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Why can't he be like that in his interviews with the f1 media

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Rosbergs wins this year, where he and Lewis where after the start -

2nd - 6th (bad start)
1st - 6th (bad start then hit by Bottas)
2nd - 19th (Engine change)
1st - 10th (Engine failure Q3)
1st - 10th (Hit wall in Q3)
1st - 19th (Engine change)
1st - 8th (bad start)
1st - 3rd
1st - 8th (bad start)

Aside from Singapore, Rosberg has only won races when he has had 5+ cars between him and Lewis at the start. Is this really an improved Rosberg or just one cashing in on circumstances. 2014 and 2015 combined (40 races) Hamilton was more than 5 cars behind Nico after the start on just 4 occasions. 4/40. This year it is 9/20.

3 races due to Engine reliability, 4 due to poor starts from pole where he ended up lower than 6th.

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The start is part of the race. However yes I wouldn't say rosberg has upped his game so to speak. However who knows who would have won those races even without the issues Lewis had

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Hamilton or Rosberg haven't upped there game. I don't think Rosberg or his fans really care though.
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Andy2402 wrote:The start is part of the race. However yes I wouldn't say rosberg has upped his game so to speak. However who knows who would have won those races even without the issues Lewis had
Safe to say the car ahead at turn 1. That predicts over 85% of the races for 2014-2015-2016 between both Mercedes. Using just 2015-2016 that figure is up around 90% when they both finish of course.

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Great job by Lewis, he is doing great on his weaker tracks this year. Missing out in Japan by 0.013 and today beat Nico in Brazil having been 3-0 down. He is crushing Nico on his normal/strong tracks.

That wins Lewis the qualifying battle at least 11-9 or 11-6 in the sessions Lewis took part in. Without Hungary and Nicos yellow flag run and Lewis' single run on old tyres in Monaco makes that 11-4.

The end of 2015 is now looking more and more of an anomaly, I wasn't willing to give Hamilton the slack of taking his foot off the gas at the end and Nico's superb form was a worry going into 2016. But I would now say Lewis wasn't completely putting the hours in during that period and Nico took a marginal advantage.

The big box to tick off is pole in AD for Lewis now (obviously if tomorrow goes well), that is the big worry. Nico has smashed him there the last 2 years. I expected Lewis to get pole today as even when Lewis was slow at the end of 2015 he was close to Nico at Brazil last year. We are seeing a 0.2 turn around in qualifying from the end of last year.

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lamo wrote:Great job by Lewis, he is doing great on his weaker tracks this year. Missing out in Japan by 0.013 and today beat Nico in Brazil having been 3-0 down. He is crushing Nico on his normal/strong tracks.

That wins Lewis the qualifying battle at least 11-9 or 11-6 in the sessions Lewis took part in. Without Hungary and Nicos yellow flag run and Lewis' single run on old tyres in Monaco makes that 11-4.

The end of 2015 is now looking more and more of an anomaly, I wasn't willing to give Hamilton the slack of taking his foot off the gas at the end and Nico's superb form was a worry going into 2016. But I would now say Lewis wasn't completely putting the hours in during that period and Nico took a marginal advantage.

The big box to tick off is pole in AD for Lewis now (obviously if tomorrow goes well), that is the big worry. Nico has smashed him there the last 2 years. I expected Lewis to get pole today as even when Lewis was slow at the end of 2015 he was close to Nico at Brazil last year. We are seeing a 0.2 turn around in qualifying from the end of last year.
Yeah it is more obvious now that Lewis had a lazy approach at the end of last year. It takes more than natural talent to make these cars go fast. Doing the homework is equally important and someone slacked off last year :)

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Looks like it's almost over lamo for Lewis... :( I see no way Rosberg would finish below 2nd in abu dhabi apart from some mechanical failures

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lamo wrote:Great job by Lewis, he is doing great on his weaker tracks this year. Missing out in Japan by 0.013 and today beat Nico in Brazil having been 3-0 down. He is crushing Nico on his normal/strong tracks.

That wins Lewis the qualifying battle at least 11-9 or 11-6 in the sessions Lewis took part in. Without Hungary and Nicos yellow flag run and Lewis' single run on old tyres in Monaco makes that 11-4.

The end of 2015 is now looking more and more of an anomaly, I wasn't willing to give Hamilton the slack of taking his foot off the gas at the end and Nico's superb form was a worry going into 2016. But I would now say Lewis wasn't completely putting the hours in during that period and Nico took a marginal advantage.

The big box to tick off is pole in AD for Lewis now (obviously if tomorrow goes well), that is the big worry. Nico has smashed him there the last 2 years. I expected Lewis to get pole today as even when Lewis was slow at the end of 2015 he was close to Nico at Brazil last year. We are seeing a 0.2 turn around in qualifying from the end of last year.
I said that from before the end of the season last year. It was obvious that Lewis was out to lunch once the title was sewn up. After dominating Rosberg all season, all of a sudden Nico won three in a row from pole!

This has been my criticism of Hamilton for years. He's not always at 10/10 of his ability.

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That's racing, Hamilton is on top form this year. If he wins in AD it will probably be his best year against Nico. It doesn't always work out. Personally I would rather Lewis lose the WDC than win it like Rosberg has this year.

3 WDCs and yet to be out performed by Nico over a season I would take over 4 WDCs with one in which Nico should have won it but lost it due to a massive disparity in reliability.

He overtook Prost in wins today, is on target for the pole record. Appears to have a larger gap to Nico than ever before. Many positives from this year.

Nico, everything falls for him. Would have been 3rd today but Lady Luck again.. Why red bull pitted for inters with max I will never know. Lewis was 8 seconds ahead - he couldn't gain a thing by gambling! Lewis would cover it as soon as he closed in. Very annoying.

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sandman1347 wrote:
lamo wrote:Great job by Lewis, he is doing great on his weaker tracks this year. Missing out in Japan by 0.013 and today beat Nico in Brazil having been 3-0 down. He is crushing Nico on his normal/strong tracks.

That wins Lewis the qualifying battle at least 11-9 or 11-6 in the sessions Lewis took part in. Without Hungary and Nicos yellow flag run and Lewis' single run on old tyres in Monaco makes that 11-4.

The end of 2015 is now looking more and more of an anomaly, I wasn't willing to give Hamilton the slack of taking his foot off the gas at the end and Nico's superb form was a worry going into 2016. But I would now say Lewis wasn't completely putting the hours in during that period and Nico took a marginal advantage.

The big box to tick off is pole in AD for Lewis now (obviously if tomorrow goes well), that is the big worry. Nico has smashed him there the last 2 years. I expected Lewis to get pole today as even when Lewis was slow at the end of 2015 he was close to Nico at Brazil last year. We are seeing a 0.2 turn around in qualifying from the end of last year.
I said that from before the end of the season last year. It was obvious that Lewis was out to lunch once the title was sewn up. After dominating Rosberg all season, all of a sudden Nico won three in a row from pole!

This has been my criticism of Hamilton for years. He's not always at 10/10 of his ability.
Nico had good speed over the last 7 races though. Not just those last 3 .
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One of the best drivers ever. I genuinely rate him in the same tier and Senna and Schumacher (well maybe just a tad below).

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KingVoid wrote:One of the best drivers ever. I genuinely rate him in the same tier and Senna and Schumacher (well maybe just a tad below).
If he wins the wdc next year with closer competition, or if his future cars are 3rd best and he still beats the pole record and gets more wins I agree. Or even a few alonso type seasons when he was at ferrari and almost won wdc

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Am I right in saying that if Rosberg DNFs and Hamilton finishes 4th then Rosberg takes the title on countback (4 second places to 3?)

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sandman1347 wrote:
lamo wrote:Great job by Lewis, he is doing great on his weaker tracks this year. Missing out in Japan by 0.013 and today beat Nico in Brazil having been 3-0 down. He is crushing Nico on his normal/strong tracks.

That wins Lewis the qualifying battle at least 11-9 or 11-6 in the sessions Lewis took part in. Without Hungary and Nicos yellow flag run and Lewis' single run on old tyres in Monaco makes that 11-4.

The end of 2015 is now looking more and more of an anomaly, I wasn't willing to give Hamilton the slack of taking his foot off the gas at the end and Nico's superb form was a worry going into 2016. But I would now say Lewis wasn't completely putting the hours in during that period and Nico took a marginal advantage.

The big box to tick off is pole in AD for Lewis now (obviously if tomorrow goes well), that is the big worry. Nico has smashed him there the last 2 years. I expected Lewis to get pole today as even when Lewis was slow at the end of 2015 he was close to Nico at Brazil last year. We are seeing a 0.2 turn around in qualifying from the end of last year.
I said that from before the end of the season last year. It was obvious that Lewis was out to lunch once the title was sewn up. After dominating Rosberg all season, all of a sudden Nico won three in a row from pole!

This has been my criticism of Hamilton for years. He's not always at 10/10 of his ability.
Rosberg was gifted Mexico by the team insisting Lewis pitted twice.

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GingerFurball wrote:Rosberg was gifted Mexico by the team insisting Lewis pitted twice.
LOL, Rosberg was not gifted anything. If Nico knew that Lewis would not pit again, he wouldn't have pitted a second time either.

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GingerFurball wrote:Am I right in saying that if Rosberg DNFs and Hamilton finishes 4th then Rosberg takes the title on countback (4 second places to 3?)
Yes Nico will win it. I thought Lewis overtook Nico in wins today, but it is 9-9.

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did people notice that the grid girl who was given lewis 's water proof coat by lewis wasn't allowed to keep it and didn't keep it long - a nice gesture I thought ,but not seen as so by merc , lol

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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merce ... ry-852027/

Interesting quote by paddy lowe. "The best seasons are the ones where it goes down to the wire at the final race and we have created that" "We have created that" Odd choice of words.

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Does anybody else think some fans know better than the drivers (in terms of form and performances)?

I have heard Lewis state a few times "I am always strong in AD, its a good race for me", sure he has won there 3 times (retired from the lead another time) but the reality is that it is a weak track for him against Nico. He won in 2014 because he beat him off the line. He lost the other 2 seasons.

I would say this is his weakest track. He has been 0.350-0.400 behind him in the last 3 years in qualifying, 3-0 down (I don't think there is another track he has been whitewashed on) Brazil was also 3-0 but now 3-1, but the gap there was always less than 0.1

We all know it is a race to turn 1 so its all about qualifying and then the start. This is one of the few races on the calendar that I would back Nico to get pole and then go on to win, over Lewis.
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lamo wrote:Does anybody else think some fans know better than the drivers?

I have heard Lewis state a few times "I am always strong in AD, its a good race for me", sure he has won there 3 times (retired from the lead another time) but the reality is that it is a weak track for him against Nico. He won in 2014 because he beat him off the line. He lost the other 2 seasons.

I would say this is his weakest track. He has been 0.350-0.400 behind him in the last 3 years in qualifying, 3-0 down (I don't think there is another track he has been whitewashed on) Brazil was also 3-0 but now 3-1, but the gap there was always less than 0.1

We all know it is a race to turn 1 so its all about qualifying and then the start. This is one of the few races on the calendar that I would back Nico to get pole and then go on to win, over Lewis.
I shouldn't discount mind games. I often take what drivers say before a race with a pinch of salt as I don't think they are always being entirely truthful. That's not to say I think there's any malice behind it, but it wouldn't be the first time a driver has engaged in psychological warfare

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Zoue wrote:
lamo wrote:Does anybody else think some fans know better than the drivers?

I have heard Lewis state a few times "I am always strong in AD, its a good race for me", sure he has won there 3 times (retired from the lead another time) but the reality is that it is a weak track for him against Nico. He won in 2014 because he beat him off the line. He lost the other 2 seasons.

I would say this is his weakest track. He has been 0.350-0.400 behind him in the last 3 years in qualifying, 3-0 down (I don't think there is another track he has been whitewashed on) Brazil was also 3-0 but now 3-1, but the gap there was always less than 0.1

We all know it is a race to turn 1 so its all about qualifying and then the start. This is one of the few races on the calendar that I would back Nico to get pole and then go on to win, over Lewis.
I shouldn't discount mind games. I often take what drivers say before a race with a pinch of salt as I don't think they are always being entirely truthful. That's not to say I think there's any malice behind it, but it wouldn't be the first time a driver has engaged in psychological warfare
There could be an element of that of course. But I think he genuinely thinks he is strong and I guess on race results he is (2nd,1st,7th, retired from lead,1st, 2nd, retired from lead) I said he won it three times, it is twice and retired from strong leads twice.

I think if you asked him, which is the only track Nico has out qualified you on each year, he probably wouldn't be able to answer correctly. F1 drivers are good and remembering the positives and forgetting the negatives - which is a good trait for positive energy. Hamilton remembers the track for winning his 2nd title and a couple of wins, he may not realise (until he studies before the race) how weak he has been against Nico at this track.

The only thing in his favour is that AD 2014 (Nico was stronger at qualifying overall and Lewis has overturned that at most of them for 2015 and 2016. 2015 AD fell in that last 3 races where Nico was on top form and also a period Nico took 7 straight poles at the end of 2015. So for both of the last 2 GP's in AD Hamilton had poor 1 lap pace form and Nico on great 1 lap form.

He has reversed that pattern Japan, Mexico and Brazil - he is on average about 0.250 a lap better off than his poor 2015 form at those track. But that won't be enough to reverse the huge deficit in AD. I guess AD is a very long lap so 0.350 is probably more like 0.250 for an average length track. I expect it to be definitely less than the previous years but I still think Lewis will be about 0.150 behind

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Zoue wrote:
lamo wrote:Does anybody else think some fans know better than the drivers?

I have heard Lewis state a few times "I am always strong in AD, its a good race for me", sure he has won there 3 times (retired from the lead another time) but the reality is that it is a weak track for him against Nico. He won in 2014 because he beat him off the line. He lost the other 2 seasons.

I would say this is his weakest track. He has been 0.350-0.400 behind him in the last 3 years in qualifying, 3-0 down (I don't think there is another track he has been whitewashed on) Brazil was also 3-0 but now 3-1, but the gap there was always less than 0.1

We all know it is a race to turn 1 so its all about qualifying and then the start. This is one of the few races on the calendar that I would back Nico to get pole and then go on to win, over Lewis.
I shouldn't discount mind games. I often take what drivers say before a race with a pinch of salt as I don't think they are always being entirely truthful. That's not to say I think there's any malice behind it, but it wouldn't be the first time a driver has engaged in psychological warfare
Clarified by Hamilton -

"This has generally been a relatively strong circuit for me but I have not delivered in the last years so my sole goal is to do so, make sure that I'm at my best this weekend as I have been the last couple of races."

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Hamilton has his qualifying pace back at least this year, lets not forget Nico took 7 straight poles during 2015...

He has however turned that around and hammered him in qualifying this season, although on paper its amazingly 12-9 and seems close. Typical of Rosbergs season. That's includes 8 or 9th times Nico has been over 0.250 behind which if we have a close grid next year could see him with cars in between.

12-6 to Lewis when he got to take part and even then you have Hungary where Nico ran the yellows, Monaco where Lewis got a single botched run and Baku when Lewis put it in the wall (his own fault) having just gone purple in S1, 3 tenths up on Nico's eventual pole lap. The races Lewis couldn't take part in China, Spa and Russia he was 3-0, 3-0 and 1-1 in qualifying against Nico, strong Hamilton tracks, that likely would have been 3 more poles on the seasons form.

Nico has been clearly and outright quicker than him 3 times in 18 qualifying sessions and two of those were by 0.1 and 0.017 - I think Lewis can be happy with that. A great year in qualifying speed wise with the exception of Singapore. In 2014 that was more like 9 times and about 7 or 8 times last year.

Qualifying usually decided the race (2014-2015 and the 2nd half of 2016) and we appear to be back to that - the Mercedes on pole has lead into turn 1 for the last 8 races now. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if Lewis blew another start just to sum the season up.

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That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.

The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.

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sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.

The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.

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At least for posterity's sake, people will look back at this season and think How did Hamilton lose? after more than a superficial overview.

It's also a bit of karma given the circumstances of his 2008 win. Massa won more races with worse reliability and only lost by a point. I think that Hamilton will rue this one going forward but it doesn't wonders for his legacy. Prost didn't suffer for losing in 1984 and neither did Senna in 1989.

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SR1 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.

The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.
Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the title

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SR1 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.

The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.
I've been a fan of him since he joined in 2007 and from a point of view I kinda agree with what sandman said ,despite all gremlins and reability issues he encountered all season long ,poor starts cost him too.It's been a common issue for both and Nico did a better job. As a fan I'm proud of him for everything he's done this season to keep the hopes alive till the last race against all odds.

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Zoue wrote:
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sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.

The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.
Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the title
Malaysia & China. Those 2 races alone--he has lost approx 50 points. Points lost through poor starts dwarf in comparison. So i don't agree with Sandmans's proposition. I look at it the other way round. If he had the reliabiilty, then poor starts would not have cost Hamilton the title.

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Zoue wrote:Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the title
Lewis does deserve a lot of credit. He was -43 after Round 4 and -33 after Round 17. While at least some points can be attributed to bad starts, it does a disservice to the two mountains he's had to climb.

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SR1 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
SR1 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.

The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.
Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the title
Malaysia & China. Those 2 races alone--he has lost approx 50 points. Points lost through poor starts dwarf in comparison. So i don't agree with Sandmans's proposition. I look at it the other way round. If he had the reliabiilty, then poor starts would not have cost Hamilton the title.
I think you might be misunderstanding what has been said. The number of points lost is to a certain extent irrelevant, since at the end of the day Lewis only needed 5 more points to secure the title. Therefore if he lost more than 5pts due to bad starts his mechanical issues wouldn't have impacted his title chances and he would have won it anyway.

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F1Tyrant wrote:
Zoue wrote:Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the title
Lewis does deserve a lot of credit. He was -43 after Round 4 and -33 after Round 17. While at least some points can be attributed to bad starts, it does a disservice to the two mountains he's had to climb.
He does, and I'm in no way saying he drove poorly. I'm just trying to point out that even with the mechanical issues he would still have won it if he'd have managed to get the starts under control earlier. It's not just reliability that cost him

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Zoue wrote:
SR1 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
SR1 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:That will be a tough pill to swallow. On the bright side; Lewis set three records that no one will ever come near. Most wins, poles and podiums in a season by a driver who did not win the championship.

The reliability issues were severely one-sided this season and with even one mechanical failure for Rosberg, things would have turned out differently. Ultimately though, Lewis has to look at the persistent issue with bad starts as being equally responsible for this loss. I think Nico knew that this type of season might happen at some point. One where luck really plays into his hands. Congrats to him though.
Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.
Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the title
Malaysia & China. Those 2 races alone--he has lost approx 50 points. Points lost through poor starts dwarf in comparison. So i don't agree with Sandmans's proposition. I look at it the other way round. If he had the reliabiilty, then poor starts would not have cost Hamilton the title.
I think you might be misunderstanding what has been said. The number of points lost is to a certain extent irrelevant, since at the end of the day Lewis only needed 5 more points to secure the title. Therefore if he lost more than 5pts due to bad starts his mechanical issues wouldn't have impacted his title chances and he would have won it anyway.
I understand perfectly. What Sandman said was that poor starts were equally responsible. When you look at the very one-sided reliability, and the mountain of points lost through reliability, i completely disagree. Reliability played the far larger part.

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SR1 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
SR1 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
SR1 wrote:Not sure i agree. The points loss through poor starts, when offset against the points Rosberg lost through poor starts, approached nowhere near the points Hamilton has lost through reliability. Malaysia 28 points swing. China, approx 19. Then there's Spa & Russia. Reliability has cost Hamilton big time.
Lewis ended the season 5 points behind. If you think Lewis lost at least 5 points due to his bad starts then sandman's point rings true and reliability wouldn't have lost him the title
Malaysia & China. Those 2 races alone--he has lost approx 50 points. Points lost through poor starts dwarf in comparison. So i don't agree with Sandmans's proposition. I look at it the other way round. If he had the reliabiilty, then poor starts would not have cost Hamilton the title.
I think you might be misunderstanding what has been said. The number of points lost is to a certain extent irrelevant, since at the end of the day Lewis only needed 5 more points to secure the title. Therefore if he lost more than 5pts due to bad starts his mechanical issues wouldn't have impacted his title chances and he would have won it anyway.
I understand perfectly. What Sandman said was that poor starts were equally responsible. When you look at the very one-sided reliability, and the mountain of points lost through reliability, i completely disagree. Reliability played the far larger part.
Larger in terms of number of points only. But just one better start may have given Lewis the points he needed, so in terms of overall impact poor starts were equally responsible. We're talking the results of a single race

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Lewis is an excellent driver. One of the all time greats. He has had a great season too. However he has again diminished his character in my view, only from the comments he made in the post-race press conference. Before the race, it is OK to mention that his championship has been cruelled by reliability issues, but it wasn't at all appropriate in the post-race press conference in front of the newly crowned champion.

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Shame he couldn't win his forth title today but can't blame him for his tactics today. Had to be done to have any sort of chance to be champion again. Great end to the season for him and let's hope he takes this form into next season and win that forth title

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Why not speak the truth?

Also total of stating lh should go drive for Christian horner shows exactly who he favoured.

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Zoue wrote: Larger in terms of number of points only. But just one better start may have given Lewis the points he needed, so in terms of overall impact poor starts were equally responsible. We're talking the results of a single race
Points is what matters. Better reliability, then that 1 extra poor start, wouldn't have made any difference.

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