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Biffa wrote:It's a bit like asking whether you'd prefer a punch in the mouth or a kick in the balls.

Blake wrote:I submitted my absentee ballot today as I am going to be in Austin on election day. There is no way in he!! that I would ever vote for trump (I refuse to capitalize that disgusting man's name). Hillary is probably more qualified than any candidate in decades for the role of President. Over 30 years of experience, First Lady for 8 years, US Senator, Secretary of State in addition to being a lawyer and a college law professor.

I actually am somewhat confident in her candidacy if I am to be honest.

moby wrote:For the sake of the US, and the rest of the world, I hope they have good teams behind them

Asphalt_World wrote:I wonder how many seconds it would take for me to be sacked if I spoke to a colleague at school and talked about dating one of the children in 10 years time!

Biffa wrote:Just got around to watching the latest Clinton/Trump debate and wow I could not believe how low the bar is, childish playground stuff. Is that really the level that we’re at these days? Really really embarrassing!

And before anyone pulls me up, I do realise politics in the UK has not been much better recently.

RaggedMan wrote:

Biffa wrote:Just got around to watching the latest Clinton/Trump debate and wow I could not believe how low the bar is, childish playground stuff. Is that really the level that we’re at these days? Really really embarrassing!

And before anyone pulls me up, I do realise politics in the UK has not been much better recently.

When running against a candidate with tons of baggage you don't put up someone with even more.

The Republicans managed to nominate someone for his boast of "not being a politician" during an election where just about anyone who is a career politician would have a better than average chance to beat the Democrats nominee.

For the record I'm a left leaning moderate who has never registered as a member of any political party.

Asphalt_World wrote:I wonder how many seconds it would take for me to be sacked if I spoke to a colleague at school and talked about dating one of the children in 10 years time!

mac_d wrote:How will they work in some of the more religious countries in regions such as the middle east?

For instance, Trump has probably annoyed a fair few Muslims by the way he has somewhat tarred them all with the same brush.
I'm not sure how Clinton, as a woman, would fair in countries where perhaps certain expectations for women exist that do not match Western culture.

I like political discussions, they always make me realise how wildly ignorant I am about so many facets of life.

Ennis wrote:

Asphalt_World wrote:I wonder how many seconds it would take for me to be sacked if I spoke to a colleague at school and talked about dating one of the children in 10 years time!

I also wonder how long a teacher would last if they proposed bombing people without trial just because they're a nuisance, of laughed at people being sodomised and killed.

Trump is a horrible, sleazy human being. He seems to have outdated, sexist views - or at least engages in that type of conversation (although I've heard similar from both male and female said tongue in cheek). But let's not pretend many of the accepted politicians don't have similarly extreme views, for some reason we just accept people who are happy to kill brown people from far away.

mac_d wrote:How will they work in some of the more religious countries in regions such as the middle east?

For instance, Trump has probably annoyed a fair few Muslims by the way he has somewhat tarred them all with the same brush.
I'm not sure how Clinton, as a woman, would fair in countries where perhaps certain expectations for women exist that do not match Western culture.

I like political discussions, they always make me realise how wildly ignorant I am about so many facets of life.

jeffw wrote:Never in all of my life here have I see the media (news papers, tv, etc) so biased towards one person. Must be something really that scares them at a high level about trump.... and I mean $$$$.

jeffw wrote:The dirt on hillary runs way deeper than just a few thousand emails, she has sold her country for cash, proven that she will not support troops under fire, has has no problem with telling lies to cover it all up, + 30 years other scandals.

jeffw wrote:Now is not trump the best fit either, quite raw with words, has no political experience at all, but then he is an outsider. Certainly has money so the idea of $$ for influence should not be in question. He does know how the wall street game is played, perhaps that is what worries people so much on both sides (Republcant/Democrack).

jeffw wrote:To quote South Park, what we have here is a choice between a "douche bag and a giant turd"... You can't really defend either, and if you argue one side or the other you just seem like a fool and get upset over nothing in the end.

jeffw wrote:So the option you did not post... is the one that I may take. I served my country for 6 year and 10 months in the military, so mine is the option of skipping voting this time, unless something changes in the next few weeks (what more could wikileaks come up with that the media will ignore?).

Blake wrote:I submitted my absentee ballot today as I am going to be in Austin on election day.

moby wrote:Is there no version of the "protest vote" in US? it is a straight one or the other?

How do deliberately spoiled papers count?

jeffw wrote:Never in all of my life here have I see the media (news papers, tv, etc) so biased towards one person. Must be something really that scares them at a high level about trump.... and I mean $$$$.

No question the vast majority of media outlets, including Republican and conservative sources, are against Donnie (I will call him that because we usually give nicknames to yet to mature little kids, even when they are clothed in adult bodies). However, contrary to your reasoning, I think you will find that it is because they realize that donnie is not what we want leading this country and that he could do infinitely more harm than any other candidate. His money? Are you sure he even has any "big" money? It is very commonly thought that he is not worth anywhere near what he claims to be and the withheld tax statements could well prove it. There is also the question of just who he owes money too and how much. His money certainly did not scare the NY newspaper that told him to "bring it on" with hs lawsuits aren't acting to "scared"

The dirt on hillary runs way deeper than just a few thousand emails, she has sold her country for cash, proven that she will not support troops under fire, has has no problem with telling lies to cover it all up, + 30 years other scandals.

Tell me, have you read those emails that donnie keeps harping on? In fact, there is little in them that condemns her to any great measure. What they do exponse is the world of politics in the US today... not necessarily pretty, but nothing that donnie hasn't done similarly in the business world... you know, the same one where he has declared mulitple bankrupcies and screwed many people out of their owed money. Sold her country for cash? Prove it. That story was debunked weeks ago. Not support her troops underfire? Funny thing, on one hand donnie surrogates accuse her of being a military hawk and on the other hand claim she doesn't support them. As for those 30 years of scandals... how many proven cases have we seen? donnie is great at throwing mud (conspriracy theories) at the wall without any proof and just hoping the mud sticks... and it has... to his surrogates. Unfortunately for him, the majority of voters appear to see them for what they are, desparation on the part of an immature billiionaire (maybe) who wants to play President.

Now is not trump the best fit either, quite raw with words, has no political experience at all, but then he is an outsider. Certainly has money so the idea of $$ for influence should not be in question. He does know how the wall street game is played, perhaps that is what worries people so much on both sides (Republcant/Democrack).
Knows how the Wall Street game is played does not equate with the ability to run a country. I know that donnie likes to "trump" his business accumen, but the reality of that talent is in reality, quite questionable. I suspect that there are a fair number of people who, had they been given millions of dollars as a foundation, could have done quite well in the business world...and not had to declare bankruptcy multiple times there by screwing many companies, banks, people out of money that they were rightly entititled to.

To quote South Park, what we have here is a choice between a "douche bag and a giant turd"... You can't really defend either, and if you argue one side or the other you just seem like a fool and get upset over nothing in the end.

So the option you did not post... is the one that I may take. I served my country for 6 year and 10 months in the military, so mine is the option of skipping voting this time, unless something changes in the next few weeks (what more could wikileaks come up with that the media will ignore?).

Media is not ignoring the wikileaks emails, do you not read? The stories are out there to be read. It is not their fault if donnie keeps providing them even more scandalous headlines. donnie himself, the businessman, should understand that "sex sells" and he has given them the perfect headline fodder over and over again. The funny part is that donnie brought it on himself. Had he just appologized for his comments/actions toward the beauty queen he put down, all of this might have died on the vine, instead he went after her all over again, and again, and again for week after the debate. He is a fool... and sadly, a dangerous out of control fool.

Thanks for your service to our country, Jeff. I would urge you, however, to vote.. it is a responsibility and you should know that being a veteran... and if you don't vote, you have absolutely no room to complain about how things go in the next presidency.

Asphalt_World wrote:So Trump wants drug tests now. Is this actually a spoof election campaign and we're all on a world wide version of the Truman Show?

To be fair though, if they do test Trump and his results are negative, at least they know they can start pumping him with the drugs other people like him are forced to take!

jeffw wrote:Never in all of my life here have I see the media (news papers, tv, etc) so biased towards one person. Must be something really that scares them at a high level about trump.... and I mean $$$$.