Re: The Official Lewis Hamilton thread
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:55 pm
Why can't he be like that in his interviews with the f1 media
Safe to say the car ahead at turn 1. That predicts over 85% of the races for 2014-2015-2016 between both Mercedes. Using just 2015-2016 that figure is up around 90% when they both finish of course.Andy2402 wrote:The start is part of the race. However yes I wouldn't say rosberg has upped his game so to speak. However who knows who would have won those races even without the issues Lewis had
Yeah it is more obvious now that Lewis had a lazy approach at the end of last year. It takes more than natural talent to make these cars go fast. Doing the homework is equally important and someone slacked off last yearlamo wrote:Great job by Lewis, he is doing great on his weaker tracks this year. Missing out in Japan by 0.013 and today beat Nico in Brazil having been 3-0 down. He is crushing Nico on his normal/strong tracks.
That wins Lewis the qualifying battle at least 11-9 or 11-6 in the sessions Lewis took part in. Without Hungary and Nicos yellow flag run and Lewis' single run on old tyres in Monaco makes that 11-4.
The end of 2015 is now looking more and more of an anomaly, I wasn't willing to give Hamilton the slack of taking his foot off the gas at the end and Nico's superb form was a worry going into 2016. But I would now say Lewis wasn't completely putting the hours in during that period and Nico took a marginal advantage.
The big box to tick off is pole in AD for Lewis now (obviously if tomorrow goes well), that is the big worry. Nico has smashed him there the last 2 years. I expected Lewis to get pole today as even when Lewis was slow at the end of 2015 he was close to Nico at Brazil last year. We are seeing a 0.2 turn around in qualifying from the end of last year.
I said that from before the end of the season last year. It was obvious that Lewis was out to lunch once the title was sewn up. After dominating Rosberg all season, all of a sudden Nico won three in a row from pole!lamo wrote:Great job by Lewis, he is doing great on his weaker tracks this year. Missing out in Japan by 0.013 and today beat Nico in Brazil having been 3-0 down. He is crushing Nico on his normal/strong tracks.
That wins Lewis the qualifying battle at least 11-9 or 11-6 in the sessions Lewis took part in. Without Hungary and Nicos yellow flag run and Lewis' single run on old tyres in Monaco makes that 11-4.
The end of 2015 is now looking more and more of an anomaly, I wasn't willing to give Hamilton the slack of taking his foot off the gas at the end and Nico's superb form was a worry going into 2016. But I would now say Lewis wasn't completely putting the hours in during that period and Nico took a marginal advantage.
The big box to tick off is pole in AD for Lewis now (obviously if tomorrow goes well), that is the big worry. Nico has smashed him there the last 2 years. I expected Lewis to get pole today as even when Lewis was slow at the end of 2015 he was close to Nico at Brazil last year. We are seeing a 0.2 turn around in qualifying from the end of last year.
Nico had good speed over the last 7 races though. Not just those last 3 .sandman1347 wrote:I said that from before the end of the season last year. It was obvious that Lewis was out to lunch once the title was sewn up. After dominating Rosberg all season, all of a sudden Nico won three in a row from pole!lamo wrote:Great job by Lewis, he is doing great on his weaker tracks this year. Missing out in Japan by 0.013 and today beat Nico in Brazil having been 3-0 down. He is crushing Nico on his normal/strong tracks.
That wins Lewis the qualifying battle at least 11-9 or 11-6 in the sessions Lewis took part in. Without Hungary and Nicos yellow flag run and Lewis' single run on old tyres in Monaco makes that 11-4.
The end of 2015 is now looking more and more of an anomaly, I wasn't willing to give Hamilton the slack of taking his foot off the gas at the end and Nico's superb form was a worry going into 2016. But I would now say Lewis wasn't completely putting the hours in during that period and Nico took a marginal advantage.
The big box to tick off is pole in AD for Lewis now (obviously if tomorrow goes well), that is the big worry. Nico has smashed him there the last 2 years. I expected Lewis to get pole today as even when Lewis was slow at the end of 2015 he was close to Nico at Brazil last year. We are seeing a 0.2 turn around in qualifying from the end of last year.
This has been my criticism of Hamilton for years. He's not always at 10/10 of his ability.
If he wins the wdc next year with closer competition, or if his future cars are 3rd best and he still beats the pole record and gets more wins I agree. Or even a few alonso type seasons when he was at ferrari and almost won wdcKingVoid wrote:One of the best drivers ever. I genuinely rate him in the same tier and Senna and Schumacher (well maybe just a tad below).
Rosberg was gifted Mexico by the team insisting Lewis pitted twice.sandman1347 wrote:I said that from before the end of the season last year. It was obvious that Lewis was out to lunch once the title was sewn up. After dominating Rosberg all season, all of a sudden Nico won three in a row from pole!lamo wrote:Great job by Lewis, he is doing great on his weaker tracks this year. Missing out in Japan by 0.013 and today beat Nico in Brazil having been 3-0 down. He is crushing Nico on his normal/strong tracks.
That wins Lewis the qualifying battle at least 11-9 or 11-6 in the sessions Lewis took part in. Without Hungary and Nicos yellow flag run and Lewis' single run on old tyres in Monaco makes that 11-4.
The end of 2015 is now looking more and more of an anomaly, I wasn't willing to give Hamilton the slack of taking his foot off the gas at the end and Nico's superb form was a worry going into 2016. But I would now say Lewis wasn't completely putting the hours in during that period and Nico took a marginal advantage.
The big box to tick off is pole in AD for Lewis now (obviously if tomorrow goes well), that is the big worry. Nico has smashed him there the last 2 years. I expected Lewis to get pole today as even when Lewis was slow at the end of 2015 he was close to Nico at Brazil last year. We are seeing a 0.2 turn around in qualifying from the end of last year.
This has been my criticism of Hamilton for years. He's not always at 10/10 of his ability.
LOL, Rosberg was not gifted anything. If Nico knew that Lewis would not pit again, he wouldn't have pitted a second time either.GingerFurball wrote:Rosberg was gifted Mexico by the team insisting Lewis pitted twice.
Yes Nico will win it. I thought Lewis overtook Nico in wins today, but it is 9-9.GingerFurball wrote:Am I right in saying that if Rosberg DNFs and Hamilton finishes 4th then Rosberg takes the title on countback (4 second places to 3?)
I shouldn't discount mind games. I often take what drivers say before a race with a pinch of salt as I don't think they are always being entirely truthful. That's not to say I think there's any malice behind it, but it wouldn't be the first time a driver has engaged in psychological warfarelamo wrote:Does anybody else think some fans know better than the drivers?
I have heard Lewis state a few times "I am always strong in AD, its a good race for me", sure he has won there 3 times (retired from the lead another time) but the reality is that it is a weak track for him against Nico. He won in 2014 because he beat him off the line. He lost the other 2 seasons.
I would say this is his weakest track. He has been 0.350-0.400 behind him in the last 3 years in qualifying, 3-0 down (I don't think there is another track he has been whitewashed on) Brazil was also 3-0 but now 3-1, but the gap there was always less than 0.1
We all know it is a race to turn 1 so its all about qualifying and then the start. This is one of the few races on the calendar that I would back Nico to get pole and then go on to win, over Lewis.
There could be an element of that of course. But I think he genuinely thinks he is strong and I guess on race results he is (2nd,1st,7th, retired from lead,1st, 2nd, retired from lead) I said he won it three times, it is twice and retired from strong leads twice.Zoue wrote:I shouldn't discount mind games. I often take what drivers say before a race with a pinch of salt as I don't think they are always being entirely truthful. That's not to say I think there's any malice behind it, but it wouldn't be the first time a driver has engaged in psychological warfarelamo wrote:Does anybody else think some fans know better than the drivers?
I have heard Lewis state a few times "I am always strong in AD, its a good race for me", sure he has won there 3 times (retired from the lead another time) but the reality is that it is a weak track for him against Nico. He won in 2014 because he beat him off the line. He lost the other 2 seasons.
I would say this is his weakest track. He has been 0.350-0.400 behind him in the last 3 years in qualifying, 3-0 down (I don't think there is another track he has been whitewashed on) Brazil was also 3-0 but now 3-1, but the gap there was always less than 0.1
We all know it is a race to turn 1 so its all about qualifying and then the start. This is one of the few races on the calendar that I would back Nico to get pole and then go on to win, over Lewis.
Clarified by Hamilton -Zoue wrote:I shouldn't discount mind games. I often take what drivers say before a race with a pinch of salt as I don't think they are always being entirely truthful. That's not to say I think there's any malice behind it, but it wouldn't be the first time a driver has engaged in psychological warfarelamo wrote:Does anybody else think some fans know better than the drivers?
I have heard Lewis state a few times "I am always strong in AD, its a good race for me", sure he has won there 3 times (retired from the lead another time) but the reality is that it is a weak track for him against Nico. He won in 2014 because he beat him off the line. He lost the other 2 seasons.
I would say this is his weakest track. He has been 0.350-0.400 behind him in the last 3 years in qualifying, 3-0 down (I don't think there is another track he has been whitewashed on) Brazil was also 3-0 but now 3-1, but the gap there was always less than 0.1
We all know it is a race to turn 1 so its all about qualifying and then the start. This is one of the few races on the calendar that I would back Nico to get pole and then go on to win, over Lewis.
Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.
The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the titleSR1 wrote:Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.
The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
I've been a fan of him since he joined in 2007 and from a point of view I kinda agree with what sandman said ,despite all gremlins and reability issues he encountered all season long ,poor starts cost him too.It's been a common issue for both and Nico did a better job. As a fan I'm proud of him for everything he's done this season to keep the hopes alive till the last race against all odds.SR1 wrote:Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.
The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Malaysia & China. Those 2 races alone--he has lost approx 50 points. Points lost through poor starts dwarf in comparison. So i don't agree with Sandmans's proposition. I look at it the other way round. If he had the reliabiilty, then poor starts would not have cost Hamilton the title.Zoue wrote:Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the titleSR1 wrote:Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.
The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Lewis does deserve a lot of credit. He was -43 after Round 4 and -33 after Round 17. While at least some points can be attributed to bad starts, it does a disservice to the two mountains he's had to climb.Zoue wrote:Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the title
I think you might be misunderstanding what has been said. The number of points lost is to a certain extent irrelevant, since at the end of the day Lewis only needed 5 more points to secure the title. Therefore if he lost more than 5pts due to bad starts his mechanical issues wouldn't have impacted his title chances and he would have won it anyway.SR1 wrote:Malaysia & China. Those 2 races alone--he has lost approx 50 points. Points lost through poor starts dwarf in comparison. So i don't agree with Sandmans's proposition. I look at it the other way round. If he had the reliabiilty, then poor starts would not have cost Hamilton the title.Zoue wrote:Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the titleSR1 wrote:Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.
The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
He does, and I'm in no way saying he drove poorly. I'm just trying to point out that even with the mechanical issues he would still have won it if he'd have managed to get the starts under control earlier. It's not just reliability that cost himF1Tyrant wrote:Lewis does deserve a lot of credit. He was -43 after Round 4 and -33 after Round 17. While at least some points can be attributed to bad starts, it does a disservice to the two mountains he's had to climb.Zoue wrote:Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the title
I understand perfectly. What Sandman said was that poor starts were equally responsible. When you look at the very one-sided reliability, and the mountain of points lost through reliability, i completely disagree. Reliability played the far larger part.Zoue wrote:I think you might be misunderstanding what has been said. The number of points lost is to a certain extent irrelevant, since at the end of the day Lewis only needed 5 more points to secure the title. Therefore if he lost more than 5pts due to bad starts his mechanical issues wouldn't have impacted his title chances and he would have won it anyway.SR1 wrote:Malaysia & China. Those 2 races alone--he has lost approx 50 points. Points lost through poor starts dwarf in comparison. So i don't agree with Sandmans's proposition. I look at it the other way round. If he had the reliabiilty, then poor starts would not have cost Hamilton the title.Zoue wrote:Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the titleSR1 wrote:Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.
The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Larger in terms of number of points only. But just one better start may have given Lewis the points he needed, so in terms of overall impact poor starts were equally responsible. We're talking the results of a single raceSR1 wrote:I understand perfectly. What Sandman said was that poor starts were equally responsible. When you look at the very one-sided reliability, and the mountain of points lost through reliability, i completely disagree. Reliability played the far larger part.Zoue wrote:I think you might be misunderstanding what has been said. The number of points lost is to a certain extent irrelevant, since at the end of the day Lewis only needed 5 more points to secure the title. Therefore if he lost more than 5pts due to bad starts his mechanical issues wouldn't have impacted his title chances and he would have won it anyway.SR1 wrote:Malaysia & China. Those 2 races alone--he has lost approx 50 points. Points lost through poor starts dwarf in comparison. So i don't agree with Sandmans's proposition. I look at it the other way round. If he had the reliabiilty, then poor starts would not have cost Hamilton the title.Zoue wrote:Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the titleSR1 wrote:Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.
Points is what matters. Better reliability, then that 1 extra poor start, wouldn't have made any difference.Zoue wrote: Larger in terms of number of points only. But just one better start may have given Lewis the points he needed, so in terms of overall impact poor starts were equally responsible. We're talking the results of a single race