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2021 P-F1 Group Pick 'Em

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2021 PLANET-F1 FORUM GROUP PICK COMPETITION

Welcome to the fifth year of this game! This year, the scoring system stays the same as before. It works well, generates big points but also keeps things close. Unless reigning champion Herb decides to get a 200 point jump on everyone again! To save space I won't re-post the scores but they can be found in 2020's “wall of text” (thanks RoboFan, not an unfair description :lol: ) here - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15793

The transfer system works like this:

- The 200 point limit has been removed, partly because nobody came close to hitting it last year (the lowest remaining score was 144), and partly because exceeding it is usually self-defeating. Any transfers now simply come out of your overall score.
- A transfer will be considered final when FP1 goes green. Like last year, a transfer can be requested in advance of a race weekend but cancelled before the weekend begins. However, this must be done in a separate post stating that you now wish to cancel that transfer. Deleting the original post will not be considered a withdrawal of a transfer request because I'm unable to see when posts are deleted.
- A driver's transfer value is dictated by their car's standing in the WDC. Whichever driver is first in the WDC costs 20 points to transfer; the driver in 2nd costs 19 points to transfer; the driver in 3rd costs 18 points to transfer; and so on down to the driver in 20th, who costs just 1 point to transfer.
- A team's transfer value is dictated by their standing in the WCC. Whichever team is first in the WCC costs 40 points to transfer in; the team in 2nd costs 36 points to transfer; and so on down to the team in 10th, which costs 4 points to transfer.
- When you transfer a driver/team out of your selections, you do not receive their value back in additional points. There are also no additional points on offer for not making transfers (as there were in the original transfer rules).
- Any players who cease engaging with the game will continue to be a part of the championship. However, given the jokers (see below) I can't recommend this strategy.
- No transfers will be permitted until after the third race of the season. This is to avoid a situation where misfortune in the opening rounds results in a driver/team being significantly less expensive than they otherwise would be. It also ensures extra weight is attached to everyone's initial picks.

Players must choose one option in each of the 7 groups; that is, 4 drivers and 3 teams.

The Joker system returns again for this year. Each selection group offers one chance for an extra nomination for a single round. The ban on choosing an option you have already selected is rescinded, so if you have Mercedes as your regular choice in Team Group 1, you may choose to score their points twice in one race. Jokers are not playable in the first 3 races. It is not obligatory to use your jokers, but not doing so can cost a lot of points – in theory up to 961.

Your choices are tied to a car, not a driver per se. This means if you choose Hamilton as your group 1 driver and he misses a race again, you score for his replacement unless you transfer someone else in instead.

Contest results will only be posted after any penalties have been applied to ensure accuracy. However, in the event of penalties like McLaren in 07, Schumacher in 97 and Tyrrell in 84, any race results will still stand. This is a game, not the World Motorsport Council. Not that you'd know it from some of the posts in race threads sometimes!

If something that hasn't been covered here happens, I will put it to a vote whereby the majority would rule. I would try to run any poll for a week but if it were something that needed to be determined for the next race weekend, I would set a deadline of the start of FP1.

Full Transfer Point Costs
WDC/WCC position: Car/Team
1st: 20/40
2nd: 19/36
3rd: 18/32
4th: 17/28
5th: 16/24
6th: 15/20
7th: 14/16
8th: 13/12
9th: 12/8
10th: 11/4
11th: 10
12th: 9
13th: 8
14th: 7
15th: 6
16th: 5
17th: 4
18th: 3
19th: 2
20th: 1

Any questions, feel free to ask. I'm posting this early, but the groups are as follows:

DRIVER GROUP 1
Hamilton – Bottas – Verstappen

DRIVER GROUP 2
Perez – Ricciardo – Norris – Vettel – Stroll – Alonso

DRIVER GROUP 3
Ocon – Gasly – Tsunoda – Leclerc – Sainz

DRIVER GROUP 4
Raikkonen – Giovinazzi – Mazepin – Schumacher – Russell – Latifi

TEAM GROUP 1
Mercedes – Red Bull

TEAM GROUP 2
McLaren – Aston Martin – Alpine – Ferrari – AlphaTauri

TEAM GROUP 3
Alfa Romeo – Haas - Williams
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Obviously changes can be made up to the start of FP1 in Bahrain, and testing will likely influence decisions, but I'll get an entry on the board now:

Hamilton
Ricciardo
Leclerc
Mazepin (I know...)
Mercedes
McLaren
Alfa Romeo

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I'm in! Can't do much worse than 2020 :lol:

Hamilton
Perez
Tsunoda
Raikkonen
Mercedes
McLaren
Haas
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Thanks for running this one again!

Hamilton
Perez
Ocon
Russell
Mercedes
Aston Martin
Alfa Romeo

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DRIVER GROUP 1
Hamilton
DRIVER GROUP 2
Perez
DRIVER GROUP 3
Sainz
DRIVER GROUP 4
Raikkonen

TEAM GROUP 1
Mercedes
TEAM GROUP 2
Aston Martin
TEAM GROUP 3
Alfa Romeo

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I might have a go this year.

DG 1 - Hamilton
DG 2 - Ricciardo
DG 3 - LeClerc
DG 4 - Giovanazzi

TG 1 - Mercedes
TG 2 - McLaren
TG 3 - Alfa
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I'm in! Difficult to make a read as of yet, but I'm feeling bullish about my prospects this year. ;)

Driver Group 1: Lewis Hamilton
Driver Group 2: Daniel Ricciardo
Driver Group 3: Charles Leclerc
Driver Group 4: Kimi Raikkonen

Team Group 1: Red Bull
Team Group 2: McLaren
Team Group 3: Alfa Romeo
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Now that testing is over...

GROUP 1 DRIVER: Max Verstappen
GROUP 2 DRIVER: Sergio Perez
GROUP 3 DRIVER: Charles Leclerc
GROUP 4 DRIVER: Kimi Raikkonen

GROUP 1 TEAM: Red Bull
GROUP 2 TEAM: McLaren
GROUP 3 TEAM: Alfa Romeo

I'm feeling bullish about this year's championship as well, as one may guess.
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Driver Group 1 : Hamilton
Driver Group 2 : Perez
Driver Group 3 : Leclerc
Driver Group 4 : Kimi

Team Group 1 : Mercedes
Team Group 2 : Mclaren
Team Group 3 : Alfa Romeo
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JN23 wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:03 pm
Thanks for running this one again!

Hamilton
Perez
Ocon
Russell
Mercedes
Aston Martin
Alfa Romeo
Changing my mind to:

D1: Hamilton
D2: Perez
D3: Leclerc
D4: Russell

T1: Red Bull
T2: McLaren
T3: Alfa Romeo

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Anyone leaning on Red Bull for points this weekend was scuppered twice over; first, Checo having to start from the pit lane lost them half their strategic potential, and then Max just went in a bit too hot and had to give up an otherwise deserved victory. What it did for the competition, however, is as follows:

1 - ICEMANJEE1 - 601
2 - JEZZA13 - 584
3 = REMMIRATH - 560
3 = P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 560
5 - EXEDIRON - 559
6 - JN23 - 558
7 - TUFTY - 540
8 - HERB - 517

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I don't think any of us really benefited from losing a Red Bull and a Mercedes from the sharp end, but McLaren and Ferrari did a few of us a favour.

IMOLA RESULTS

1 - REMMIRATH - 533
2 - EXEDIRON - 520
3 - JEZZA13 - 490
4 - JN23 - 489
5 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 480
6 - ICEMANJEE1 - 468
7 - TUFTY - 402
8 - HERB - 383

STANDINGS

1 - REMMIRATH - 1093 [1 WIN]
2 - EXEDIRON - 1079
3 - JEZZA13 - 1074
4 - ICEMANJEE1 - 1069 [1 WIN, Season highest 601 in Bahrain]
5 - JN23 - 1047
6 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 1040
7 - TUFTY - 942
8 - HERB - 900 [Season lowest, 388 in Imola]

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After yesterday's win, this is where I expected to be :lol:
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JOKERS ARE NOW OPEN!!!

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92 points divided first and last places today, the fight at the front especially looking very tight.

1 - ICEMANJEE1 - 533
2 - JEZZA13 - 527
3 - JN23 - 520
4 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 504
5 - EXEDIRON - 499
6 - REMMIRATH - 482
7 - TUFTY - 471
8 - HERB - 441

STANDINGS

1 - ICEMANJEE1 - 1602 [2 wins, season high score 601 in Bahrain]
2 - JEZZA13 - 1601 [2 2nd, 1 3rd]
3 - EXEDIRON - 1578 [1 2nd]
4 - REMMIRATH - 1575 [1 win, 1 3rd]
5 - JN23 - 1567 [1 3rd]
6 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 1544 [1 3rd]
7 - TUFTY - 1413
8 - HERB - 1341

The transfer window is open, as is the joker selection.

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Just waiting to hear what, if anything, happens to Stroll before finalising these results.

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No action on Stroll, apparently. Surprising, but fair enough.

1 - ICEMANJEE1 - 573
2 - JEZZA13 - 554
3 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 544
4 - REMMIRATH - 538
5 - JN23 - 535
6 - EXEDIRON - 531
7 - HERB - 502
8 - TUFTY - 473

STANDINGS

1 - ICEMANJEE1 - 2175 [3 wins, season high score 601 in Bahrain]
2 - JEZZA13 - 2155 [3 2nd, 1 3rd]
3 - REMMIRATH - 2113 [1 win, 1 3rd]
4 - EXEDIRON - 2109 [1 2nd]
5 - JN23 - 2102 [1 3rd]
6 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 2088 [2 3rd]
7 - TUFTY - 1886
8 - HERB - 1843

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A quiet race, even by Monaco standards, and a low-scoring one thanks to Leclerc and Bottas retiring.

1 - EXEDIRON - 539
2 - JN23 - 475
3 - HERB - 461
4 - REMMIRATH - 444
5 - ICEMANJEE1 - 371
6 - JEZZA13 - 331
7 - TUFTY - 324
8 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 302

Standings

1 - EXEDIRON - 2648 [1 win, 1 2nd]
2 - JN23 - 2577 [1 2nd, 1 3rd]
3 - REMMIRATH - 2557 [1 win, 1 3rd]
4 - ICEMANJEE1 - 2546 [3 wins, season high score 601 in Bahrain]
5 - JEZZA13 - 2486 [3 2nd, 1 3rd]
6 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 2390 [2 3rd]
7 - HERB - 2304 [1 3rd]
8 - TUFTY - 2210

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Something I’m actually doing well in this year!

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Looking at how close those top few scores are, jokers are going to be crucial this year.

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Talking of jokers, I'll play the first of the year... Russell in Azerbaijan.

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Verstappen Joker please :)

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Noted

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Ricciardo out

Perez in

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Noted, and changes/jokers locked until after Azerbaijan.

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Well 2 of us made terrible joker calls, while Jezza made an inspired swap to put Perez into his line-up instead of Ricciardo this week.

Baku results:

1 - EXEDIRON - 480
2 - JN23 - 459
3 - REMMIRATH - 428
4 - ICEMANJEE1 - 421
5 - JEZZA13 - 416
6 - HERB - 383 [not counting the 4 points for his VER joker]
7 - TUFTY - 372
8 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 342 [not counting the 6 points for his RUS joker]

Championship standings:

1 - EXEDIRON - 3128 [2 wins, 1 2nd]
2 - JN23 - 3036 [2 2nd, 1 3rd]
3 - REMMIRATH - 2985 [1 win, 2 3rd]
4 - ICEMANJEE1 - 2967 [3 wins, season high score 601 from Bahrain]
5 - JEZZA13 - 2889 [3 2nd, 1 3rd]
6 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 2738 [2 3rd]
7 - HERB - 2691 [1 3rd]
8 - TUFTY - 2582
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I should have done this sooner but Tsunoda out, Leclerc in please.
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Noted. You also prompted me to check who I picked and I'm urgently swapping Mazepin for Giovinazzi!

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I'm taking a joker on Verstappen for France as well actually.

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Well that joker paid off nicely!

French results:

1 - JN23 - 513
2 - EXEDIRON - 507
3 - JEZZA13 - 479
4 - ICEMANJEE1 - 473
5 - REMMIRATH - 472
6 - TUFTY - 458
7 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 457
8 - HERB - 451

Standings:

1 - EXEDIRON - 3635 [2 wins, 2 2nd]
2 - JN23 - 3549 [1 win, 2 2nd, 1 3rd]
3 - REMMRIATH - 3457 [1 win, 2 3rd]
4 - ICEMANJEE1 - 3440 [3 wins]
5 - JEZZA13 - 3368 [3 2nd, 2 3rd]
6 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 3288 [2 3rd]
7 - HERB - 3142 [1 3rd]
8 - TUFTY - 3024

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Woo, a win!

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I want to swap Red Bull for Mercedes please. I realise it'll cost me but I'm last anyway. And while I'm at it, Haas for Alfa and Raikkonen for Giovinazzi too.
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Desperate times, Tufty? That costs you a total of 58 points, but as you say with a 700 point deficit you have to try what you can.

Just to update everyone's current picks:

Exediron:
VER PER LEC RAI
Red Bull | McLaren | Alfa Romeo

JN23:
HAM PER LEC RUS
Red Bull | McLaren | Alfa Romeo

Remmirath:
HAM NOR LEC RAI
Red Bull | McLaren | Alfa Romeo

Icemanjee1:
HAM PER LEC RAI
Mercedes | McLaren | Alfa Romeo

Jezza13:
HAM PER LEC GIO
Mercedes | McLaren | Alfa Romeo

P-F1 Games Master:
HAM NOR LEC GIO
Mercedes | McLaren | Alfa Romeo

Herb:
HAM PER SAI RAI
Mercedes | Aston Martin | Alfa Romeo

Tufty:
HAM PER LEC GIO
Red Bull | McLaren | Alfa Romeo

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I'll go ahead and use one of my jokers on Verstappen this time, and it's time to switch Norris out for Perez.
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Noted. Sent you a PM to clarify your switch, Norris isn't in your picks at the moment.

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I've assumed Remmirath wanted to swap Ricciardo out, not Norris, given that's the McLaren in his predictions. According to that, here's the results from Styria:

1 - EXEDIRON - 544
2 - REMMIRATH - 531
3 - ICEMANJEE1 - 526
4 - HERB - 520
5 - JEZZA13 - 508
6 - JN23 - 503
7 - TUFTY - 484
8 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 458

Standings:

1 - EXEDIRON - 4179 [3 wins, 2 2nd]
2 - REMMIRATH - 4075 [1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rd]
3 - JN23 - 4052 [1 win, 2 2nd, 1 3rd]
4 - ICEMANJEE1 - 3966 [3 wins, 1 3rd, season high score 601 in Bahrain]
5 - JEZZA13 - 3876 [3 2nd, 2 3rd]
6 - P-F1 GAMES MASTER - 3746 [2 3rd]
7 - HERB - 3662 [1 3rd]
8 - TUFTY - 3450

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All in on Red Bull:
  • Transfer Verstappen in for Hamilton
  • Joker on Verstappen for next week
  • Joker on Red Bull for next week

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Same jokers as JN23 please. Also one on Russell, surely he can't be unlucky 2 weeks running, and Williams too because I think there's going to be carnage at T3 next week.
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Both noted. I'm swapping Red Bull in for Mercedes and playing a Max joker.

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I'm going all out now. Perez joker please, and McLaren as well. Surely Dan can't be that bad again, right?
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