Evaluating Schumi's legacy

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Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

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Siao7 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:20 am
Retro-Virus wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:29 am
Siao7 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:18 am
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Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:00 am
Siao7 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:20 am


Senna pushed a team mate on the wall, crashed (the same driver) to secure a WDC and also slowed down in Monaco to defend his provisional pole. The same things that you list as negatives for Schumacher, Senna taught them a decade before Schumacher. But that didn't stop you having him at the top of your list. So I conclude that your post is biased as hell and I also should really stop commenting in Schumacher threads!
Why did they change the racing line after qualifying?
You got your story wrong. The pole was always on the same side for years (it is easy to see the starts of the races from '88, '89, etc. on youtube, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Gw7fc ... munication and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8-sAOj ... yrtonSenna).

It's just that because Senna had made a mess from the pole the years before, he wanted it changed. The narrative that the FIA changed the pole side to mess with Senna is a false one.
I am hearing your version for the first time.

Then, why did Senna say that "you bust your balls to get pole' and then they do this.
To my understanding, Senna knew the pole position was on the dirty side. He had fudged up the last two starts from there, while Berger did ok in 1987. It was something reasonable if you think about it, you bust your balls to get pole and the pole is on the dirty side. It's similar to Bottas preferring to go P3 instead of P2 in Bahrain, as P3 would give him a better chance.

The problem is that Senna went to the track officials and asked for the pole to be changed. They seem to have agreed, but it's like asking the waiter to change the menu on the restaurant because it's not to your liking; it's not them who make these decisions. So Senna believed that he got the pole changed, when in reality nothing as such was formally agreed. He then made a fuss that Balestre overturned the decision, when Balestre only gave an order that the pole will not change on the 11th hour. Senna also had bad blood with Balestre from the year before and saw red afterwards. The rest is history
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It's also quite cool to read Toet's article about what was going on with the "driver aids" in 1994. He has some very nice articles, I'd urge you to give them a look. Effectively (to my understanding) they created the driver aid effect, but legally. As other teams too that year.

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Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

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Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:04 am
Anyway, I am not here to recycle anything. I don't think Senna and Schumacher are in the same level, just my opinion.

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I agree with you here 100% - Schumacher is ahead for me. :nod:

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Any link?

I think it had to do with changing the braking towards the left pedal, right ? Anyway, it ended with him ramming into hill.
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Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:47 am
Any link?

I think it had to do with changing the braking towards the left pedal, right ? Anyway, it ended with him ramming into hill.
No, not really. Braking with his left foot was another thing altogether when other drivers were still doing heel and toe.

The article was this:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-rota ... llem-toet/

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Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

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Siao7 wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:06 pm
Retro-Virus wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:47 am
Any link?

I think it had to do with changing the braking towards the left pedal, right ? Anyway, it ended with him ramming into hill.
No, not really. Braking with his left foot was another thing altogether when other drivers were still doing heel and toe.

The article was this:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-rota ... llem-toet/
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Re: Evaluating Schumi's legacy

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Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:39 am
Schumacher is a good driver, but as many people have said, he's never had a WDC as his team mate, and after coming back from retirement, and once paired with Rosberg, he lost. He's also had a few dubious moments like parking his car, ramming into others, and so on.

If you ask me, I would rate Senna as the greatest followed by Hamilton, then Clark. Just my 2C
This is not quite logically correct. I'd suggest that the reason Schumacher never had a WDC as his teammate is because he was the one winning most of them. JV, Hill and Mika weren't going to join him at Ferrari but if he wasn't driving, Rubens would be a 2xWDC, possibly a 4x WDC if inheriting Schumacher's role. Schumacher beat that would be 2-4x WDC quite soundly. Interesting how reputations pan out, but that's for another thread.

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