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Author:  tim3003 [ Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:36 pm ]
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USA:

Mercedes - p and 6
Ferrari - p and 6
Red Bull - p and 6
Renault - 10 and f
Haas - f and f
Mclaren - 10 and f
Racing Point - f and nf
Alfa Romeo - 10 and f
Toro Rosso - 10 and f
Williams - f and f

Author:  P-F1 Mod [ Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:51 pm ]
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I think I got 19, and I make that my highest score of the year!

Author:  tim3003 [ Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:26 pm ]
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2019 F1 Team Pick Championship Round 19

USA Grand Prix Result









Mercedes1, p
Ferrari6, nf
Red Bullp, 6
Renault6, 10
Haasf, f
McLaren10, 10
Racing Point10, f
Alfa Romeof, f
Toro Rossof, f
Williamsf, nf


USA Grand Prix Points Table










Pos.PlayerRace pts
1 PF-1 Mod 18
1 Charles Le Brad 18
3 Robins13 17
4Exediron 16
4Remmirath 16
6Icemanjee115
7Tim3003 14
8Jenson's Understeer13
9Herb10


It was a lacklustre Ferrari performance, so in general those who played safe and had Mercedes to win scored well. However as the only one to get Kubica's non-finish PF1-Mod scores a first win, shared with Charles LeBrad for getting 3 other teams right too. Charles alone got Renault correct this time. Mclaren and Renault's double points finishes helped many, however Kvyat's last lap penalty which cost him 10th place lost everyone 2pts.

Overall Charles Le Brad recovers 2nd place after a poor race for Tim003 and Jenson's Understeer. Herb drops to 6th, leap-frogged by Icemanjee1 and Robins13. With the table closing up it's conceivable that any of the top 6 could win!

Overall Points Table












Pos.PlayerTotal ptsWinsPodiums
1 Tim3003 276 3 7
2 Charles LeBrad 271 6 5
3 Jenson's Understeer 269 4 4
4Icemanjee126416
4Robins1326434
6Herb26032
7Exediron25424
8Remmirath24834
9P-F1 Mod24111
10Black_Flag_116310
11Jezza13500


Round 20 is the Brazilian Grand Prix on November 17th.

Author:  Charles LeBrad [ Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:00 pm ]
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Brazil

Mercedes 1 P
Ferrari P 6
Red Bull 6 10
Mclaren 10 10
Renault 10 6
Toro Rosso F F
Alfa F F
Racing Point F F
Haas F F
Williams F F

Author:  P-F1 Mod [ Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:06 am ]
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Brazil

Mercedes 1 P
Ferrari 6 6
Red Bull P 6
Mclaren 10 10
Renault 10 NF
Toro Rosso 10 F
Alfa F NF
Racing Point F NF
Haas F NF
Williams NF F

Author:  Herb [ Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:54 pm ]
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Brazil

Mercedes P P
Ferrari 6 6
Red Bull 1 6
Mclaren 10 10
Renault 10 NF
Toro Rosso NF F
Alfa NF NF
Racing Point F NF
Haas 10 NF
Williams F F

Author:  Jenson's Understeer [ Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:56 pm ]
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Brazil

Mercedes: 1 P
Red Bull: P 6
Ferrari: 6 6
McLaren: 10 10
Renault: 10 F
Toro Rosso: F F
Alfa Romeo: F F
Racing Point: 10 F
Haas: F F
Williams: F F

Author:  Exediron [ Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:26 am ]
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MERCEDES - 1 / p
FERRARI - 6 / 6
RED BULL - p / 6
RENAULT - 10 / F
HAAS - F / NF
McLAREN - 10 / NF
RACING POINT - 10 / F
ALFA ROMEO - F / F
TORO ROSSO - 10 / F
WILLIAMS - F / F

Author:  Remmirath [ Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:00 am ]
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Brazilian Grand Prix:

MERCEDES: p / 6
RED BULL: p / 6
FERRARI : 1 / 6
McLAREN: 10 / 10
RENAULT: 10 / nf
TORO ROSSO: 10 / nf
ALFA ROMEO: f / f
RACING POINT: f / f
HAAS: f / nf
WILLIAMS: f / nf

Author:  robins13 [ Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:37 am ]
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MERCEDES - 1 / p
FERRARI - p / 6
RED BULL - p / 6
RENAULT - 10 / F
HAAS - F / NF
McLAREN - 10 / 10
RACING POINT - 10 / F
ALFA ROMEO - F / F
TORO ROSSO - 10 / F
WILLIAMS - F / NF

Author:  Icemanjee1 [ Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:20 pm ]
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Brazil

Mercedes - 1 and p
Ferrari - p and 6
Red Bull - p and 6
Renault - 10 and f
Haas - f and nf
Mclaren - 10 and 10
Racing Point - 10 and f
Alfa Romeo - 10 and f
Toro Rosso - 10 and f
Williams - f and f

Author:  tim3003 [ Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:38 pm ]
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Brazil:

Mercedes - p and p
Ferrari - 1 and 6
Red Bull - p and 6
Renault - 10 and f
Haas - f and f
Mclaren - 10 and f
Racing Point - f and f
Alfa Romeo - 10 and f
Toro Rosso - 10 and f
Williams - f and f

Author:  tim3003 [ Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:10 am ]
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2019 F1 Team Pick Championship Round 20

Brazilian Grand Prix Result









Mercedes10, nf
Ferrarif, f
Red Bull1, f
Renault6, f
Haasf, f
McLarenp, 10
Racing Point10, f
Alfa Romeo6, 6
Toro Rossop, 10
Williamsf, f


Brazilian Grand Prix Points Table










Pos.PlayerRace pts
1 Jenson's Understeer 11
2 Icemanjee1 10
2 Tim3003 10
2 Exediron 10
5Charles Le Brad 9
6Robins138
7Herb 6
8PF-1 Mod5
8Remmirath5



After a chaotic last few laps for the leading teams Brazil was not surprisingly a low scoring race. Only Herb scored even 1 point for the top 3 teams, going for a Verstappen win. Otherwise with many of the middle order teams inheriting top 6 and podium places it came down to who scored highest with the lower order finishers. Jenson's Understeer did best with Haas, Racing Point and Williams correct, and took the win. The three players tied for 2nd place got 2 of those 3 teams right. Charles LeBrad did too, but missed out completely with Torro Rosso.

Overall Jenson's Understeer ties Charles Le Brad's for 2nd place but Tim003 maintains a good lead. Icemanjee1 moves clear of Robins13 in 4th.

Overall Points Table












Pos.PlayerTotal ptsWinsPodiums
1 Tim3003 286 3 8
2 Charles LeBrad 280 6 5
2 Jenson's Understeer 280 5 4
4Icemanjee127417
5Robins1327234
6Herb26632
7Exediron26424
8Remmirath25334
9P-F1 Mod24611
10Black_Flag_116310
11Jezza13500


Round 21, the final round, is the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix on December 1st.

As I'm in contention, could someone who's not in the top 4 volunteer to accept the forecasts of the top 4 - Tim3003, Charles LeBrad, Jenson's Understeer, Icemanjee1 - via personal message please? If you then just post them some time after the race has started I'll then score it as usual.

Author:  P-F1 Mod [ Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:17 pm ]
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Ferrari and Stroll, though classified, are listed as DNF on the FIA results, is that relevant?

I'll take the results if you want.

Author:  tim3003 [ Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:39 pm ]
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P-F1 Mod wrote:
Ferrari and Stroll, though classified, are listed as DNF on the FIA results, is that relevant?

I'll take the results if you want.


Thanks for that.

Re the Brazil results: on the FIA site, both Ferraris and Stroll are classified, despite being listed as DNF. My thinking was that this effectively makes them finishers. This (I think) is the rule I have used in all races so far. See Germany where Bottas was NF but Gasly was F in P14, despite both being DNF.

https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2019/races/1019/brazil/race-result.html

According to Wikipedia the rule is that any driver completing 90% of race distance is classified.

Author:  Exediron [ Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:58 pm ]
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It highlights how out of date and terrible the 'classified finishers' rule is. Back in The Day -- when less than the number of points positions would often finish a Grand Prix -- it made sense. Now, it does little except for muddy the statistics. Nobody thinks of someone who made it 90% of the way through a GP as having done something special these days.

Author:  tim3003 [ Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:01 pm ]
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Exediron wrote:
It highlights how out of date and terrible the 'classified finishers' rule is. Back in The Day -- when less than the number of points positions would often finish a Grand Prix -- it made sense. Now, it does little except for muddy the statistics. Nobody thinks of someone who made it 90% of the way through a GP as having done something special these days.


In Spain 2001 Hakkinen retired from the lead on the last lap and was classified 9th, a lap down but first of the lapped runners. Those points could have made a difference in the championship had it happened today.

The problem is, if you scrap 90%, where does the cut-off go? 95%, 98%. There are often finishers 2 or 3 laps down...

Author:  Exediron [ Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:03 pm ]
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tim3003 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
It highlights how out of date and terrible the 'classified finishers' rule is. Back in The Day -- when less than the number of points positions would often finish a Grand Prix -- it made sense. Now, it does little except for muddy the statistics. Nobody thinks of someone who made it 90% of the way through a GP as having done something special these days.


In Spain 2001 Hakkinen retired from the lead on the last lap and was classified 9th, a lap down but first of the lapped runners. Those points could have made a difference in the championship had it happened today.
The problem is, if you scrap 90%, where does the cut-off go? 95%, 98%. There are often finishers 2 or 3 laps down...

Same lap as the last finisher?

I'll admit I just don't like it because I really like stats, and it throws up garbage stats.

Author:  tim3003 [ Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:21 pm ]
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Exediron wrote:
tim3003 wrote:


The problem is, if you scrap 90%, where does the cut-off go? 95%, 98%. There are often finishers 2 or 3 laps down...


Same lap as the last finisher?

I'll admit I just don't like it because I really like stats, and it throws up garbage stats.


But what if a car has a mechanical issue during the race, spends 15 minutes in the pits, and then rejoins and finishes 10 laps down?

Author:  Exediron [ Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:41 pm ]
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tim3003 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
tim3003 wrote:


The problem is, if you scrap 90%, where does the cut-off go? 95%, 98%. There are often finishers 2 or 3 laps down...

Same lap as the last finisher?

I'll admit I just don't like it because I really like stats, and it throws up garbage stats.

But what if a car has a mechanical issue during the race, spends 15 minutes in the pits, and then rejoins and finishes 10 laps down?

Nobody does that in F1, so it's a pure hypothetical. If this was IndyCar, then sure.

Author:  P-F1 Mod [ Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:29 pm ]
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I stand corrected on how the scoring is done for the game, but I do wonder if the FIA should change the rules so that to be classified, you must cross the line after the winner has done so. Which would mean Hakkinen would still be 9th in Spain after running out of fuel, but with DNF next to his name. But then you get into the mess of classified cars behind non-classified cars. Maybe just no one classified behind the lowest finisher?

Author:  tim3003 [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:54 am ]
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P-F1 Mod wrote:
I stand corrected on how the scoring is done for the game, but I do wonder if the FIA should change the rules so that to be classified, you must cross the line after the winner has done so. Which would mean Hakkinen would still be 9th in Spain after running out of fuel, but with DNF next to his name. But then you get into the mess of classified cars behind non-classified cars. Maybe just no one classified behind the lowest finisher?


Yes but what is a 'finisher'? You have to distinguish between those who are classified as finishers and those who aren't. That's the problem. The 90% rule is effectively saying that anyone who does 90% of full race distance is classified as a finisher, regardless of whether they're actually running when the winner crosses the line. Those completing less than 90% are not finishers. I know it seems a bit odd but I can't see any other way that copes with all possible situations - which a rule has to do.

Author:  P-F1 Mod [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:39 pm ]
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A finisher is someone who makes it to the line on their final lap. Pretty simple.

Author:  Exediron [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:16 pm ]
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Alternatively, we could go with the IndyCar method that makes no real distinction between finishing and not finishing. We already have a running order, so we just apply points to the top ten and don't care about who really 'finished'. Because in modern F1, generally the only people who actually finish a Grand Prix distance are Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull. Everyone else is basically some form of non-finisher. In IndyCar, I think the only way you can be classified as retired is if you're not still running on track at the end.

(arguably, this should get removed from the F1 Team Pick Game and turned into a thread on the main forum at this point!)

Author:  tim3003 [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:45 pm ]
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P-F1 Mod wrote:
A finisher is someone who makes it to the line on their final lap. Pretty simple.


So what if the lowest finisher's final lap is lap 55 in a 60-lap race - because they spent time in the pits. And another car managed 58 laps but then its engine failed. You either have an unclassified DNF listed ahead of a classified finisher, or you have to say the car DNF-ing after 58 laps finishes behind the one who only did 55...

Author:  P-F1 Mod [ Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:51 pm ]
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Exediron wrote:
(arguably, this should get removed from the F1 Team Pick Game and turned into a thread on the main forum at this point!)

Sorry, yeah, if we keep going I will do. It's terrible, all these mods wandering around, derailing threads...!

Author:  Herb [ Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:39 am ]
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Mercedes P P
Ferrari 6 6
Red Bull 1 6
Mclaren 10 10
Renault 10 NF
Toro Rosso NF F
Alfa NF NF
Racing Point F NF
Haas 10 NF
Williams F F

Author:  P-F1 Mod [ Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:55 pm ]
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Mercedes 1 6
Ferrari P P
Red Bull 6 10
McLaren 6 10
Renault 10 F
Alfa Romeo 10 F
Toro Rosso F NF
Haas F NF
Racing Point F F
Williams F NF

Author:  robins13 [ Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:26 pm ]
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Mercedes 1 p
Ferrari P 6
Red Bull 6 6
McLaren 10 10
Renault 10 F
Alfa Romeo F F
Toro Rosso 10 F
Haas F NF
Racing Point F F
Williams F NF

Author:  Jenson's Understeer [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:47 am ]
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Mercedes 1 6
Ferrari P 6
Red Bull P 6
McLaren 10 10
Renault 10 F
Alfa Romeo F F
Toro Rosso F F
Haas F F
Racing Point 10 F
Williams F F

Author:  tim3003 [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:46 pm ]
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Abu Dhabi picks sent to P-F1 Mod

Author:  Charles LeBrad [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:46 pm ]
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Mine sent to P-F1 Mod

Author:  Remmirath [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:13 am ]
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Abu Dhabi

MERCEDES: 1 / 6
FERRARI: p / 6
RED BULL: p / 6
McLAREN: 10 / 10
RENAULT: f / nf
ALFA ROMEO: 10 / f
TORO ROSSO: 10 / nf
HAAS: 10 / nf
RACING POINT: 10 / f
WILLIAMS: f / f

Author:  Exediron [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:19 am ]
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MERCEDES - 1 / 6
FERRARI - p / 6
RED BULL - p / 6
RENAULT - F / NF
HAAS - F / NF
McLAREN - 10 / 10
RACING POINT - 10 / F
ALFA ROMEO - F / F
TORO ROSSO - 10 / F
WILLIAMS - F / F

Author:  Icemanjee1 [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:19 am ]
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Abu Dhabi 2019

Mercedes - 1 and 6
Ferrari - p and p
Red Bull - p and 6
Renault - 10 and f
Haas - f and nf
Mclaren - 10 and 10
Racing Point - 10 and f
Alfa Romeo - 10 and f
Toro Rosso - 10 and f
Williams - f and f

Author:  P-F1 Mod [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:38 pm ]
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I came in to say Jenson's Understeer and Icemanjee1 didn't send me their predictions by PM but I see they posted them here. I have Tim3003 and Charles LeBrad's entries.

Author:  P-F1 Mod [ Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:17 pm ]
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Charles LeBrad:

Mercedes 1 P
Ferrari P 6
Red Bull 6 6
McLaren 10 10
Renault 10 F
Alfa Romeo F F
Toro Rosso F F
Haas F F
Racing Point F 10
Williams F F

Tim3003

Mercedes 1 6
Ferrari P 6
Red Bull P 6
Renault 10 F
Haas F F
McLaren 10 F
Racing Point 10 F
Alfa Romeo F F
Toro Rosso 10 F
Williams F F

Author:  tim3003 [ Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:17 pm ]
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2019 F1 Team Pick Championship Round 21

Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Result









Mercedes1, 6
Ferrarip, 6
Red Bullp, 6
Renaultf, f
Haasf, f
McLaren10, 10
Racing Point10, nf
Alfa Romeof, f
Toro Rosso10, f
Williamsf, f


Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Points Table










Pos.PlayerRace pts
1 Jenson's Understeer 24
1 Tim3003 24
1 Exediron 24
4Icemanjee120
4Charles Le Brad 20
6Remmirath19
7Robins1317
8PF-1 Mod11
9Herb 10



With little incident and 19 finishers Abu Dhabi produced some high scores. The win was shared between Jenson's Understeer, Tim3003 and Exediron, all getting 7 teams right including all top 3 teams, and all regretting Hulkenberg's loss of 10th place on the last lap! Had Stroll finished too a perfect 30 point score was possible. Those three were 4 points clear, but it was close too behind.

Overall Tim3003 maintains a 6 point lead, Jenson's Understeer moves clear of Charles Le Brad for 2nd place, and Exediron takes Herb for 6th place.

Final Championship Points Table












Pos.PlayerTotal ptsWinsPodiums
1 Tim3003 310 4 8
2 Jenson's Understeer 304 6 4
3 Charles LeBrad 300 6 5
4Icemanjee129417
5Robins1328934
6Exediron28834
7Herb27632
8Remmirath27234
9P-F1 Mod25711
10Black_Flag_116310
11Jezza13500




And now, the podium!! :nod: :nod:




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:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Congratulations to the top 3 ! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

(I didn't cheat, honest!) Special commiserations to Charles LeBrad who but for one missed race would likely have been champion.


Other Prizes

The Schumacher prize for most wins in 2019, with 6:

ImageCharles LeBrad & Jenson's Understeer


The Barrichello prize for most podiums in 2019, with 8:

ImageTim3003


The Hamilton prize for most points scored in a 2019 race, with 26 in France:

ImageRemmirath


The Moss prize for the biggest winning margin in 2019, winning by 5 points in Bahrain:

ImageCharles LeBrad


Well done to all the prize winners, and thanks to all who took part.

The PF1 Team-pick competition will be back in 2020, for the Australian GP, March 15th!


Provisional rule changes for 2020:

New Fastest Lap category - FL:
For ONE team, as well as the 2 car picks, players can choose FL . Points for that team will be:
    all 3 picks right - 5pts.
    2 picks right - 3pts.
    1 pick right - 1pt.

For each car, the categories will be:
    1 - 1st
    P - 2nd or 3rd
    6 - 4th - 6th
    10 - 7th - 10th
    14 - 11th - 14th (new) *
    F - 15th - 20th
    NF - non-finish or unclassified finish completing less than 90% race distance; disqualified; non-start.

* I think it's currently too easy to choose F, F for the teams near the back of the grid and often score well. Adding 14 will make it trickier I hope!

Any comments and suggestions are welcome.

Author:  robins13 [ Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:07 am ]
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Congratulations Tim!

Thanks for running it, was really fun.

Author:  Exediron [ Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:56 am ]
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Congratulations! As one person who won the competition they curate to another, well done! :D

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