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Have there been any replays on Kimi being blocked on his last run in Q3? The Renaults I heard?

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Covalent wrote:Have there been any replays on Kimi being blocked on his last run in Q3? The Renaults I heard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh9eJHhhuIQ
Not exactly a replay

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pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
sandman1347 wrote: At this point it's obvious Hamilton put in a ferocious lap in qualifying there while Vettel wasn't particularly comfortable all weekend. Nothing new in this forum. Even last year we had several posters acting like the Mercedes was still at 2014 levels of dominance. People are slow to take in new information.
It's not obvious at all. Lewis looked comfortably to have pace in hand in Australia, whereas here in Bahrain he doesn't. So you can either take the view that he performed superhuman feats in Australia, but for some reason couldn't replicate that here, or you can take the view that in Australia the Merc was the better car, while it doesn't look like that in Bahrain. Either way there's no conclusive evidence that he put in a ferocious lap (although in all fairness he could well have done) and I for one am unconvinced that someone could better their own time by 6 tenths unless a) something material changed in the car, or b) they weren't really trying up to that point and the car had plenty of pace in hand.

Vettel improved by nearly half a second on his Q2 time in Bahrain and, while I think he did pretty well, I don't think he performed any miracles here today, either. Her did well to pip an apparently on-form Kimi to pole but I'm not blowing it out of proportion.
The reference would be a F1 expert, ex F1 driver, not a random forumer.
Because they are never biased. And always right
Oh that must be it, British and biased.
Are you suggesting that's unlikely to be a factor?

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They released Kimi really late, it ruined his warm up lap because he had traffic ahead of him but also only about 10 seconds to make the line before the session ended. He was not happy at all about this.

Also, why didn’t Mercedes run Bottas last in the session and have him abort his lap literally on the finish line - if he couldn’t improve his position. This would have made Hamilton 8th.

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lamo wrote:They released Kimi really late, it ruined his warm up lap because he had traffic ahead of him but also only about 10 seconds to make the line before the session ended. He was not happy at all about this.

Also, why didn’t Mercedes run Bottas last in the session and have him abort his lap literally on the finish line - if he couldn’t improve his position. This would have made Hamilton 8th.
Well, he was only two hundredths behind Kimi, to be fair. I doubt they would have known he wouldn't improve until after he crossed the line. He only missed 2nd place by a whisker.

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UnlikeUday wrote:Is:
Gasly that good OR
Toro Rosso that good OR
Honda that good?
Toro Rosso have a history of cranking out drivers such as Vettel, Ricciardo, and Verstappen. Do not ignore the simple fact that the Red Bull driver program is the best of all the teams. Gasly is that good.
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Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote: It's not obvious at all. Lewis looked comfortably to have pace in hand in Australia, whereas here in Bahrain he doesn't. So you can either take the view that he performed superhuman feats in Australia, but for some reason couldn't replicate that here, or you can take the view that in Australia the Merc was the better car, while it doesn't look like that in Bahrain. Either way there's no conclusive evidence that he put in a ferocious lap (although in all fairness he could well have done) and I for one am unconvinced that someone could better their own time by 6 tenths unless a) something material changed in the car, or b) they weren't really trying up to that point and the car had plenty of pace in hand.

Vettel improved by nearly half a second on his Q2 time in Bahrain and, while I think he did pretty well, I don't think he performed any miracles here today, either. Her did well to pip an apparently on-form Kimi to pole but I'm not blowing it out of proportion.
The reference would be a F1 expert, ex F1 driver, not a random forumer.
Because they are never biased. And always right
Oh that must be it, British and biased.
Are you suggesting that's unlikely to be a factor?
It seems like it's always a factor.
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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:Is:
Gasly that good OR
Toro Rosso that good OR
Honda that good?
Toro Rosso have a history of cranking out drivers such as Vettel, Ricciardo, and Verstappen. Do not ignore the simple fact that the Red Bull driver program is the best of all the teams. Gasly is that good.
Better than Alonso?
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pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote: The reference would be a F1 expert, ex F1 driver, not a random forumer.
Because they are never biased. And always right
Oh that must be it, British and biased.
Are you suggesting that's unlikely to be a factor?
It seems like it's always a factor.
if it's the same people then they are not likely to change from week to week, are they?

Point is simply that just because a former driver says something doesn't make it automatically true. They're as susceptible to bias as anyone. There have been more than one or two threads with people complaining about SKY bias, for example. It's hardly something new and i don't think the appeal to authority is the clincher you seem to feel it is

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lamo wrote:Fair enough, he always tends to down play how far they are behind and always how far they are ahead.

Verstappen and Ricciardo available at 14/1 to win, crazy odds.

https://www.bet365.com/#/AC/B10/C205774 ... 717337/F2/

Just put £50 on each and I'm not even a gambler. Seems like great value.
:lol: :lol:

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lamo wrote:Fair enough, he always tends to down play how far they are behind and always how far they are ahead.

Verstappen and Ricciardo available at 14/1 to win, crazy odds.

https://www.bet365.com/#/AC/B10/C205774 ... 717337/F2/

Just put £50 on each and I'm not even a gambler. Seems like great value.
Well that didn't work out too well for ya, Lamo.

Remind me not to go the casino with you!

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pokerman wrote:
Blinky McSquinty wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:Is:
Gasly that good OR
Toro Rosso that good OR
Honda that good?
Toro Rosso have a history of cranking out drivers such as Vettel, Ricciardo, and Verstappen. Do not ignore the simple fact that the Red Bull driver program is the best of all the teams. Gasly is that good.
Better than Alonso?
Interesting.. different .. Alonso has only a few years left in F1, Gasly at the beginning of his career...
bear in mind Alonso did win both his F1 title in a car with mass dampers !

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Oasis wrote:
lamo wrote:Fair enough, he always tends to down play how far they are behind and always how far they are ahead.

Verstappen and Ricciardo available at 14/1 to win, crazy odds.

https://www.bet365.com/#/AC/B10/C205774 ... 717337/F2/

Just put £50 on each and I'm not even a gambler. Seems like great value.
:lol: :lol:

Someone is down 100 pounds for sure. :lol:

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Edit - wrong thread

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sandman1347 wrote:
Covalent wrote:Have there been any replays on Kimi being blocked on his last run in Q3? The Renaults I heard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh9eJHhhuIQ
Not exactly a replay
Video removed I´m afraid.

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