Page 26 of 36
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:14 pm
by Covalent
I´m probably as far from a Alonso supporter as you´ll find on this forum but I wouldn´t call that piece a love letter.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:01 am
by pokerman
Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:
I think that's pretty unfair on the article, it leaves plenty out of 2007 from both sides as its not just a 2007 piece. It says Lewis was on pace immediately, he wasn't. He was half a second slower on Michelins in testing. It doesn't mention Alonso not being allowed to run Hitco brakes until the summer or the whole racing Alonso thing, tyre blanket suspicion and independent steward request. All things that would be included in any puff piece and they'd certainly not "reveal" the full extent of the running out of fuel story a few days before has to sit and likely answer questions about it on his last weekend.
I do think Crashgate should've been mentioned though,but then they should've noted him being cleared as well but he's left out the second Renault stint entirely.
But the piece criticises his decision making, the people he kept around him, his attitude and ultimately how he couldn't achieve what he should've. That's not a puff piece, its just not an all out bash piece either like I said. It will make Alonso fans uncomfortable reading it in places but also apparently those wanting more shots at him too so it does about as good a job as you can do I think.
Just one point I would take up with you, what has testing on Michelins got to do what was said in the article, on the pace from day 1 clearly is referencing from race 1.
They were referencing his confidence of beating the rookie and his concern for the WCC, I assume both of those things stemmed from Lewis writing off that tub trying to keep up in testing, so to mention the self confidence and concern for WCC but not mention where it might have stemmed from was a little iffy.
Not a big deal though and obviously in Australia he was clearly on pace right away.
I was just questioning your interpretation of Hamilton not being on the pace from day 1 in respect to the article.
When referencing Hamilton being half a second off the pace on Michelins was that not in respect to Kimi, did Alonso ever test the McLaren on Michelins?
Hamilton did crash the McLaren on a wet/damp track, you seem to have entwined this in with Hamilton trying to make up the half a second deficit to Alonso and trying to hard?
And I explained my interpretation.
It's not my entwining, it was a Mark Hughes comment on the recent team mate comparison article. From the comments section and in reply to a question about what would've happened if they'd remained with Michelin...
Mark Hughes wrote:I'm pretty sure it would've taken Hamilton a few races to reach Alonso's level if they were still on Michelins (which Alonso had raced for years while the Bridgestones they did race on were new to Alonso but quite similar to what Hamilton was used to in GP2). The early testing was done on Michelins and Alonso was consistently 0.5-6s faster, with Hamilton actually writing a tub off trying to get within half a second. So yes,I think it would've been different but Hamilton would've got there eventually.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... on-f1-2017
That doesn't access the article you posted, reading the reddit link backs up what I said about Alonso never driving the McLaren on the Michelin tyres.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:07 pm
by owenmahamilton
Just seen this video, nice to see the deckchair got more use, lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CohuAMqJFNc
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:30 pm
by JN23
Nice video
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:12 am
by Lotus49
pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:
Just one point I would take up with you, what has testing on Michelins got to do what was said in the article, on the pace from day 1 clearly is referencing from race 1.
They were referencing his confidence of beating the rookie and his concern for the WCC, I assume both of those things stemmed from Lewis writing off that tub trying to keep up in testing, so to mention the self confidence and concern for WCC but not mention where it might have stemmed from was a little iffy.
Not a big deal though and obviously in Australia he was clearly on pace right away.
I was just questioning your interpretation of Hamilton not being on the pace from day 1 in respect to the article.
When referencing Hamilton being half a second off the pace on Michelins was that not in respect to Kimi, did Alonso ever test the McLaren on Michelins?
Hamilton did crash the McLaren on a wet/damp track, you seem to have entwined this in with Hamilton trying to make up the half a second deficit to Alonso and trying to hard?
And I explained my interpretation.
It's not my entwining, it was a Mark Hughes comment on the recent team mate comparison article. From the comments section and in reply to a question about what would've happened if they'd remained with Michelin...
Mark Hughes wrote:I'm pretty sure it would've taken Hamilton a few races to reach Alonso's level if they were still on Michelins (which Alonso had raced for years while the Bridgestones they did race on were new to Alonso but quite similar to what Hamilton was used to in GP2). The early testing was done on Michelins and Alonso was consistently 0.5-6s faster, with Hamilton actually writing a tub off trying to get within half a second. So yes,I think it would've been different but Hamilton would've got there eventually.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... on-f1-2017
That doesn't access the article you posted, reading the reddit link backs up what I said about Alonso never driving the McLaren on the Michelin tyres.
The link seems to work for me? (The quote is in the comments section below)
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:00 am
by pokerman
Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:
They were referencing his confidence of beating the rookie and his concern for the WCC, I assume both of those things stemmed from Lewis writing off that tub trying to keep up in testing, so to mention the self confidence and concern for WCC but not mention where it might have stemmed from was a little iffy.
Not a big deal though and obviously in Australia he was clearly on pace right away.
I was just questioning your interpretation of Hamilton not being on the pace from day 1 in respect to the article.
When referencing Hamilton being half a second off the pace on Michelins was that not in respect to Kimi, did Alonso ever test the McLaren on Michelins?
Hamilton did crash the McLaren on a wet/damp track, you seem to have entwined this in with Hamilton trying to make up the half a second deficit to Alonso and trying to hard?
And I explained my interpretation.
It's not my entwining, it was a Mark Hughes comment on the recent team mate comparison article. From the comments section and in reply to a question about what would've happened if they'd remained with Michelin...
Mark Hughes wrote:I'm pretty sure it would've taken Hamilton a few races to reach Alonso's level if they were still on Michelins (which Alonso had raced for years while the Bridgestones they did race on were new to Alonso but quite similar to what Hamilton was used to in GP2). The early testing was done on Michelins and Alonso was consistently 0.5-6s faster, with Hamilton actually writing a tub off trying to get within half a second. So yes,I think it would've been different but Hamilton would've got there eventually.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... on-f1-2017
That doesn't access the article you posted, reading the reddit link backs up what I said about Alonso never driving the McLaren on the Michelin tyres.
The link seems to work for me? (The quote is in the comments section below)
Oh I just read the article.
Edit: Read it now, did Hughes make a mistake with the Michelins?
Interesting that Hughes considered that both Alonso and Hamilton operated at a much higher level than Kimi in 2007.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:19 am
by Lotus49
pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:
I was just questioning your interpretation of Hamilton not being on the pace from day 1 in respect to the article.
When referencing Hamilton being half a second off the pace on Michelins was that not in respect to Kimi, did Alonso ever test the McLaren on Michelins?
Hamilton did crash the McLaren on a wet/damp track, you seem to have entwined this in with Hamilton trying to make up the half a second deficit to Alonso and trying to hard?
And I explained my interpretation.
It's not my entwining, it was a Mark Hughes comment on the recent team mate comparison article. From the comments section and in reply to a question about what would've happened if they'd remained with Michelin...
Mark Hughes wrote:I'm pretty sure it would've taken Hamilton a few races to reach Alonso's level if they were still on Michelins (which Alonso had raced for years while the Bridgestones they did race on were new to Alonso but quite similar to what Hamilton was used to in GP2). The early testing was done on Michelins and Alonso was consistently 0.5-6s faster, with Hamilton actually writing a tub off trying to get within half a second. So yes,I think it would've been different but Hamilton would've got there eventually.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... on-f1-2017
That doesn't access the article you posted, reading the reddit link backs up what I said about Alonso never driving the McLaren on the Michelin tyres.
The link seems to work for me? (The quote is in the comments section below)
Oh I just read the article.
Edit: Read it now, did Hughes make a mistake with the Michelins?
Interesting that Hughes considered that both Alonso and Hamilton operated at a much higher level than Kimi in 2007.
I genuinely have no idea who's made a mistake or if any mistake has been made, I can't answer for him.
I'd certainly say Lewis did and I'd probably agree on Alonso although he had some moments and Kimi's run in is a bit under rated because of all that went on in McLaren and Massa seemingly giving him the win in Brazil. Tbh its a long time ago but I'm not sure about 'much higher'. Considering Lewis was a rookie I could see that tag for him though I think.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:06 am
by pokerman
Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:
That doesn't access the article you posted, reading the reddit link backs up what I said about Alonso never driving the McLaren on the Michelin tyres.
The link seems to work for me? (The quote is in the comments section below)
Oh I just read the article.
Edit: Read it now, did Hughes make a mistake with the Michelins?
Interesting that Hughes considered that both Alonso and Hamilton operated at a much higher level than Kimi in 2007.
I genuinely have no idea who's made a mistake or if any mistake has been made, I can't answer for him.
I'd certainly say Lewis did and I'd probably agree on Alonso although he had some moments and Kimi's run in is a bit under rated because of all that went on in McLaren and Massa seemingly giving him the win in Brazil. Tbh its a long time ago but I'm not sure about 'much higher'. Considering Lewis was a rookie I could see that tag for him though I think.
Well somebody posted a link to the testing schedule that never had Alonso running on Michelins?
You mean Hamilton made a mistake in Hungary?
It's interesting reading Hughes' take on things although it's a bit disjointed in knowing the timeline, he seems to suggest that running Hamilton out of fuel was actually first brought up by Alonso before Hungary, Hamilton had been made aware about this and perhaps became paranoid hence his actions in Hungary perhaps?
I find this interesting because I've already said similar myself in respect to Hamilton being paranoid and Alonso plotting in the background although I'd never heard about the running out of fuel thing.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:41 am
by UnlikeUday
A great tribute video for Alonso with everyone giving their opinion about what Alonso would be remembered for:
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:33 am
by Mercedes-Benz
Nice compilation. I do not believe him that RBR had contacted him couple of time before and also regarding next year. Alonso could return in 2020 I think if Mclaren are good. Norris should be given at least 2yrs IMO so if Sainz has a bad year like Vandoorne he might be dropped. But I don't think that will happen.
https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/2433 ... le-in-2019
Kubica is coming back to Williams who ATM are the worst team in F1 and Kimi going to Saubers for 2yrs. So nothing is impossible
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:49 pm
by Lotus49
pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:
The link seems to work for me? (The quote is in the comments section below)
Oh I just read the article.
Edit: Read it now, did Hughes make a mistake with the Michelins?
Interesting that Hughes considered that both Alonso and Hamilton operated at a much higher level than Kimi in 2007.
I genuinely have no idea who's made a mistake or if any mistake has been made, I can't answer for him.
I'd certainly say Lewis did and I'd probably agree on Alonso although he had some moments and Kimi's run in is a bit under rated because of all that went on in McLaren and Massa seemingly giving him the win in Brazil. Tbh its a long time ago but I'm not sure about 'much higher'. Considering Lewis was a rookie I could see that tag for him though I think.
Well somebody posted a link to the testing schedule that never had Alonso running on Michelins?
You mean Hamilton made a mistake in Hungary?
It's interesting reading Hughes' take on things although it's a bit disjointed in knowing the timeline, he seems to suggest that running Hamilton out of fuel was actually first brought up by Alonso before Hungary, Hamilton had been made aware about this and perhaps became paranoid hence his actions in Hungary perhaps?
I find this interesting because I've already said similar myself in respect to Hamilton being paranoid and Alonso plotting in the background although I'd never heard about the running out of fuel thing.
Yes a testing schedule with no links to confirm anything and like I said I can't answer if Hughes has made a mistake or the anonymous poster on reddit has.
No idea what on earth you think you read to get this random response about Lewis in Hungary? At least give me a clue as to what you think I said this time?
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:57 pm
by pokerman
Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:
The link seems to work for me? (The quote is in the comments section below)
Oh I just read the article.
Edit: Read it now, did Hughes make a mistake with the Michelins?
Interesting that Hughes considered that both Alonso and Hamilton operated at a much higher level than Kimi in 2007.
I genuinely have no idea who's made a mistake or if any mistake has been made, I can't answer for him.
I'd certainly say Lewis did and I'd probably agree on Alonso although he had some moments and Kimi's run in is a bit under rated because of all that went on in McLaren and Massa seemingly giving him the win in Brazil. Tbh its a long time ago but I'm not sure about 'much higher'. Considering Lewis was a rookie I could see that tag for him though I think.
Well somebody posted a link to the testing schedule that never had Alonso running on Michelins?
You mean Hamilton made a mistake in Hungary?
It's interesting reading Hughes' take on things although it's a bit disjointed in knowing the timeline, he seems to suggest that running Hamilton out of fuel was actually first brought up by Alonso before Hungary, Hamilton had been made aware about this and perhaps became paranoid hence his actions in Hungary perhaps?
I find this interesting because I've already said similar myself in respect to Hamilton being paranoid and Alonso plotting in the background although I'd never heard about the running out of fuel thing.
Yes a testing schedule with no links to confirm anything and like I said I can't answer if Hughes has made a mistake or the anonymous poster on reddit has.
No idea what on earth you think you read to get this random response about Lewis in Hungary? At least give me a clue as to what you think I said this time?
It's not what you said but what Hughes said in the comments section.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:00 pm
by Lotus49
pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:
Oh I just read the article.
Edit: Read it now, did Hughes make a mistake with the Michelins?
Interesting that Hughes considered that both Alonso and Hamilton operated at a much higher level than Kimi in 2007.
I genuinely have no idea who's made a mistake or if any mistake has been made, I can't answer for him.
I'd certainly say Lewis did and I'd probably agree on Alonso although he had some moments and Kimi's run in is a bit under rated because of all that went on in McLaren and Massa seemingly giving him the win in Brazil. Tbh its a long time ago but I'm not sure about 'much higher'. Considering Lewis was a rookie I could see that tag for him though I think.
Well somebody posted a link to the testing schedule that never had Alonso running on Michelins?
You mean Hamilton made a mistake in Hungary?
It's interesting reading Hughes' take on things although it's a bit disjointed in knowing the timeline, he seems to suggest that running Hamilton out of fuel was actually first brought up by Alonso before Hungary, Hamilton had been made aware about this and perhaps became paranoid hence his actions in Hungary perhaps?
I find this interesting because I've already said similar myself in respect to Hamilton being paranoid and Alonso plotting in the background although I'd never heard about the running out of fuel thing.
Yes a testing schedule with no links to confirm anything and like I said I can't answer if Hughes has made a mistake or the anonymous poster on reddit has.
No idea what on earth you think you read to get this random response about Lewis in Hungary? At least give me a clue as to what you think I said this time?
It's not what you said but what Hughes said in the comments section.
Can I get a hint as to what he said then?
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:11 pm
by pokerman
Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:
I genuinely have no idea who's made a mistake or if any mistake has been made, I can't answer for him.
I'd certainly say Lewis did and I'd probably agree on Alonso although he had some moments and Kimi's run in is a bit under rated because of all that went on in McLaren and Massa seemingly giving him the win in Brazil. Tbh its a long time ago but I'm not sure about 'much higher'. Considering Lewis was a rookie I could see that tag for him though I think.
Well somebody posted a link to the testing schedule that never had Alonso running on Michelins?
You mean Hamilton made a mistake in Hungary?
It's interesting reading Hughes' take on things although it's a bit disjointed in knowing the timeline, he seems to suggest that running Hamilton out of fuel was actually first brought up by Alonso before Hungary, Hamilton had been made aware about this and perhaps became paranoid hence his actions in Hungary perhaps?
I find this interesting because I've already said similar myself in respect to Hamilton being paranoid and Alonso plotting in the background although I'd never heard about the running out of fuel thing.
Yes a testing schedule with no links to confirm anything and like I said I can't answer if Hughes has made a mistake or the anonymous poster on reddit has.
No idea what on earth you think you read to get this random response about Lewis in Hungary? At least give me a clue as to what you think I said this time?
It's not what you said but what Hughes said in the comments section.
Can I get a hint as to what he said then?
The race is about to start, I did take the trouble myself to read the complete article you posted, even so I will post it later.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:13 pm
by Lotus49
pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:
Well somebody posted a link to the testing schedule that never had Alonso running on Michelins?
You mean Hamilton made a mistake in Hungary?
It's interesting reading Hughes' take on things although it's a bit disjointed in knowing the timeline, he seems to suggest that running Hamilton out of fuel was actually first brought up by Alonso before Hungary, Hamilton had been made aware about this and perhaps became paranoid hence his actions in Hungary perhaps?
I find this interesting because I've already said similar myself in respect to Hamilton being paranoid and Alonso plotting in the background although I'd never heard about the running out of fuel thing.
Yes a testing schedule with no links to confirm anything and like I said I can't answer if Hughes has made a mistake or the anonymous poster on reddit has.
No idea what on earth you think you read to get this random response about Lewis in Hungary? At least give me a clue as to what you think I said this time?
It's not what you said but what Hughes said in the comments section.
Can I get a hint as to what he said then?
The race is about to start, I did take the trouble myself to read the complete article you posted, even so I will post it later.
I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick on something, You've completely lost me now.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:27 pm
by BMWSauber84
Alonso departs. Himself, Raikkonen and Montoya were three who debuted at the 2001 Australian Grand prix and all were considered potential heirs to Schumacher before too long. With Kimi dropping out of the frontline battle it really does feel like the end of an era.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:11 pm
by sandman1347
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:21 pm
by sandman1347
BMWSauber84 wrote:Alonso departs. Himself, Raikkonen and Montoya were three who debuted at the 2001 Australian Grand prix and all were considered potential heirs to Schumacher before too long. With Kimi dropping out of the frontline battle it really does feel like the end of an era.
Button showed up in 2000 just one year earlier. I'd include him in that group.
Hamilton and Vettel are coming towards the end of their time as well I think. It's possible Vettel might stick around for quite a while yet but most people feel that Hamilton is into the final stretch of his career. Certainly his career will only continue so long as he has competitive machinery. The moment that changes, I believe Lewis will walk away. Vettel is harder to predict but even he is 31 years old now. I still think of all of them as youngsters lol.
All signs point to F1 being in good hands when they leave though. I think Max and Charles will carry the torch admirably when their time comes.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:19 am
by Exediron
Thank you for everything, Fernando. Best of luck winning elsewhere!
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:24 am
by pokerman
Nice send off from Hamilton and Vettel.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:56 am
by sandman1347
pokerman wrote:
Nice send off from Hamilton and Vettel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4oFQkex9Dg&t=1s
Yeah this is the official video. Goosebumps! Three legends doing donuts in F1 cars!
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:56 pm
by pokerman
Seeing Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel plus Verstappen all together on the start/finish straight being interviewed, that's got to be something for posterity?
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:40 pm
by Flash2k11
pokerman wrote:
Seeing Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel plus Verstappen all together on the start/finish straight being interviewed, that's got to be something for posterity?
Up there with 'that' photo of Prost, Senna, Mansell and Piquet.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:55 am
by pokerman
Flash2k11 wrote:pokerman wrote:
Seeing Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel plus Verstappen all together on the start/finish straight being interviewed, that's got to be something for posterity?
Up there with 'that' photo of Prost, Senna, Mansell and Piquet.
Yeah very much a similar thing.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:09 am
by Siao7
Really beautiful sight. A proper goodbye
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:00 pm
by pc27b
i texted my brother when that was happening, pretty cool. vettel and alonso looked synchronized
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:59 pm
by JN23
pc27b wrote:
i texted my brother when that was happening, pretty cool.
vettel and alonso looked synchronized
Idea for a new consturctors championship.. synchronized donuts!
Great video with the best three of their generation.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:29 pm
by Blinky McSquinty
As I watched Alonso get into his car my heart was filled with sadness because the man is still one of the very best, and because he could not find a good ride, decided to go elsewhere.
It is a damning condemnation on Formula One when a top driver is stalled because of the lack of parity and opportunities.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:35 pm
by Flash2k11
Blinky McSquinty wrote:As I watched Alonso get into his car my heart was filled with sadness because the man is still one of the very best, and because he could not find a good ride, decided to go elsewhere.
It is a damning condemnation on Formula One when a top driver is stalled because of the lack of parity and opportunities.
Oppertunities he has himself closed the avenues too. I have some sympathy because he clearly is still right on top of his game and should still be considered one of the standout drivers, but his behaviour down the years was only ever going to put the corporate types off of him, and that's another skill a driver has to have these days.
Pure driving ability, rightly or wrongly, wont get you into the top seats anymore, you have to play the game as well, and Alonso, for all of his brilliance (and for all of his virtues, for speaking his mind, something I don't disagree with at all) has painted himself into the corner he finds himself in. While we shouldn't have to kowtow to those in power, the reality is that we all have to suck it up sometimes in all walks of life. Alonso was unable to do that, and this is why we are where we are.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:55 pm
by WHoff78
Blinky McSquinty wrote:As I watched Alonso get into his car my heart was filled with sadness because the man is still one of the very best, and because he could not find a good ride, decided to go elsewhere.
It is a damning condemnation on Formula One when a top driver is stalled because of the lack of parity and opportunities.
Or a reflection of the quality and depth in the current driver field with younger drivers providing strong options, as well as the closing of the front teams meaning that teams contemplating championships are much more likely to operate with a star driver and solid no. 2 combo. Competition has been disappointingly weak between 2014-16, and even since then with only Ferrari getting close, but there are signs that things are moving in the right direction.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:55 pm
by Lotus49
The biggest problem was he was in a top team, they just failed spectacularly and couldn't then match the budget and new toys of the now big 3 instead of 4.
He had a good situation, a No.2, everything Mercedes and Ferrari had so that's not really the issue for me. McLaren-Honda and bespoke fuel supplier Exxon, a project that was supposed to allow them to compete financially on both chassis and engine fronts, just failed miserably and sparked a sponsor exodus and so his position then became a bad one and he was left outside looking in on the only two competitive teams, one team who literally just had a toxic driver atmosphere in the team brought on by competition (Mercedes) and the one team he walked away from because he'd lost faith in them and publicly said so (Ferrari).
There's just no reason to put him next to Lewis and rock the boat for Mercedes or risk going through a Nico/Lewis or 2007 repeat and he dumped Ferrari so there's just nothing out there until "his" team become a big one again and get back to the front.
If they ever do so.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:24 pm
by Lotus49
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:31 pm
by owenmahamilton
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:39 pm
by pokerman
Indeed and has to be said not his preferred choice.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:12 pm
by Exediron
pokerman wrote:
Indeed and has to be said not his preferred choice.
No, but you have to remember that the engine differences in Indy are not as big as in F1. The Honda has typically had a bit of an edge in recent years, but we're only talking 20-30 bhp at the absolute most. He'll still be able to win with the Chevy engine if everything goes well.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:08 pm
by Lotus49
pokerman wrote:
Indeed and has to be said not his preferred choice.
Says who? It was McLaren's preferred choice to run Chevy and his own preferred choice was to run with McLaren as Pruett said he had other offers so not sure what he expected if his preferred choice wasn't Chevy.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:02 am
by pokerman
Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:
Indeed and has to be said not his preferred choice.
Says who? It was McLaren's preferred choice to run Chevy and his own preferred choice was to run with McLaren as Pruett said he had other offers so not sure what he expected if his preferred choice wasn't Chevy.
Ok then it was Alonso's preferred choice to run with McLaren but Honda wouldn't supply McLaren with engines which was their preferred choice.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:05 am
by pokerman
Exediron wrote:pokerman wrote:
Indeed and has to be said not his preferred choice.
No, but you have to remember that the engine differences in Indy are not as big as in F1. The Honda has typically had a bit of an edge in recent years, but we're only talking 20-30 bhp at the absolute most. He'll still be able to win with the Chevy engine if everything goes well.
Yeah there is probably not much difference but wasn't it more of a case of wanting to run under the Andretti stable again running exactly the same equipment?
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:57 am
by Lotus49
pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:
Indeed and has to be said not his preferred choice.
Says who? It was McLaren's preferred choice to run Chevy and his own preferred choice was to run with McLaren as Pruett said he had other offers so not sure what he expected if his preferred choice wasn't Chevy.
Ok then it was Alonso's preferred choice to run with McLaren but Honda wouldn't supply McLaren with engines which was their preferred choice.
Who said Honda were McLaren's preferred choice? Both Pruett and this article state Chevy were McLaren's preferred choice.
Re: The Official Fernando Alonso thread
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:25 pm
by pokerman
Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:Lotus49 wrote:pokerman wrote:
Indeed and has to be said not his preferred choice.
Says who? It was McLaren's preferred choice to run Chevy and his own preferred choice was to run with McLaren as Pruett said he had other offers so not sure what he expected if his preferred choice wasn't Chevy.
Ok then it was Alonso's preferred choice to run with McLaren but Honda wouldn't supply McLaren with engines which was their preferred choice.
Who said Honda were McLaren's preferred choice? Both Pruett and this article state Chevy were McLaren's preferred choice.
I would say that goes against everything that was said before, if Chevy is the preferred chose then why did they bother with Honda in the first place or did Honda actually not say we won't supply you?
Chevy was always the one and only choice, we wouldn't want anyone thinking that McLaren got blocked by Honda in Japan perhaps?