Barcelona Testing

Need4Naiim · Post by **Need4Naiim** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:27 pm

VDV23 wrote:
Uffman wrote:Massa and Kimi did fast times on super-soft tyre
1 Felipe Massa Williams 1m23.262s
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m23.276s +0.014
Still long way from Merc
Roll on 2016

According to my calculations, 1m23.100s is reachable by Felipe Nasr with Sauber. Thus, nothing is finished yet. Sure we know who is the leading team but the gap is closeable enough within a year by Honda and Ferrari regarding lap times. Reliability is another story though.

Schumacher forever#1 · Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:27 pm

VDV23 wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Uffman wrote:Massa and Kimi did fast times on super-soft tyre
1 Felipe Massa Williams 1m23.262s
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m23.276s +0.014
Still long way from Merc
Roll on 2016
The rules are the same next year. Merc likely to be the dominant force for at least another two seasons.
Roll on 2020

Hopefully the Mchonda will produce a race winning car by the end of the season. Doubt anyone else will likely catch up, maybe ferrari.

A2jdl · Post by **A2jdl** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:30 pm

VDV23 wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Uffman wrote:Massa and Kimi did fast times on super-soft tyre
1 Felipe Massa Williams 1m23.262s
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m23.276s +0.014
Still long way from Merc
Roll on 2016
The rules are the same next year. Merc likely to be the dominant force for at least another two seasons.
Roll on 2020

Then they will change the rules, so Merc could be out in front again for another 4 yrs

dogboy · Post by **dogboy** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:47 pm

Hamilton missing more track time this week.

Doesnt mind,is between him and nico...another gifted championship beetween two guys,like redbull era.

Laura23 · Post by **Laura23** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:00 pm

dogboy wrote:
Hamilton missing more track time this week.
Doesnt mind,is between him and nico...another gifted championship beetween two guys,like redbull era.

Alonso won his titles racing just one guy as well, 2005 against Raikkonen in an unreliable McLaren and 2006 against Schumacher. If his McHonda didn't break down all the time and was as dominant as the Mercs I doubt we'd hear a cheep out of you about things being gifted...

Aussie Grit · Post by **Aussie Grit** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:09 pm

Almost Into the 1:22's on softs.. Wow.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:14 pm

VDV23 wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Uffman wrote:Massa and Kimi did fast times on super-soft tyre
1 Felipe Massa Williams 1m23.262s
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m23.276s +0.014
Still long way from Merc
Roll on 2016
The rules are the same next year. Merc likely to be the dominant force for at least another two seasons.
Roll on 2020

No there is a change for 2017

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:15 pm

dogboy wrote:
Hamilton missing more track time this week.
Doesnt mind,is between him and nico...another gifted championship beetween two guys,like redbull era.

F1 has always been mainly about the car

dizlexik · Post by **dizlexik** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:17 pm

pokerman wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Uffman wrote:Massa and Kimi did fast times on super-soft tyre
1 Felipe Massa Williams 1m23.262s
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m23.276s +0.014
Still long way from Merc
Roll on 2016
The rules are the same next year. Merc likely to be the dominant force for at least another two seasons.
Roll on 2020
No there is a change for 2017

So since 2017 other team will dominate

InBetween · Post by **InBetween** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:20 pm

Laura23 wrote:
dogboy wrote:
Hamilton missing more track time this week.
Doesnt mind,is between him and nico...another gifted championship beetween two guys,like redbull era.
Alonso won his titles racing just one guy as well, 2005 against Raikkonen in an unreliable McLaren and 2006 against Schumacher. If his McHonda didn't break down all the time and was as dominant as the Mercs I doubt we'd hear a cheep out of you about things being gifted...

Many, if not most, disputed F1 titles were ultimately won in a 2 driver battle. I dont really get the point you are trying make.

That isn't the issue, the issue is having such a dominant team that, barring a major turn of events, will totally dominate the sport for 3-4 years if not more. This will be even worse than the RB era where at least Ferrari took the fight to the last race two times, something that appears to be painfully impossible this year same as it was last year.

Quite frankly, given the experience in 2014, I am not really looking forward to the "santized" and politically correct "non" battle between LH and NR. LH will win easily enough, the only thing that made it close last year were LH's reliability issues and the current ridiculous point system.

If you are a LH fan I can understand you looking forward to a season like this, but any F1 fan in general can't be happy with the way 2015 is starting to look. I don't recall that being the case neither in 2005 nor in 2006 preseason where, quite the contrary, expectations were rather high as far as I recall.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:36 pm

dizlexik wrote:
pokerman wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Roll on 2016
The rules are the same next year. Merc likely to be the dominant force for at least another two seasons.
Roll on 2020
No there is a change for 2017
So since 2017 other team will dominate

Well i don't have a crystal ball but Mercedes will still be strong

dizlexik · Post by **dizlexik** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:05 pm

pokerman wrote: Well i don't have a crystal ball but Mercedes will still be strong

I have crystal ball, but it's always wrong

I wonder how many teams were able to maintain dominance through big rule change? From what I remember recently in past 20 years it's 0. Of course Mercedes can still be very good, but there is huge difference between being very good and winning titles. Another thing is whether new rules will change much of design and whether the change will actually happen.

Mercedes-Benz · Post by **Mercedes-Benz** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:18 pm

If Ferrari can reach Williams level I will be surprised. Hope they can fight for podium

FI probably did more laps than Mclaren in the testing in just 2 days

Flash2k11 · Post by **Flash2k11** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:46 pm

Need4Naiim wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Uffman wrote:Massa and Kimi did fast times on super-soft tyre
1 Felipe Massa Williams 1m23.262s
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m23.276s +0.014
Still long way from Merc
Roll on 2016
According to my calculations, 1m23.100s is reachable by Felipe Nasr with Sauber. Thus, nothing is finished yet. Sure we know who is the leading team but the gap is closeable enough within a year by Honda and Ferrari regarding lap times. Reliability is another story though.

According to my calculations, you appear to be talking out of your behind.

Gumption · Post by **Gumption** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:53 pm

This season would be more exciting if the main deciding factor in the cars (engine) wasn't restricted for development during the season. At least when Red Bull had dominant runs, any team smart enough could copy it. Not with these engine rules. It's sad knowing who will be WDC and WCC before the first race weekend.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:11 pm

dizlexik wrote:
pokerman wrote: Well i don't have a crystal ball but Mercedes will still be strong
I have crystal ball, but it's always wrong

I wonder how many teams were able to maintain dominance through big rule change? From what I remember recently in past 20 years it's 0. Of course Mercedes can still be very good, but there is huge difference between being very good and winning titles. Another thing is whether new rules will change much of design and whether the change will actually happen.

I think it's looking likely that there is going to be 1,000HP PU's, much wider rear tyres and talk of more downforce as well, although i'm not a big fan of too much downforce and seeing cars glued to the track, also it creates too much wake and makes it harder for a car to keep close in a corner and thus makes overtaking a lot harder.

pokerman · Post by **pokerman** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:16 pm

Gumption wrote:This season would be more exciting if the main deciding factor in the cars (engine) wasn't restricted for development during the season. At least when Red Bull had dominant runs, any team smart enough could copy it. Not with these engine rules. It's sad knowing who will be WDC and WCC before the first race weekend.

Thanks to the deadline loophole engines will be improved during the season until all the 32 tokens are used, the development restrictions were put there to stop a spending war, there are already complaints that the engines are too expensive.

spronkey · Post by **spronkey** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:04 pm

The whole cost reduction debate is a bit lame when they dish out prize money so asymmetrically. Maybe if they redistributed it much more evenly, with the winning teams only getting a small percentage more than the back markers, we wouldn't need to control costs so much.

But regardless, wasn't the W05 was the single most dominating car of all time? Ferrari of the early 2000s, the Brawn 001, and Red Bull of the past few years weren't even close to the performance differential that the Merc had last year.

This engine freeze rule is dumb. There are plenty of other ways to reduce costs in the extravagant F1 world.

Exediron · Post by **Exediron** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:16 pm

spronkey wrote:But regardless, wasn't the W05 was the single most dominating car of all time? Ferrari of the early 2000s, the Brawn 001, and Red Bull of the past few years weren't even close to the performance differential that the Merc had last year.

Depends on how you measure it, but probably not. Most dominant of recent history certainly, but if you look back into the 60s and 50s cars with an advantage of multiple seconds a lap weren't all that rare - the difference is that they were balanced out by terrible reliability, so even with the most dominant cars you always knew someone else would manage to sneak a win or two when they ran into trouble.

Probably the most recent car that was faster relative to its competition would be the Williams FW14B, which was capable of qualifying as much as 3 seconds ahead of the nearest other car - and that car driven by Ayrton Senna, mind you.

hk77 · Post by **hk77** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:21 pm

Lets hope the FIA intervenes like the did in 02 & 04 , so as to balance the field a bit.

other wise ,
judging from rosberg's lap, the final podium place will be the main event.

Need4Naiim · Post by **Need4Naiim** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:41 pm

Flash2k11 wrote:
Need4Naiim wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Uffman wrote:Massa and Kimi did fast times on super-soft tyre
1 Felipe Massa Williams 1m23.262s
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m23.276s +0.014
Still long way from Merc
Roll on 2016
According to my calculations, 1m23.100s is reachable by Felipe Nasr with Sauber. Thus, nothing is finished yet. Sure we know who is the leading team but the gap is closeable enough within a year by Honda and Ferrari regarding lap times. Reliability is another story though.
According to my calculations, you appear to be talking out of your behind.

Because you are way behind now.

Exediron · Post by **Exediron** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:43 pm

Need4Naiim wrote:Because you are way behind now.

What was the calculation you did? Combined sectors, or was it more of an estimate? And if you can apply it to the other cars, what sort of ultimate pace do you get for the rest?

FringeUK · Post by **FringeUK** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:56 pm

InBetween wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
dogboy wrote:
Hamilton missing more track time this week.
Doesnt mind,is between him and nico...another gifted championship beetween two guys,like redbull era.
Alonso won his titles racing just one guy as well, 2005 against Raikkonen in an unreliable McLaren and 2006 against Schumacher. If his McHonda didn't break down all the time and was as dominant as the Mercs I doubt we'd hear a cheep out of you about things being gifted...
Many, if not most, disputed F1 titles were ultimately won in a 2 driver battle. I dont really get the point you are trying make.

That isn't the issue, the issue is having such a dominant team that, barring a major turn of events, will totally dominate the sport for 3-4 years if not more. This will be even worse than the RB era where at least Ferrari took the fight to the last race two times, something that appears to be painfully impossible this year same as it was last year.

Quite frankly, given the experience in 2014, I am not really looking forward to the "santized" and politically correct "non" battle between LH and NR. LH will win easily enough, the only thing that made it close last year were LH's reliability issues and the current ridiculous point system.

If you are a LH fan I can understand you looking forward to a season like this, but any F1 fan in general can't be happy with the way 2015 is starting to look. I don't recall that being the case neither in 2005 nor in 2006 preseason where, quite the contrary, expectations were rather high as far as I recall.

I would agree with your general sentiment in that I would like to see a couple of teams ding-donging for the wins rather than just a couple of drivers. However, we have to accept that Merc have done a great job, not only with their PU but designing the car for such a PU - and remember they were in the dumps whilst they 'developed' up to this point. I'm not a fan of outright dominance - but in the words of Horner, when RBR were eating up the field, and I'm paraphrasing, 'it's up to the others to improve'. So, yeah, this year may well be another walkover (ok, it almost certainly WILL be!) - but it is up to the others to improve. Certainly the likes of Williams should be able to jump up a few tenths given they have the same PU and seemed to have a good 'base' car last year. I would love to see Sauber having real pace too - but I'm guessing their recent testing pace is glory seeking?
So long as we do see some genuine racing through the field, I will still enjoy the season - and if we see some proper battles between Ham and Ros that will also make it one to enjoy. Just my view.....
Roll on Melbourne - can't come soon enough for me, as I want see the likely real pecking order.

Aussie Grit · Post by **Aussie Grit** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:09 am

This is it, last test is on its way, should see some quick times.

Flash2k11 · Post by **Flash2k11** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:13 am

Need4Naiim wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:
Need4Naiim wrote:
VDV23 wrote:
Uffman wrote:Massa and Kimi did fast times on super-soft tyre
1 Felipe Massa Williams 1m23.262s
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m23.276s +0.014
Still long way from Merc
Roll on 2016
According to my calculations, 1m23.100s is reachable by Felipe Nasr with Sauber. Thus, nothing is finished yet. Sure we know who is the leading team but the gap is closeable enough within a year by Honda and Ferrari regarding lap times. Reliability is another story though.
According to my calculations, you appear to be talking out of your behind.
Because you are way behind now.

You have absolutely no way of determining with any accuracy what possible lap time the Sauber is capable of, so attempting to speak about this with any authority is disingenuous on every level. Not entirely sure who you are trying to convince here mate.

Need4Naiim · Post by **Need4Naiim** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:48 am

Flash2k11 wrote:
Need4Naiim wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:
Need4Naiim wrote:According to my calculations, 1m23.100s is reachable by Felipe Nasr with Sauber. Thus, nothing is finished yet. Sure we know who is the leading team but the gap is closeable enough within a year by Honda and Ferrari regarding lap times. Reliability is another story though.
According to my calculations, you appear to be talking out of your behind.
Because you are way behind now.
You have absolutely no way of determining with any accuracy what possible lap time the Sauber is capable of, so attempting to speak about this with any authority is disingenuous on every level. Not entirely sure who you are trying to convince here mate.

Convince? convince for what? Nothing will change for Sauber if you didn't/won't believe my claims.

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I don't wait for a Ferrari very low fuel run before Melbourne. They should save more than one card before the season start.

A2jdl · Post by **A2jdl** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:24 am

Whats wrong with Mclaren today, have they run out of spares ??

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:26 am

A2jdl wrote:Whats wrong with Mclaren today, have they run out of spares ??

09:00 @McLarenF1 "Bit of a delay with today's programme, the team are running some system checks, but hope to be out later this morning…"

A2jdl · Post by **A2jdl** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:33 am

Clarky wrote:
A2jdl wrote:Whats wrong with Mclaren today, have they run out of spares ??

09:00 @McLarenF1 "Bit of a delay with today's programme, the team are running some system checks, but hope to be out later this morning…"

is that a code, for the car is still broken ?

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:38 am

A2jdl wrote:
Clarky wrote:
A2jdl wrote:Whats wrong with Mclaren today, have they run out of spares ??

09:00 @McLarenF1 "Bit of a delay with today's programme, the team are running some system checks, but hope to be out later this morning…"
is that a code, for the car is still broken ?

Possibly.

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:45 am

Bottas 1:23.063 on the Super-soft

Still slower than Hamilton's Soft run yesterday despite it being warmer today.

TheGiantHogweed · Post by **TheGiantHogweed** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:52 am

Are these times here correct?

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 16847.html

If they are then Kimi Raikkonen should be in 8th place. I just am not sure which one to trust as that is the official F1 page and it could be incorrect.
I am just wondering why all the other drivers times are in order other than Kimi's.
There could be a reason so I could be wrong.

spronkey · Post by **spronkey** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:07 am

TheGiantHogweed wrote:Are these times here correct?

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 16847.html

If they are then Kimi Raikkonen should be in 8th place. I just am not sure which one to trust as that is the official F1 page and it could be incorrect.
I am just wondering why all the other drivers times are in order other than Kimi's.
There could be a reason so I could be wrong.

It's a typo, should read 1.23 not 1.25

nixxxon · Post by **nixxxon** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:17 am

Don't worry THAT much guys.

If in this 2015 season Mercedes remain as dominant, F1/FIA will make sure they make all the possible regulation changes to stop/hinder Mercedes in 2016 (because two highly dominating seasons is more than enough). They've always done that and they will keep on doing it for the good of the show and the competition.

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:59 am

Autosport wrote:McLaren had a sensor problem, which required the engine to be taken out, hence the delay. #F1

RunningMan · Post by **RunningMan** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:00 pm

So McLaren had a sensor problem, which required the whole engine to be taken out?
Did they just clock out at the end of testing yesterday and clock back in and the beginning of testing today?

I find it really weird how they only just found the problem this morning

ReservoirDog · Post by **ReservoirDog** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:37 pm

I never would've though Honda would be such a disgrace. I didn't expect them to make a good engine, but this is worse than I ever expected.

Aussie Grit · Post by **Aussie Grit** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:21 pm

Maldonado into the barriers, looks like a front wing and steering fix. nothing major.

Edit: Redbull have flown in a new car apparently.

nixxxon · Post by **nixxxon** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:58 pm

ReservoirDog wrote:I never would've though Honda would be such a disgrace. I didn't expect them to make a good engine, but this is worse than I ever expected.

It's youth problems. Honda engine apparently (if the rumours are true) is already more powerful than the Ferrari/Renault engine, and has similar figures as the 2014 spec Mercedes.

Option or Prime · Post by **Option or Prime** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:22 pm

If that is true here is an interesting question, would you, as an F1 driver, prefer a fast but unreliable PU or an average reliable one?