The F1 Q&A Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:51 am
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4 finishers, points still awarded -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Monaco_Grand_PrixCovalent wrote:I'll go first: Has there ever been an occasion where not all of the points-scoring positions have been given points? Or will they by some logic always give out all the points even if only e.g. 9 drivers finish the race? Assuming of course that the race wasn't red-flagged too early on in the race.
Thanks for this! Salo and Häkkinen indeed got the points too but they finished 70/75 laps so technically they were classified?Terence wrote:4 finishers, points still awarded -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Monaco_Grand_PrixCovalent wrote:I'll go first: Has there ever been an occasion where not all of the points-scoring positions have been given points? Or will they by some logic always give out all the points even if only e.g. 9 drivers finish the race? Assuming of course that the race wasn't red-flagged too early on in the race.
Remember watching it. Such an odd race!
from the text:Terence wrote:4 finishers, points still awarded -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Monaco_Grand_PrixCovalent wrote:I'll go first: Has there ever been an occasion where not all of the points-scoring positions have been given points? Or will they by some logic always give out all the points even if only e.g. 9 drivers finish the race? Assuming of course that the race wasn't red-flagged too early on in the race.
Go back another 14 years to the comedy of errors that was Monaco '82 and it gets even better:Terence wrote:4 finishers, points still awarded -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Monaco_Grand_PrixCovalent wrote:I'll go first: Has there ever been an occasion where not all of the points-scoring positions have been given points? Or will they by some logic always give out all the points even if only e.g. 9 drivers finish the race? Assuming of course that the race wasn't red-flagged too early on in the race.
Fair cop. I was about 4 months old at the time thoughGuia wrote:Go back another 14 years to the comedy of errors that was Monaco '82 and it gets even better:Terence wrote:4 finishers, points still awarded -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Monaco_Grand_PrixCovalent wrote:I'll go first: Has there ever been an occasion where not all of the points-scoring positions have been given points? Or will they by some logic always give out all the points even if only e.g. 9 drivers finish the race? Assuming of course that the race wasn't red-flagged too early on in the race.
1 finisher, full points awarded -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Monaco_Grand_Prix
things like the flexi wing etc were I believe banned for being in contravention of the spirit of the rules. As for the blown diffuser, there's a very good article of James Allen which explans it. In essence he claims the reason for banning was:Blackcat75 wrote:Here is one:
Is there a main reason for new technologies/innovations to become banned after a season?
I am thinking, flexi-wings/floor, blown diffuser, exhaust gasses being used to keep the tyres within a reasonable operating temperature, engine mapping - that kind of thing. (I mean other than the obvious cost of development.)
Nice idea for a thread BTW.
The performance gain is around half a second to one second per lap. But this drives fuel consumption up by around 15% and is very hard on engines, so it means costly reliability programmes. This is not the way the FIA wants the sport to go.
The exhaust blown diffuser didn't look good for F1 from an environmental perspective. Cars had to burn fuel even when they were off the throttle.Blackcat75 wrote:Here is one:
Is there a main reason for new technologies/innovations to become banned after a season?
I am thinking, flexi-wings/floor, blown diffuser, exhaust gasses being used to keep the tyres within a reasonable operating temperature, engine mapping - that kind of thing. (I mean other than the obvious cost of development.)
Nice idea for a thread BTW.
There have been many reasons that technologies/innovations have been banned. From slowing down the cars, drivers, costs, you name it. FIA loves to let them innovate and then pull the plug when things get too wild.Blackcat75 wrote:Here is one:
Is there a main reason for new technologies/innovations to become banned after a season?
I am thinking, flexi-wings/floor, blown diffuser, exhaust gasses being used to keep the tyres within a reasonable operating temperature, engine mapping - that kind of thing. (I mean other than the obvious cost of development.)
Nice idea for a thread BTW.
I think that's a social thing. When you get an individual who is spectacularly successful in a certain area (i.e. Michael Schumacher) it draws an interest to the sport in that country, more people in that country try it and it becomes like a national sport. Look at motorcycle racing in Spain, or the UK when Wimbledon is on.Juzzy82 wrote:What is it with Germans and Formula 1?
That's another golden rule in F1; If you can't beat them, ban them. (Or something like that)Blackcat75 wrote:Thanks guys. ^^
It always seemed a little odd to me, personally I like the innovation, and I agree that there are some technologies that detract from the racing. Also there is a small cynical part of me that thinks "Hmm, is it because 'one' team can't master a certain innovation and then veto the technology?" Does anyone know if that 'one' team still have a veto over new rules, or was that rescinded after 2008?
Money always plays a part too, as the axiom goes 'it's usually down to money' (i.e. it costs too much for every team to catch up).
I think you're on the right track but it goes farther back than that. I'd put the start of the country's passion for racing back in the pre-WWII era when Mercedes and Auto Union were in an arms race of sorts trying to beat each other's records.Blackcat75 wrote:I think that's a social thing. When you get an individual who is spectacularly successful in a certain area (i.e. Michael Schumacher) it draws an interest to the sport in that country, more people in that country try it and it becomes like a national sport. Look at motorcycle racing in Spain, or the UK when Wimbledon is on.Juzzy82 wrote:What is it with Germans and Formula 1?
Michael's popularity in Germany, along with a strong (and cash-rich) automotive sector made racing cars a viable sport to get into. It's a little strange Japan hasn't followed suit (with the exception of Sato!).
Yea, I wasn't thinking that far back - but all good points. I guess you can say the same for a lot of sports. Powerful European countries decided that fighting each other wasn't a particularly productive enterprise, so sport has taken over as a new source of domestic pride.RaggedMan wrote:I think you're on the right track but it goes farther back than that. I'd put the start of the country's passion for racing back in the pre-WWII era when Mercedes and Auto Union were in an arms race of sorts trying to beat each other's records.Blackcat75 wrote:I think that's a social thing. When you get an individual who is spectacularly successful in a certain area (i.e. Michael Schumacher) it draws an interest to the sport in that country, more people in that country try it and it becomes like a national sport. Look at motorcycle racing in Spain, or the UK when Wimbledon is on.Juzzy82 wrote:What is it with Germans and Formula 1?
Michael's popularity in Germany, along with a strong (and cash-rich) automotive sector made racing cars a viable sport to get into. It's a little strange Japan hasn't followed suit (with the exception of Sato!).
I'm sure that POB will come along shortly and give a nice lineage of German drivers from that era up through the current crop to help me out. The earliest I can think of Carraciola, but I'm sure I've spelled it wrong and that he isn't the earliest.
I've got to stop trying to post things before my first coffee.
Yea, sometimes a country gets behind a particular sport for whatever reason whether it's the government or something more grassroots.Blackcat75 wrote:Yea, I wasn't thinking that far back - but all good points. I guess you can say the same for a lot of sports. Powerful European countries decided that fighting each other wasn't a particularly productive enterprise, so sport has taken over as a new source of domestic pride.RaggedMan wrote:I think you're on the right track but it goes farther back than that. I'd put the start of the country's passion for racing back in the pre-WWII era when Mercedes and Auto Union were in an arms race of sorts trying to beat each other's records.Blackcat75 wrote:I think that's a social thing. When you get an individual who is spectacularly successful in a certain area (i.e. Michael Schumacher) it draws an interest to the sport in that country, more people in that country try it and it becomes like a national sport. Look at motorcycle racing in Spain, or the UK when Wimbledon is on.Juzzy82 wrote:What is it with Germans and Formula 1?
Michael's popularity in Germany, along with a strong (and cash-rich) automotive sector made racing cars a viable sport to get into. It's a little strange Japan hasn't followed suit (with the exception of Sato!).
I'm sure that POB will come along shortly and give a nice lineage of German drivers from that era up through the current crop to help me out. The earliest I can think of Carraciola, but I'm sure I've spelled it wrong and that he isn't the earliest.
I've got to stop trying to post things before my first coffee.
I've not lived in the UK for a number of years but I keep up to date with current events and I know that before the 2012 Olympics, the government invested in developing athletes in events that Britain had done well in, in previous Olympic events - and the results showed. I guess something similar is happening here.
Between the wars, there was a lot of restriction on what engineering development was allowed in Germany. To cut a long story short, there is a lot of crosover between racing machines and war machines, superchargers etc, and also, Germany was big on national pride, so Alfred Neubauer was given a lot of backing.Blackcat75 wrote:I think that's a social thing. When you get an individual who is spectacularly successful in a certain area (i.e. Michael Schumacher) it draws an interest to the sport in that country, more people in that country try it and it becomes like a national sport. Look at motorcycle racing in Spain, or the UK when Wimbledon is on.Juzzy82 wrote:What is it with Germans and Formula 1?
Michael's popularity in Germany, along with a strong (and cash-rich) automotive sector made racing cars a viable sport to get into. It's a little strange Japan hasn't followed suit (with the exception of Sato!).
Interesting question! I'd like to know the answer to this too. I think I heard earlier in the season that both drivers are supposed to get bonuses depending on the points they score but obviously that was before all the money issues popped up.A2jdl wrote:Has Grosjean been paid any money this year ?
What I've heard is that he's still under contract to Caterham, so Lotus aren't paying him. Word on the paddock seems to be that for Heikki's services, Lotus are letting Caterham use some of their engineers for these races...Volantary wrote:Interesting question! I'd like to know the answer to this too. I think I heard earlier in the season that both drivers are supposed to get bonuses depending on the points they score but obviously that was before all the money issues popped up.A2jdl wrote:Has Grosjean been paid any money this year ?
On the same note, is Heikki getting paid for the two races he's doing?
In an article on James Allen site it sounds more like Lotus is losing staff to Caterham.Covalent wrote:What I've heard is that he's still under contract to Caterham, so Lotus aren't paying him. Word on the paddock seems to be that for Heikki's services, Lotus are letting Caterham use some of their engineers for these races...Volantary wrote:Interesting question! I'd like to know the answer to this too. I think I heard earlier in the season that both drivers are supposed to get bonuses depending on the points they score but obviously that was before all the money issues popped up.A2jdl wrote:Has Grosjean been paid any money this year ?
On the same note, is Heikki getting paid for the two races he's doing?
Ok, I might've misheard what they were saying in today's practice commentary.RaggedMan wrote:In an article on James Allen site it sounds more like Lotus is losing staff to Caterham.Covalent wrote:What I've heard is that he's still under contract to Caterham, so Lotus aren't paying him. Word on the paddock seems to be that for Heikki's services, Lotus are letting Caterham use some of their engineers for these races...Volantary wrote:Interesting question! I'd like to know the answer to this too. I think I heard earlier in the season that both drivers are supposed to get bonuses depending on the points they score but obviously that was before all the money issues popped up.A2jdl wrote:Has Grosjean been paid any money this year ?
On the same note, is Heikki getting paid for the two races he's doing?
alotta stuff can be done, so i'll just post the linkCovalent wrote:Q: What aspects of a car can be modified between qualifying and race?
While I don't think there is way to come up with "time per lap" number for differences in the center of mass on the two cars in a team I did find an interesting article on the subject of how weight transfer is affected by CoM in racecars when trying to see if there was.purchville wrote:All other things being equal, how much time does a driver lose to his team mate per lap if he weighs, for example, 15 kilograms heavier (due to balast distribution, centre of gravity, etc.)?
Thanks!PrancingRocket_ wrote:alotta stuff can be done, so i'll just post the linkCovalent wrote:Q: What aspects of a car can be modified between qualifying and race?
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules ... 5/fia.html
About 4 championshipspurchville wrote:All other things being equal, how much time does a driver lose to his team mate per lap if he weighs, for example, 15 kilograms heavier (due to balast distribution, centre of gravity, etc.)?
No worries!Covalent wrote:Thanks!PrancingRocket_ wrote:alotta stuff can be done, so i'll just post the linkCovalent wrote:Q: What aspects of a car can be modified between qualifying and race?
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules ... 5/fia.html
Agreed it's a very difficult question to answer, but you hear different figures depending on who it comes from. Jensen has said it costs up to 0.5 secs IIRC. Then others on this forum have said that it's only about 0.05 secs. That's a 10-fold difference...in fact just qualifies as an order of magnitude difference. My guess is it's worth something in between, maybe 0.2 secs, but it would be nice to get a solid answer from one of the teams.Covalent wrote:About 4 championshipspurchville wrote:All other things being equal, how much time does a driver lose to his team mate per lap if he weighs, for example, 15 kilograms heavier (due to balast distribution, centre of gravity, etc.)?
Joking aside, interesting question but pretty impossible to give an exact answer to I'd guess!
I thought 10kgs of fuel means a difference of about .3s (and this is ofcourse dependent of track length).purchville wrote:Agreed it's a very difficult question to answer, but you hear different figures depending on who it comes from. Jensen has said it costs up to 0.5 secs IIRC. Then others on this forum have said that it's only about 0.05 secs. That's a 10-fold difference...in fact just qualifies as an order of magnitude difference. My guess is it's worth something in between, maybe 0.2 secs, but it would be nice to get a solid answer from one of the teams.Covalent wrote:About 4 championshipspurchville wrote:All other things being equal, how much time does a driver lose to his team mate per lap if he weighs, for example, 15 kilograms heavier (due to balast distribution, centre of gravity, etc.)?
Joking aside, interesting question but pretty impossible to give an exact answer to I'd guess!
http://www.fia.com/fia-events/fia-prize-giving-2013Covalent wrote:When is the FIA gala?
The ceremony will take place on Friday December 6th 2013 from 19:00-23:30.
Oh, it's next week already! Cheers.mds wrote:http://www.fia.com/fia-events/fia-prize-giving-2013Covalent wrote:When is the FIA gala?
The ceremony will take place on Friday December 6th 2013 from 19:00-23:30.
"Button saying that every five kilos on the man behind the wheel could add 0.2 seconds to a lap."mds wrote:I thought 10kgs of fuel means a difference of about .3s (and this is ofcourse dependent of track length).purchville wrote:Agreed it's a very difficult question to answer, but you hear different figures depending on who it comes from. Jensen has said it costs up to 0.5 secs IIRC. Then others on this forum have said that it's only about 0.05 secs. That's a 10-fold difference...in fact just qualifies as an order of magnitude difference. My guess is it's worth something in between, maybe 0.2 secs, but it would be nice to get a solid answer from one of the teams.Covalent wrote:About 4 championshipspurchville wrote:All other things being equal, how much time does a driver lose to his team mate per lap if he weighs, for example, 15 kilograms heavier (due to balast distribution, centre of gravity, etc.)?
Joking aside, interesting question but pretty impossible to give an exact answer to I'd guess!
But that's an absolute difference of 10kg.
In the case of a driver's weight, there's no weight difference between the packages. It's only the ballast and CoG. I'd be very surprised if it was as much as .1s.
I think I once saw Hulk or Webber responding to this, saying it didn't matter much. But I can't remember it exactly.