Siao7 wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:42 pm
pokerman wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:35 pm
Invade wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:02 am
As for Germany 2018, is it not possible that Hamilton was "robbed" of what otherwise would have been his most spectacular and iconic win due to Vettel's crash and the ensuing safety car? Was he on his way to destroying his competitors after starting 14th, with immense tyre management and pace?
Was the spectacle somewhat spoiled?
Exactly which is why I was somewhat incensed at the suggestion that Hamilton was lucky, in particular with the SC which did him no favours at all.
Of course, incensed is the right word here.
The SC put him in front of Bottas and with Vettel crashing by himself, I referred to an element of luck. All in all there was an element of luck in that the rain came after his pitstop (some teams got it wrong in subsequent pitstops and fit the cars with intermediates, only to have to do another stop to change back), an element of luck in Vettel crashing out.
Also, Mercedes have actually gone on record to say how fortunate Hamilton was that he did not pit behind Bottas and making that last minute dive around the bollard. Bottas's botched pit stop highlights how Mercedes were not ready to pit Bottas, let alone stacking Hamilton behind him (that would have given 100% the race to Bottas). They were also considering to pit him the lap after to cover Kimi, but in the end decided to leave him out.
So if you think that there was no element of luck at all in that race, then fine, we'll have to agree to disagree.
But I wasn't even arguing that as luck is needed everywhere; it was a great drive overall. All I was saying is that we've seen better drives from him.
Hamilton was 3 seconds behind Bottas after catching him at 1.5 seconds a lap, 3 more laps and he would have been in front but yet again it was the safety car that got Hamlton in front, it was Hamilton that was lucky with the safety car.
Mercedes had no intention of pitting Hamilton onto intermediates, they knew that rain was due but still pitted him onto slicks, they knew the rain wouldn't be enough for intermediates.
I forgot about the pitstop incident with Hamilton, yes Hamilton got lucky that the headless chicken approach when Mercedes need to make a quick decision this time didn't ruin his race, nominally you're deemed to be lucky when you gain advantage not when you narrowly avoid being disadvantaged, Hamilton in fact did well to stop out amongst the in,in,in,in,in, no,out,out,out,out,out,out, no,in,in,in,in,in.
As what's also been posted if not for the SC it could have been seen as Hamilton's greatest drive, the SC was not lucky for Hamilton.