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Vettel has never had a helpful teammate while going for a championship. I don't think he wants that now either. He's used to having to do it on merit or licking his wounds and trying again the next year.

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mikeyg123 wrote:Vettel's 2018 seems a lot like Hill's 95.

The revisionists will be out in force come the end of the season. "The SF71H wasn't a genuine title contender." "Mercedes had the strongest package over the season." "Vettel drove well to finish 2nd in the WDC against dominant Mercedes."


It's only a revision because you left out the bit about Ferrari having a strong start. The rest, as it turned out, is true.

The revising is already going on. The three races where Vettel hurt himself in the championship is modified to his having the car to win and throwing away the entire season with mistake after costly mistake. But I suppose revision keeps the forums busy. :D
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Ferrari should get Vettel ahead of Kimi.

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bourbon19 wrote:Vettel has never had a helpful teammate while going for a championship.

Yet he has always had a slow teammate. Webber was kinda quick in 2010 but not fast enough to challenge Vettel, reliability hurt Seb a lot that season.
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come on bottas, up the pace

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bourbon19 wrote:Vettel has never had a helpful teammate while going for a championship. I don't think he wants that now either. He's used to having to do it on merit or licking his wounds and trying again the next year.


Hungary 2017 they urgently pitted Kimi to stop him over cutting Vettel.

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Perez has won Formula B for the last three years and if things finish as they are now he will go back to the top of that table. Such a consistent high performer of the past 4 seasons.

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F1Tyrant wrote:
bourbon19 wrote:Vettel has never had a helpful teammate while going for a championship.

Yet he has always had a slow teammate. Webber was kinda quick in 2010 but not fast enough to challenge Vettel, reliability hurt Seb a lot that season.


That didn't stop Webber from refusing to assist Vettel when he had no chance at the championship or from driving aggressively against him at the starts (i.e., Brazil 12).

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Grand Chelem on?

EDIT: Petty from Vettel.
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F1Tyrant wrote:Grand Chelem on?

If the graphics are right, Vettel set the fastest lap in the penultimate lap

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mikeyg123 wrote:Perez has won Formula B for the last three years and if things finish as they are now he will go back to the top of that table. Such a consistent high performer of the past 4 seasons.


Completely agree. 1 of my drivers of the day!
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It would have looked pretty silly if Ferrari had made Raikkonen wait 30 odd seconds to let Seb past. Even Ferrari know it's game over.

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F1Tyrant wrote:Grand Chelem on?

EDIT: Petty from Vettel.

Since when has driving a car as fast as you can in F1 been a petty act?
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mikeyg123 wrote:Ferrari should get Vettel ahead of Kimi.

Does it really matter, it's done now, stick a fork in it.
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wolfticket wrote:Since when has driving a car as fast as you can in F1 been a petty act?

I'm being both extreme and a fanboy.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
wolfticket wrote:Since when has driving a car as fast as you can in F1 been a petty act?

I'm being both extreme and a fanboy.
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BMWSauber84 wrote:It would have looked pretty silly if Ferrari had made Raikkonen wait 30 odd seconds to let Seb past. Even Ferrari know it's game over.


Never going to happen. Kimi was not going to do it and Sebastian wouldn't ask. The championship is all but at an end, it would be farcical.

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F1Tyrant wrote:Grand Chelem on?

EDIT: Petty from Vettel.

Yep saved his tyres so he could do that
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Hamilton not out of breath post race for once. Easy win today

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wolfticket wrote:
F1Tyrant wrote:Grand Chelem on?

EDIT: Petty from Vettel.

Since when has driving a car as fast as you can in F1 been a petty act?

So why didn't he set fastest lap before that?
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pokerman wrote:Yep saved his tyres so he could do that

Hamilton's already got more than Vettel so ultimately his statistical supremacy remains.
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What does Verstappen mean by saying "Raikkonen should've waited for me at the chicane?"
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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Ferrari should get Vettel ahead of Kimi.

Does it really matter, it's done now, stick a fork in it.


Exactly. Raikkonen cruising round the last lap 30 seconds off the pace would have been humiliating for him for pretty much no reward.

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pokerman wrote:
wolfticket wrote:
F1Tyrant wrote:Grand Chelem on?

EDIT: Petty from Vettel.

Since when has driving a car as fast as you can in F1 been a petty act?

So why didn't he set fastest lap before that?


Wait, why shouldn't he have? Is he supposed to be worried about Hamilton's GC? Of course Vettel waited to make sure his car (which had damage) made it to the end, then took her for a spin without a single thought to anyone but himself.

Entertaining race on the whole. I don't wish that on Seb and Dan, but they really kept the race alive tonight. :thumbup:

UnlikeUday wrote:What does Verstappen mean by saying "Raikkonen should've waited for me at the chicane?"


He said this earlier too. I can only think he is dehydrated and unable to think straight at the moment. No driver is going to slow and pleasantly wait for you to regain the track after an off.
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Wow, looks like Hamilton is really going to need those 7 points from Russia, isn't he?
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- Undisputed dominance of Mercedes, their car looks stable and fast, as well as easiest to drive.
- I didn't know that you can turn into half side competitor, who duly keeps his inner line, and make him spin without penalty. In other words, interesting tactics.
- Ferrari lost it, clearly is not anymore top car.
- There are at least some half-fun battles midfield, as shown by the Japanese coverage.
- Renault also lost the development battles.
- I am not that sure anymore that Gasly and Leclerc are such a worthy inheritors of top seats, but time will tell.
- Alonso is annoying overly much.
- Again fun factor and excitement is missing F1.
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Such a better race than Russia. Japan always produces good racing.
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Exediron wrote:Wow, looks like Hamilton is really going to need those 7 points from Russia, isn't he?

First opportunity now I see Bottas given his win back, easy to say such things with hindsight.
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Lt. Drebin wrote:- Undisputed dominance of Mercedes, their car looks stable and fast, as well as easiest to drive.
- I didn't know that you can turn into half side competitor, who duly keeps his inner line, and make him spin without penalty. In other words, interesting tactics.
- Ferrari lost it, clearly is not anymore top car.
- There are at least some half-fun battles midfield, as shown by the Japanese coverage.
- Renault also lost the development battles.
- I am not that sure anymore that Gasly and Leclerc are such a worthy inheritors of top seats, but time will tell.
- Alonso is annoying overly much.
- Again fun factor and excitement is missing F1.

Yes let's just ignore all of Vettel's driving mistakes which also includes yesterdays qualifying and he had a collision in the race, just blame it all on Ferrari.
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pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:Wow, looks like Hamilton is really going to need those 7 points from Russia, isn't he?

First opportunity now I see Bottas given his win back, easy to say such things with hindsight.

It was easy to say it at the time, too. I'm not saying it with hindsight.
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pokerman wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:- Undisputed dominance of Mercedes, their car looks stable and fast, as well as easiest to drive.
- I didn't know that you can turn into half side competitor, who duly keeps his inner line, and make him spin without penalty. In other words, interesting tactics.
- Ferrari lost it, clearly is not anymore top car.
- There are at least some half-fun battles midfield, as shown by the Japanese coverage.
- Renault also lost the development battles.
- I am not that sure anymore that Gasly and Leclerc are such a worthy inheritors of top seats, but time will tell.
- Alonso is annoying overly much.
- Again fun factor and excitement is missing F1.

Yes let's just ignore all of Vettel's driving mistakes which also includes yesterdays qualifying and he had a collision in the race, just blame it all on Ferrari.

I didn't watch qualifications, so I can't even ignore it :lol: .
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That was as cozy of a win as Hamilton could ask for. The championship is over now. I'd lay odds 99% that Hamilton wins it. Well deserved too. No major errors all year and he has made the difference for Mercedes; winning races and controlling the championship while Ferrari had the stronger package.

Mercedes have upheld their end of the bargain too as they have now eclipsed Ferrari in development yet again. Ferrari are truly defeated and they will have to have doubts about whether they can hang with Mercedes for an entire season. We've seen two years in a row where they were in an extremely close battle for the championship before Mercedes pulled away in the later part of the season. Hamilton and Mercedes are truly making an assault on the record books and there's at least two more years where they will be up front. We'll see if Ferrari or Red Bull can overthrow them but Hamilton will firmly be the favorite going into next season.

For Vettel, this has been a train wreck of a season. At this stage, this season has to be considered the worst of his career or at least second worst (behind 2014). There are mistakes almost every session now and I can't help but wonder whether he's in a bad place psychologically. He's at the age when most drivers produce their best performance level; combining their talent and speed with the savvy and experience that they didn't have as youngsters. Instead he seems more shaky and impatient than ever before.

He'll need to have a good off-season to get away from the scrutiny and the cameras for a while and hit the reset button because this season has been a disaster. I think having Leclerc come to the team might light a fire under him. The alternative is that it could spell the end of his time at Ferrari. Make no mistake, if Charles gets the better of him, Vettel will be let go after his contract is up.

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UnlikeUday wrote:What does Verstappen mean by saying "Raikkonen should've waited for me at the chicane?"
He means that when he is on track, all others should make way. It's simply arrogance.
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sandman1347 wrote:UnlikeUday it doesn't get said enough but good work on always posting the info on tires, times, etc. It's much appreciated.


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Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:Wow, looks like Hamilton is really going to need those 7 points from Russia, isn't he?

First opportunity now I see Bottas given his win back, easy to say such things with hindsight.

It was easy to say it at the time, too. I'm not saying it with hindsight.


I’ve said it at the time too, Hamilton has got the 2007 championship won.

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Why are they throwing a VSC every time a car is parked directly in front of a gap in the barrier. In dry weather surely that can be covered with double yellows. They have done 3-4 times this year but also not done it on other occasions.

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pokerman wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:- Undisputed dominance of Mercedes, their car looks stable and fast, as well as easiest to drive.
- I didn't know that you can turn into half side competitor, who duly keeps his inner line, and make him spin without penalty. In other words, interesting tactics.
- Ferrari lost it, clearly is not anymore top car.
- There are at least some half-fun battles midfield, as shown by the Japanese coverage.
- Renault also lost the development battles.
- I am not that sure anymore that Gasly and Leclerc are such a worthy inheritors of top seats, but time will tell.
- Alonso is annoying overly much.
- Again fun factor and excitement is missing F1.

Yes let's just ignore all of Vettel's driving mistakes which also includes yesterdays qualifying and he had a collision in the race, just blame it all on Ferrari.


It is not a mistake to pass Max. It is bogus to say that people trying to win championships should not try to pass Max. I would rather Vettel never win a championship rather than tip toe around Max because he drives like a wild man. In any case, he will learn only when he himself goes for a championship and others are out there carelessly getting into racing incidents with him.

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Johnson wrote:Why are they throwing a VSC every time a car is parked directly in front of a gap in the barrier. In dry weather surely that can be covered with double yellows. They have done 3-4 times this year but also not done it on other occasions.
What is more, they show a caption saying 'Hazard on track, ..." whch is simply not true.
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Johnson wrote:Why are they throwing a VSC every time a car is parked directly in front of a gap in the barrier. In dry weather surely that can be covered with double yellows. They have done 3-4 times this year but also not done it on other occasions.

After Bianchi they are taking no chances here.

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If Hamilton wins in Austin, Vettel must finish second to take the title fight on to the Mexican GP
If Hamilton finishes second, Vettel must finish fourth
If Hamilton finishes third, Vettel must finish sixth
If Hamilton finishes fourth, Vettel must finish seventh
If Hamilton finishes fifth, Vettel must finish eighth
If Hamilton finishes sixth, Vettel must finish ninth
If Hamilton finishes seventh or lower, the title race goes on to Mexico

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