Fiki wrote:Senna, on appeal, was indeed given a punishment for his overtaking style.
Politics at the time, especially when these 2 were involved were all kinds of fun, as you well know.
I find your conclusion rather amusing. Ramirez confirms that Senna was going too fast, so he couldn't make a great overtake. He could only get past Prost, if Prost got out of the way, and then block Prost one way or another, while he (Senna) was sorting himself out. In fact, sorting himself out might have been enough to block Prost from making a switchback, but that is not overtaking.
That's up there with some of the best obfuscation i've ever read on here, if Senna gets ahead of Prost, and makes the corner, it's an overtake wether or not it holds up to whatever imaginary standard you are attempting to compare this to.
My question for Ramirez remains; it is one thing to tell Prost he should not have closed the door on Senna. Quite another to explain what he should have done to retain first place; which was rightly his.
This says it all about your inherent bias on the issue really, how can first place be 'rightfully' Prost's if the only way he could retain it was to turn in on Senna, causing an accident?
In 1988 Senna lost a victory because of a tangle in a Monza chicane. And that driver was trying to avoid him! I know Schlesser wasn't Prost, but the Suzuka chicane was incredibly tight.
And this is relevant how?
As for Senna overtaking anyway because he was quicker; that is not a given. Prost had had a Gurney flap taken off the car, just before the start. That meant higher speed on straights, lower downforce for the corners. That is why Prost knew Senna would have to make a desperate attempt at the chicane or turn 1.
Prost wasn't interested in pole position just for the sake of it; he worked on the race set-up of his car throughout the weekend, including the Sunday morning warm-up and even the few laps the cars could do between the opening of the pitlane and forming up on the grid. Whether there was time enough for Senna to copy Prost's car change, I don't know. But it made for a substantial difference between the two cars, and determined the outcome of the race.
Thats a lot of dancing around the real point here, if Prost doesn't turn in, there is no accident. Then either Senna makes the corner, and regardless of what you'd like to believe, would have been a good overtake, or Senna doesn't make the corner, and Prost carries on in first while Senna at least loses time off the track, or comes off worse after a trip across the chicane.