang of Nico, which tells a lot. We know Nico raced against the best driver of our era now and indeed get a WDC. So using Rosberg as a yardstick, the old dog didn't do too bad. In fact, his biggest fault was quali, as in the race he seemed to be going forward as Nico always went backwards.
But I did not think that Schumacher would come back and get wins or anything. I am not sure about the excuses you keep banging on, he did as good as he could considering everything. I bet another driver over 40 at that time would not have fared that well. Does this make sense?
Someone else also posted this which I backed up and tried previously to say myself, in the past it was perhaps not appreciated at what age a driver might depreciate and that's why what happened to Schumacher was such a big surprise.
The other reasons given by you are are just speculation and perhaps all this testing that Schumacher needed was perhaps a weakness given that today's drivers make do without, as for simulator work I've heard it's still no match for the real thing, the reality of simulator work would suggest that Stroll is quicker than Ocon apparently?
Also let's not forget that originally Schumacher entered F1 with just half a days testing in a F1 car and was an instant sensation in F1, the latter years Schumacher benefited from his own private test track and tyres that were bespoke to his liking, perhaps he had become reliant on such advantages?
Which part is speculation?
Yeah, Schumacher could not do anything without unfair advantages, is that your angle? Really?
It's speculation to how it might have affected his performance, the Schumacher that entered F1 in 1991 didn't need hours and hours of practice.
You are talking nonsense now. You need to read how he spend hours and hours on the track, using famously the stopwatches that he asked Benetton to install on his steering wheel to perfect his cornering.