It is currently Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:46 am

All times are UTC


Forum rules


Please read the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:30 pm 
Online

Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:13 pm
Posts: 17021
Well, what do we make of this?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:40 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:03 pm
Posts: 1414
Water is wet, Popes defecate in woods, Alonsos return to Renault :)

Happy to see him back. I still think he's one of the best and I like to see the best driving an F1 car.

_________________
===\ō͡≡\ō͡≡o˞̶ ===\ō͡≡\ō͡≡o˞̶ ===\ō͡≡\ō͡≡o˞̶ ===\ō͡≡\ō͡≡o˞̶ ===\ō͡≡\ō͡≡o˞̶===


Last edited by wolfticket on Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:41 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm
Posts: 34286
Good to see him come back before he finally gets too old, maybe it also helped seeing Ocon getting totally owned by Ricciardo so he's maybe not a threat.

I guess this leaves Vettel high and dry though?

_________________
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:46 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:29 pm
Posts: 2643
I've never been more in for anything more. Roll on 2021!

_________________
"Always believe you will become the best, but never believe you have done so"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:03 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:15 am
Posts: 2337
I don't believe Alonso is anything like as good as he once was. I personally thought his attitude and disrespect for McLaren honda was not awful. And in those years, we don't really have much evidence to suggest how good he was There wasn't a great difference between him and button (who was past his best) and then he was against Vandoorne who really was underwhelming. He did have a few (although not many) poor judgements. 2 being close together at the end of 2015 and start of 2016.

I think he will be better than a lot of current drivers, but I don't think i would confirm him as a top level driver until he proves that over a season. And he could prove me wrong.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 23, 2013 1:05 pm
Posts: 7987
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
I've never been more in for anything more. Roll on 2021!

I'm hoping it's a 2 year deal, give him a year to get back into the groove and working with the team before the big regulation change.

Either way it will be good to have him back on the grid.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:16 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:14 am
Posts: 1760
pokerman wrote:
Good to see him come back before he finally gets too old, maybe it also helped seeing Ocon getting totally owned by Ricciardo so he's maybe not a threat.

I guess this leaves Vettel high and dry though?


Jesus Poker, it’s been one weekend. Give Ocon a bit of time, he hasn’t drove an F1 car competitively in over 18 months.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:31 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:06 pm
Posts: 2875
Location: England
I really, really, really don't get it from Alonso's perspective. He quit the first time round because he didn't want to roll around in midfield.... and he's coming back to join a team that is behind the team he left in the midfield pecking order. I guess this means Vettel's race is run in F1, unless Lance calls it a career at the end of the year and Vettel joins AM.

We shall see.

_________________
PF1 Pick 10 Competition 2019:
Current positon: 14th | 4 Podiums | 5 Wins
2018 Pick 10 Champion


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:43 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:47 pm
Posts: 3472
Flash2k11 wrote:
I really, really, really don't get it from Alonso's perspective. He quit the first time round because he didn't want to roll around in midfield.... and he's coming back to join a team that is behind the team he left in the midfield pecking order. I guess this means Vettel's race is run in F1, unless Lance calls it a career at the end of the year and Vettel joins AM.

We shall see.


BIB: From Alonso's perspective, I think it's a no brainer.

Worst case scenario, Renault are in the lower midfield both in 2020 and again when the regulations change for 2021. So he pockets a nice chunk of change (I'm sure he'll be getting upwards of 10m a season) and walks away at the end of 2021. Knowing Alonso he'll drag the car to places Ocon can't so his reputation will remain intact, if not slightly enhanced due to the 'Alonso outperforming the car' narrative.

Best case scenario, Renault finally get it right and are near to (or even at) the front in 2021. Alonso gets more podiums, wins and perhaps even another shot at the title. It justifies his return and a year in the midfield in 2020, and perhaps even extends his return beyond 2021. Again, he'd be ahead of Ocon so his reputation will be enhanced, and he'll get to drive off into F1 retirement another 20m, maybe 30m richer.

_________________
Pick 10 | 1st x3, 2nd x3, 3rd x8
2019: 11th | 2018: 5th | 2017: 6th | 2016: 8th | 2015: 2nd | 2014: 15th | 2013: 17th | 2012: 11th


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:20 am
Posts: 1407
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
I don't believe Alonso is anything like as good as he once was. I personally thought his attitude and disrespect for McLaren honda was not awful. And in those years, we don't really have much evidence to suggest how good he was There wasn't a great difference between him and button (who was past his best) and then he was against Vandoorne who really was underwhelming. He did have a few (although not many) poor judgements. 2 being close together at the end of 2015 and start of 2016.

I think he will be better than a lot of current drivers, but I don't think i would confirm him as a top level driver until he proves that over a season. And he could prove me wrong.


You can’t right off Alonso. Schumacher came back at 41 and after a year after he broke his neck. Alonso is will be 39 and kept up driving too. Schumacher was on Rosbergs pace as he approached his 44th birthday.

I would not right Alonso off until we see it, the guy has always showed up. Any type of car, year, tyres, series etc. You say he had slowed by the time he got teamed up with Button he was only 33-35 years old. Hamilton is 35 now for reference.

It’s great to have him back and I think he has 2-4 years left in himself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:36 pm
Posts: 5248
I read it's a 3 year deal which I'm a bit surprised about but with where Renault are,the additions of his Ferrari friends in Fry and De Beer to go along with Budkowski and with the Budget Cap coming in I guess it makes sense for lack of any top 3 interest to think slightly longer term.

I hope Renault can provide the car to make it an interesting 2022 at least but I'm still glad I get to see him drive an F1 car again next year and I'm already looking forward to the battles with the Macca drivers we will hopefully get next year.

_________________
"Clark came through at the end of the first lap so far ahead that we in the pits were convinced that the rest of the field must have been wiped out in an accident."
-Eddie Dennis, describing the dominance of Jim Clark in the Lotus 49 at Spa 1967


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:21 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:53 pm
Posts: 8314
Location: Mumbai, India
It's been said he may be officially announced tomorrow as their 2021 driver.

_________________
Feel The Fourth


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:14 am
Posts: 1760
When the rumours started about a possible Alonso return back when Ricciardo was announced for McLaren, I was a bit 'meh' about it and thought Alonso should just move on and concentrate on other motorsport. But when the news broke this afternoon, it seems like it is going to happen and I was really excited :]

Renault will be midfield again next year but Alonso is taking the Hamilton to Mercedes type gamble for 2022.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 23, 2013 1:05 pm
Posts: 7987
JN23 wrote:
Renault will be midfield again next year but Alonso is taking the Hamilton to Mercedes type gamble for 2022.

This is pretty smart from Renault, they're clearly struggling to improve the car and one tried and tested method is to have Alonso drive for you for a while, as when he leaves they will instantly find a second per lap in performance.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:40 am 
Online

Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:13 pm
Posts: 17021
Assuming Alonso is still the same old points monster he always was then Renault will almost certainly finish higher in the championship with him than without.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:52 am
Posts: 3006
According to the BBC it has been confirmed.

_________________
Where I'm going, I don't need roads


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:32 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:42 pm
Posts: 2266
It's official


_________________
Top Three Team Champions 2017 (With Jezza13)
Group Pick 'Em Champion: 2016 & 2019


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:07 pm
Posts: 10061
I would rather have seen him up against Ricciardo TBH. I wonder if Dan saw this coming...

_________________
Räikkönen - Vettel - Bottas
Thank you Nico - You´re the champ!

PF1 Pick 10 Competition 2016: CHAMPION (2 wins, 8 podiums)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:48 pm
Posts: 41
Covalent wrote:
I would rather have seen him up against Ricciardo TBH. I wonder if Dan saw this coming...

But wasn't it Dan moving to McLaren that opened up the opportunity for Alonso to Renault.

Loving the possibility to see Alonso racing again, shame it won't be in a top notch car - so not sure what he'll be able to achieve other than have some fun.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:28 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:48 pm
Posts: 3406
Location: UK
A tremendous statement of intent from Renault, it does show that they have ambitions beyond hanging around in the midfield as they have done since their return. Though on the flip side, it also makes it much more likely that if they don't achieve their ambitions then they'll end up pulling out of the sport.

Great to have Alonso back, though part of me is a little disappointed that this might cost Guanyu Zhou a chance at a race seat for next year.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm
Posts: 34286
Covalent wrote:
I would rather have seen him up against Ricciardo TBH. I wonder if Dan saw this coming...

Ocon is on a 2 year contract so it needed Ricciardo to leave for Alonso to be signed.

Hamilton will be especially pleased, it ensures he will not be the oldest driver in F1. :)

_________________
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:32 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm
Posts: 34286
JN23 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Good to see him come back before he finally gets too old, maybe it also helped seeing Ocon getting totally owned by Ricciardo so he's maybe not a threat.

I guess this leaves Vettel high and dry though?


Jesus Poker, it’s been one weekend. Give Ocon a bit of time, he hasn’t drove an F1 car competitively in over 18 months.

I'm sure he will close the gap, it's a big gap to close though.

_________________
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2013: 5th Place
2014: Champion
2015: 3rd Place
2016: 4th Place

2017: 9th Place
2018: 7th place

Wins: Canada 2018, Abu Dhabi 2017
Podiums: (8)


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group