Why does the UK need to escort Russian ships?

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mac_d
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Why does the UK need to escort Russian ships?

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So one of the reasonably big bits of news of the moment is the Russian aircraft carrier being deployed to the Med for the business in Syria. The British Navy has deployed an escort. Is it entirely normal for any nation's military to be escorted in this fashion or is it a Russian thing. Would the UK military do the same if it was a country we are more general allies with, like France or the USA (assuming they had to go through the channel with their own ships even if that might not be the case)?

In short, is this effectively standard protocol or is this a Russia specific thing?

Bit of a weird topic, but I'm curious and don't even know what kind of other forum I would ask this on. So PF1 off-topic seemed like my best bet. Someone usually knows the answer to almost anything I ask.

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They will be recording everything from the toilet sounds to the engine control valves, while making "white noise" themselves. ( they will also probably have a team of divers to look at the underside and collect any waste they drop)

The "escorting" thing is a throw back to the pre satellite days just to let them know we saw them and could have taken action before they enter territorial waters. It is also a good exercise in case it has to be done for real at some time.

Our "allies" vessels are spied on during social visits.

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moby wrote:They will be recording everything from the toilet sounds to the engine control valves, while making "white noise" themselves. ( they will also probably have a team of divers to look at the underside and collect any waste they drop)

The "escorting" thing is a throw back to the pre satellite days just to let them know we saw them and could have taken action before they enter territorial waters. It is also a good exercise in case it has to be done for real at some time.

Our "allies" vessels are spied on during social visits.


Much appreciated. Thanks.

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moby wrote:They will be recording everything from the toilet sounds to the engine control valves, while making "white noise" themselves. ( they will also probably have a team of divers to look at the underside and collect any waste they drop)

The "escorting" thing is a throw back to the pre satellite days just to let them know we saw them and could have taken action before they enter territorial waters. It is also a good exercise in case it has to be done for real at some time.

Our "allies" vessels are spied on during social visits.



They won't have a team of divers anywhere near it nor will they be transmitting "white noise" but they will most certainly being listening to it which is not particularly difficult as it is an "accoustically noisy" ship and relatively poorly maintained (It has an ocean going tug transiting with it in case of propulsion failure) It also has several design flaws which limits it's capabilities.. We escort military ships from our cold war opponants through our territorial waters as a matter of course in just the same way as we would always intercept their "bear" bombers when they 'strayed' near to our airspace.
It is a relatively provocative move to transit capital ships through foreign territorial waters so unsurprising that it would be escorted.

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_Rogue_ wrote:
moby wrote:They will be recording everything from the toilet sounds to the engine control valves, while making "white noise" themselves. ( they will also probably have a team of divers to look at the underside and collect any waste they drop)

The "escorting" thing is a throw back to the pre satellite days just to let them know we saw them and could have taken action before they enter territorial waters. It is also a good exercise in case it has to be done for real at some time.

Our "allies" vessels are spied on during social visits.



They won't have a team of divers anywhere near it nor will they be transmitting "white noise" but they will most certainly being listening to it which is not particularly difficult as it is an "accoustically noisy" ship and relatively poorly maintained (It has an ocean going tug transiting with it in case of propulsion failure) It also has several design flaws which limits it's capabilities.. We escort military ships from our cold war opponants through our territorial waters as a matter of course in just the same way as we would always intercept their "bear" bombers when they 'strayed' near to our airspace.
It is a relatively provocative move to transit capital ships through foreign territorial waters so unsurprising that it would be escorted.


Ok

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Have a look at this Daily Mail article. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ssels.html

Near the middle of the page there's a map showing the traffic through the English Channel, and it shows just how narrow the Dover Strait is. Knowing that territorial waters stretch from the coast to a distance of twelve nautical miles, and that at its narrowest it is only about 19 nautical miles wide, a foreign war fleet passing through will always be in either UK or French territorial waters. By steaming through that gap, the message from Moscow is clear. So an escort is definitely no surprise.

moby wrote:they will also probably have a team of divers to look at the underside
:lol: 007 was standing by also, I was told.
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Fiki wrote:Have a look at this Daily Mail article. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ssels.html

Near the middle of the page there's a map showing the traffic through the English Channel, and it shows just how narrow the Dover Strait is. Knowing that territorial waters stretch from the coast to a distance of twelve nautical miles, and that at its narrowest it is only about 19 nautical miles wide, a foreign war fleet passing through will always be in either UK or French territorial waters. By steaming through that gap, the message from Moscow is clear. So an escort is definitely no surprise.

moby wrote:they will also probably have a team of divers to look at the underside
:lol: 007 was standing by also, I was told.


Yes, I sound like a plonker saying that, what I mean is they will be standing by to recover "stuff", not under water - water skiing behind it.

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moby wrote:
Fiki wrote:Have a look at this Daily Mail article. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ssels.html

Near the middle of the page there's a map showing the traffic through the English Channel, and it shows just how narrow the Dover Strait is. Knowing that territorial waters stretch from the coast to a distance of twelve nautical miles, and that at its narrowest it is only about 19 nautical miles wide, a foreign war fleet passing through will always be in either UK or French territorial waters. By steaming through that gap, the message from Moscow is clear. So an escort is definitely no surprise.

moby wrote:they will also probably have a team of divers to look at the underside
:lol: 007 was standing by also, I was told.


Yes, I sound like a plonker saying that, what I mean is they will be standing by to recover "stuff", not under water - water skiing behind it.
In or out of the smoke screen? ;)
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Fiki wrote:
moby wrote:
Fiki wrote:Have a look at this Daily Mail article. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ssels.html

Near the middle of the page there's a map showing the traffic through the English Channel, and it shows just how narrow the Dover Strait is. Knowing that territorial waters stretch from the coast to a distance of twelve nautical miles, and that at its narrowest it is only about 19 nautical miles wide, a foreign war fleet passing through will always be in either UK or French territorial waters. By steaming through that gap, the message from Moscow is clear. So an escort is definitely no surprise.

moby wrote:they will also probably have a team of divers to look at the underside
:lol: 007 was standing by also, I was told.


Yes, I sound like a plonker saying that, what I mean is they will be standing by to recover "stuff", not under water - water skiing behind it.
In or out of the smoke screen? ;)


As funny as it sounds, just knowing the "use by" date on a tin thrown over board can tell a lot about how things are done and planned.

I wish I had worded that post better though, :blush: I blame the specked hen I had with my lunch that day (and the few after)

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moby wrote:
As funny as it sounds, just knowing the "use by" date on a tin thrown over board can tell a lot about how things are done and planned.

I wish I had worded that post better though, :blush: I blame the specked hen I had with my lunch that day (and the few after)


I like to think the Russian Navy has a guy who decides to chuck an ancient tin of beans over the side just to mess with our lot.


Thanks for the input guys, I do appreciate it. I found some other good sources of information online after I posted this too. Very helpful in understanding the whole thing. The mainstream news, at least initially, was really rather weak. I feel they should have been much more explicit as to whether this was standard operation or if the military bosses thought this was a signficant risk. The coverage discussing the potential refueling at the Spanish base in Morocco has been far better. Giving a bit more background for people like me who don't really know enough about this kind of thing.

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