Fiki wrote:Pokerman, I can't make sense of what you wrote there. Please make up your mind; was Hill stronger or weaker than Villeneuve? Or do you mean that Frentzen was weaker than Villeneuve? Frentzen, who took Jordan into contention in 1999?pokerman wrote:Fiki wrote:Jacques Villeneuve was the best prepared rookie to enter F1, until Lewis Hamilton took over that title 11 years later. I also remember Villeneuve was on course to win his very first GP, until oil loss decided otherwise.
In his first year, Hamilton finished level on points with a team-mate on his way out; that's not besting him, it is simply the way the season threw up different numbers of wins, 2nd and 3rd places - regardless of how impressive the new best prepared rookie was in 2007. Their car was indeed not dominant, but it was a match for the rival car.
The similarities between the first two years of Hamilton and Villeneuve are clear, and in both cases the qualities of their cars led to the results we saw. Their talents as drivers weren't the same, but that is never an achievement; you have to work with what you were given. Ending up in the best cars is not necessarily an achievement either; it is the logical consequence of the business of F1.
Villeneuve's career took a serious hit when the gamble of joining his friend/manager in setting up a new team didn't go as hoped. He wasn't the first, and won't be the last to suffer that kind of setback.
The qualities of the cars was not the same, JV had a far better car and a weaker teammate, Hamilton equaled Alonso whilst Hill was clearly stronger than JV.
I also don't understand what you're saying about the cars. Villeneuve may have won his title in a superior car. That is the normal state of affairs.
In his first year Hamilton had a car that was at least as good as the Ferrari. Without his team engaging in industrial espionage, it would have won the constructors' title.
In Hamilton's second year, he may have had a weaker team-mate, but again a car that was roughly the equal of the Ferrari, as is suggested by the tightness of the result for the drivers' title. And that time they were allowed to compete for the constructors' title. And to borrow a phrase from Jenson Button a few years later, the car in 2008 was "his".
By mentioning Alonso I was clearly talking about their respective rookie first seasons, I've no idea what you are talking about with Button?