

http://beta.autosport.com/top-50-drivers-of-2015/page/1
mds wrote:Stopped reading at Ocon, placed #49.
Good to see Lewis placed at #1 but to be honest I don't take much stock in such thingsaice wrote:Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton on bagging number 1 spot on Autosport’s list of top 50 drivers of 2015!![]()
http://beta.autosport.com/top-50-drivers-of-2015/page/1
To be honest, neither do i. I think Lewis has topped a lot of polls this year and i agree, most are not worth shouting about. But Autosport are generally well regarded within the motor sport industry so in my books, it’s worth a mention. Arguably, the most coveted was the team bosses' vote. Good to see Lewis topping that one too. No harm in singing Lewis Hamilton’s praises on the Lewis Hamilton thread!pokerman wrote:Good to see Lewis placed at #1 but to be honest I don't take much stock in such thingsaice wrote:Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton on bagging number 1 spot on Autosport’s list of top 50 drivers of 2015!![]()
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No it's just the comparing with drivers from different series, I just think it's an impossible thing to do, in particular the comparison with rallying which is like comparing chalk with cheese.aice wrote:To be honest, neither do i. I think Lewis has topped a lot of polls this year and i agree, most are not worth shouting about. But Autosport are generally well regarded within the motor sport industry so in my books, it’s worth a mention. Arguably, the most coveted was the team bosses' vote. Good to see Lewis topping that one too. No harm in singing Lewis Hamilton’s praises on the Lewis Hamilton thread!pokerman wrote:Good to see Lewis placed at #1 but to be honest I don't take much stock in such thingsaice wrote:Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton on bagging number 1 spot on Autosport’s list of top 50 drivers of 2015!![]()
http://beta.autosport.com/top-50-drivers-of-2015/page/1
Fair points regarding the difficulties in comparing different disciplines. But that bit of your comment that i have chosen to quote, is the main thing for me!pokerman wrote: I see F1 as being the pinnacle so Lewis being voted #1 in that respect is fine,
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say the car is less important in rallying; WRC tends to go from one manufacturer dominating to the next, just like F1. By that metric I think Vandoorne should be #1, since he legitimately dominated a spec series which I don't think anyone else can claim this year.pokerman wrote:I see F1 as being the pinnacle so Lewis being voted #1 in that respect is fine, if however you think in terms of domination over other drivers then Ogier is more impressive in a discipline were the car is less of a factor.
I think perhaps you don't really watch rallying if you think it's just another version of F1, I guess Citroen just happened to have the best car when Loeb won his 9 titles, then the moment he retired Citroen no longer had the best car because they could no longer win, that fell to VW with Ogier now winning all the titles, strange though that Loeb in a few guest appearances for Citroen was able to win a couple of rallys showing the likes of Meeke and Ostberg are really not quite good enough.Exediron wrote:I think it's a bit of a stretch to say the car is less important in rallying; WRC tends to go from one manufacturer dominating to the next, just like F1. By that metric I think Vandoorne should be #1, since he legitimately dominated a spec series which I don't think anyone else can claim this year.pokerman wrote:I see F1 as being the pinnacle so Lewis being voted #1 in that respect is fine, if however you think in terms of domination over other drivers then Ogier is more impressive in a discipline were the car is less of a factor.
You're right, I don't really watch rallying much at all - I personally find it boring. I have a few friends online who do, and they're always talking about this manufacturer or that manufacturer instead of the drivers so I assumed it was similar. If you say that's not the case, I admit I don't have the facts to dispute it.pokerman wrote:I think perhaps you don't really watch rallying if you think it's just another version of F1, I guess Citroen just happened to have the best car when Loeb won his 9 titles, then the moment he retired Citroen no longer had the best car because they could no longer win, that fell to VW with Ogier now winning all the titles, strange though that Loeb in a few guest appearances for Citroen was able to win a couple of rallys showing the likes of Meeke and Ostberg are really not quite good enough.
We shouldn't forget the year that Loeb and Ogier were teammates at Citroen Ogier was able to win rallys against him, and lets not also forget that Latvala his VW teammate is rated as one of the fastest rally drivers but just prone to crashing a bit too much.
Of course I don't. I was responding to this sentence:pokerman wrote:Regarding Vandoorne do you consider the GP2 field of drivers to as good as the the F1 field of drivers?
And pointing out that in a spec series such as GP2 the car is certainly less of a factor than F1 (and I strongly suspect rallying), and therefore Vandoorne's domination is more impressive. If Hamilton was able to dominate the F1 field in equal machinery it would unquestionably be the more impressive performance, but rather or not he could he'll never have the chance to try. He's dominated Nico, and that's not as easy to do as some people make it sound, but it's not the same thing as dominating the F1 field.if however you think in terms of domination over other drivers then Ogier is more impressive in a discipline were the car is less of a factor.
I think you are missing the point that Ogier is competing against the best rally drivers in the world whereas Vandoorne is competing in a series which is not the pinnacle of the sport.Exediron wrote:You're right, I don't really watch rallying much at all - I personally find it boring. I have a few friends online who do, and they're always talking about this manufacturer or that manufacturer instead of the drivers so I assumed it was similar. If you say that's not the case, I admit I don't have the facts to dispute it.pokerman wrote:I think perhaps you don't really watch rallying if you think it's just another version of F1, I guess Citroen just happened to have the best car when Loeb won his 9 titles, then the moment he retired Citroen no longer had the best car because they could no longer win, that fell to VW with Ogier now winning all the titles, strange though that Loeb in a few guest appearances for Citroen was able to win a couple of rallys showing the likes of Meeke and Ostberg are really not quite good enough.
We shouldn't forget the year that Loeb and Ogier were teammates at Citroen Ogier was able to win rallys against him, and lets not also forget that Latvala his VW teammate is rated as one of the fastest rally drivers but just prone to crashing a bit too much.
Of course I don't. I was responding to this sentence:pokerman wrote:Regarding Vandoorne do you consider the GP2 field of drivers to as good as the the F1 field of drivers?
And pointing out that in a spec series such as GP2 the car is certainly less of a factor than F1 (and I strongly suspect rallying), and therefore Vandoorne's domination is more impressive. If Hamilton was able to dominate the F1 field in equal machinery it would unquestionably be the more impressive performance, but rather or not he could he'll never have the chance to try. He's dominated Nico, and that's not as easy to do as some people make it sound, but it's not the same thing as dominating the F1 field.if however you think in terms of domination over other drivers then Ogier is more impressive in a discipline were the car is less of a factor.
There's one comment at the bottom of that article that made me snort out loud in the officeaice wrote:Lewis reveals that he is dyslexic.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1 ... ols-122115
Did anyone else think immediately of this?mcdo wrote:There's one comment at the bottom of that article that made me snort out loud in the officeaice wrote:Lewis reveals that he is dyslexic.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1 ... ols-122115
I would imagine going over race reports and taking in all the data from this graph and that analysis is quite a job for someone who is dyslexic
Indeed. In a strange way, it personally makes me more appreciative of all that Hamilton has achieved.mcdo wrote:I would imagine going over race reports and taking in all the data from this graph and that analysis is quite a job for someone who is dyslexicaice wrote:Lewis reveals that he is dyslexic.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1 ... ols-122115
Comments aren't showing for me. What was the comment? Did it have something to do with why he would've chosen the number 44?MistaVega23 wrote:Did anyone else think immediately of this?mcdo wrote:There's one comment at the bottom of that article that made me snort out loud in the officeaice wrote:Lewis reveals that he is dyslexic.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1 ... ols-122115
I would imagine going over race reports and taking in all the data from this graph and that analysis is quite a job for someone who is dyslexic
I thought dyslexia was just word blindness and not related as such with dealing with data and numbers?mcdo wrote:There's one comment at the bottom of that article that made me snort out loud in the officeaice wrote:Lewis reveals that he is dyslexic.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1 ... ols-122115
I would imagine going over race reports and taking in all the data from this graph and that analysis is quite a job for someone who is dyslexic
There are different levels that it can effect someone and can manifest different ways in different people.pokerman wrote:I thought dyslexia was just word blindness and not related as such with dealing with data and numbers?mcdo wrote:There's one comment at the bottom of that article that made me snort out loud in the officeaice wrote:Lewis reveals that he is dyslexic.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1 ... ols-122115
I would imagine going over race reports and taking in all the data from this graph and that analysis is quite a job for someone who is dyslexic
This is what I recall from a guy I went to school with. I would have thought numbers were no different to letters in this regardRaggedMan wrote:There are different levels that it can effect someone and can manifest different ways in different people.pokerman wrote:I thought dyslexia was just word blindness and not related as such with dealing with data and numbers?mcdo wrote:There's one comment at the bottom of that article that made me snort out loud in the officeaice wrote:Lewis reveals that he is dyslexic.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1 ... ols-122115
I would imagine going over race reports and taking in all the data from this graph and that analysis is quite a job for someone who is dyslexic
One of the most common ways it can show itself is as an inability to read characters in the proper order which would make studying race reports, and data sheets and graphs quite hard.
Yea, that's why I used 'characters' because it can be numbers or letters. I should've used difficulty instead of inability but from what I understand for some it's closer to the latter.mcdo wrote:This is what I recall from a guy I went to school with. I would have thought numbers were no different to letters in this regardRaggedMan wrote:There are different levels that it can effect someone and can manifest different ways in different people.pokerman wrote:I thought dyslexia was just word blindness and not related as such with dealing with data and numbers?mcdo wrote:There's one comment at the bottom of that article that made me snort out loud in the officeaice wrote:Lewis reveals that he is dyslexic.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/f1 ... ols-122115
I would imagine going over race reports and taking in all the data from this graph and that analysis is quite a job for someone who is dyslexic
One of the most common ways it can show itself is as an inability to read characters in the proper order which would make studying race reports, and data sheets and graphs quite hard.
Oh yeah I got ya, I was just kinda responding to you and pokermanRaggedMan wrote:Yea, that's why I used 'characters' because it can be numbers or letters. I should've used difficulty instead of inability but from what I understand for some it's closer to the latter.mcdo wrote:This is what I recall from a guy I went to school with. I would have thought numbers were no different to letters in this regardRaggedMan wrote:There are different levels that it can effect someone and can manifest different ways in different people.pokerman wrote:I thought dyslexia was just word blindness and not related as such with dealing with data and numbers?mcdo wrote:There's one comment at the bottom of that article that made me snort out loud in the office
I would imagine going over race reports and taking in all the data from this graph and that analysis is quite a job for someone who is dyslexic
One of the most common ways it can show itself is as an inability to read characters in the proper order which would make studying race reports, and data sheets and graphs quite hard.
Ok I didn't realise it included numbers as wellRaggedMan wrote:Yea, that's why I used 'characters' because it can be numbers or letters. I should've used difficulty instead of inability but from what I understand for some it's closer to the latter.mcdo wrote:This is what I recall from a guy I went to school with. I would have thought numbers were no different to letters in this regardRaggedMan wrote:There are different levels that it can effect someone and can manifest different ways in different people.pokerman wrote:I thought dyslexia was just word blindness and not related as such with dealing with data and numbers?mcdo wrote: There's one comment at the bottom of that article that made me snort out loud in the office
I would imagine going over race reports and taking in all the data from this graph and that analysis is quite a job for someone who is dyslexic
One of the most common ways it can show itself is as an inability to read characters in the proper order which would make studying race reports, and data sheets and graphs quite hard.
There's dyslexia which is difficulty with letters and dyscalculia which is a difficulty dealing with numbers and mathematics. There are shades of both, but some of the "number blind" people can read just fine.mcdo wrote:This is what I recall from a guy I went to school with. I would have thought numbers were no different to letters in this regard
Oh right I did think that dyslexia related to just words.Chunky wrote:There's dyslexia which is difficulty with letters and dyscalculia which is a difficulty dealing with numbers and mathematics. There are shades of both, but some of the "number blind" people can read just fine.mcdo wrote:This is what I recall from a guy I went to school with. I would have thought numbers were no different to letters in this regard
Good on anyone in either category who make something out of themselves, large or small, despite the handicap. Some of the world's most famous success stories are dyslexic, like Branson for example.
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It's interesting how one driver can have a child - the biggest commitment it's possible to make in life, which takes the most time and energy away from everything else - and seemingly receives little to no sporting criticism for doing so. Yet another driver can have an active social life, with complete control over the timings and intensity of this social life, and his energy levels come into question.Speaking at the launch of Channel 4’s Formula 1 coverage, 13-time Grand Prix winner Coulthard said such distractions could allow Hamilton’s Mercedes team-mate, Nico Rosberg, to start where he left off last season – when the German won the final three races – and gain the upper hand in 2016.
‘Nico has been able to beat him, especially at the end of last season. Did Lewis mentally lift off? Is he only about championships or will he fight for every single victory? There were fewer questions about Senna, Prost, or Mansell. You knew they were going to fight for every single opportunity.
I think if James Hunt is admired for it then Lewis should be left alone. But I guess if Lewis were to lose out to Nico this year, that will be the explanationfieldstvl wrote:It's interesting how one driver can have a child - the biggest commitment it's possible to make in life, which takes the most time and energy away from everything else - and seemingly receives little to no sporting criticism for doing so. Yet another driver can have an active social life, with complete control over the timings and intensity of this social life, and his energy levels come into question.Speaking at the launch of Channel 4’s Formula 1 coverage, 13-time Grand Prix winner Coulthard said such distractions could allow Hamilton’s Mercedes team-mate, Nico Rosberg, to start where he left off last season – when the German won the final three races – and gain the upper hand in 2016.
‘Nico has been able to beat him, especially at the end of last season. Did Lewis mentally lift off? Is he only about championships or will he fight for every single victory? There were fewer questions about Senna, Prost, or Mansell. You knew they were going to fight for every single opportunity.
The DM do point out later in the article that DC suspects Hamilton does have the requisite energy levels, but this does not detract from what is clearly the main thrust of the article. I suspect the main difference between Hamilton's social life and the social life of others drivers is nothing to do with how active or intense or time-consuming or energy-sapping it is, it is more that his friends are more 'high profile' and he plasters the whole thing across social media, so it's easier to criticise.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... thard.html
While I think too much is made of Hamilton's lifestyle I think you're putting too much into the comparison.fieldstvl wrote:It's interesting how one driver can have a child - the biggest commitment it's possible to make in life, which takes the most time and energy away from everything else - and seemingly receives little to no sporting criticism for doing so. Yet another driver can have an active social life, with complete control over the timings and intensity of this social life, and his energy levels come into question.Speaking at the launch of Channel 4’s Formula 1 coverage, 13-time Grand Prix winner Coulthard said such distractions could allow Hamilton’s Mercedes team-mate, Nico Rosberg, to start where he left off last season – when the German won the final three races – and gain the upper hand in 2016.
‘Nico has been able to beat him, especially at the end of last season. Did Lewis mentally lift off? Is he only about championships or will he fight for every single victory? There were fewer questions about Senna, Prost, or Mansell. You knew they were going to fight for every single opportunity.
The DM do point out later in the article that DC suspects Hamilton does have the requisite energy levels, but this does not detract from what is clearly the main thrust of the article. I suspect the main difference between Hamilton's social life and the social life of others drivers is nothing to do with how active or intense or time-consuming or energy-sapping it is, it is more that his friends are more 'high profile' and he plasters the whole thing across social media, so it's easier to criticise.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... thard.html
Except both Lewis and Nico had poor starts in Oz, so that doesn't quite wash.Aspar wrote:I was wondering what was going on with LH and the poor starts he is having. So far, he has lost 17 points to Rosberg in races in which he should have had a walk in the park, starting from first and finishing without problems.
I thought he was just having a bad start of the season, but then read that it was actually a problem in the clutch and it might not be fixed for China.
Here is what Toto siad:
Wolff, the head of Mercedes motorsport, said: "We tend to believe it is more a hardware issue than a control electronics problem. You can't solve that from one race to the other.
"We are working to sort it out. The way we assess clutches and the way we round them, the way we calibrate them. Obviously how the driver uses it needs to be optimised.
"But mainly the collaboration with Daimler is about optimising the hardware. That takes a little bit of time. When we will have results I am not sure yet."
So far LH hasn't been harsh to the team for not providing him with what he obviously needs. Good that Merc aknowledge the problem, but i am starting to ask, why didn't they sort it out before the season start? Don't wanna put a tinfoil hat on, but is this the only way Merc can make a German pilot a champ, in probably the last year of their dominance?
I wasn't aware of this statement from Toto. Actually, on reflection, post-race, Lewis seemed to allude to this. When asked about his poor starts he said he wasn't overly worried and that "they should have it fixed by China"? If the problem is something beyond Lewis's control, Mercedes need to fix it quickly. These poor starts are compromising Lewis's chances. I know there's a long way to go in the the season but it's something they need to assess and rectify - pronto!Aspar wrote:I was wondering what was going on with LH and the poor starts he is having. So far, he has lost 17 points to Rosberg in races in which he should have had a walk in the park, starting from first and finishing without problems.
I thought he was just having a bad start of the season, but then read that it was actually a problem in the clutch and it might not be fixed for China.
Here is what Toto siad:
Wolff, the head of Mercedes motorsport, said: "We tend to believe it is more a hardware issue than a control electronics problem. You can't solve that from one race to the other.
"We are working to sort it out. The way we assess clutches and the way we round them, the way we calibrate them. Obviously how the driver uses it needs to be optimised.
"But mainly the collaboration with Daimler is about optimising the hardware. That takes a little bit of time. When we will have results I am not sure yet."
So far LH hasn't been harsh to the team for not providing him with what he obviously needs. Good that Merc aknowledge the problem, but i am starting to ask, why didn't they sort it out before the season start? Don't wanna put a tinfoil hat on, but is this the only way Merc can make a German pilot a champ, in probably the last year of their dominance?
Overall I agree but if he has another bad start the next time out that would simply be unacceptable for all involved. This problem cannot be allowed to linger.Zoue wrote:Except both Lewis and Nico had poor starts in Oz, so that doesn't quite wash.Aspar wrote:I was wondering what was going on with LH and the poor starts he is having. So far, he has lost 17 points to Rosberg in races in which he should have had a walk in the park, starting from first and finishing without problems.
I thought he was just having a bad start of the season, but then read that it was actually a problem in the clutch and it might not be fixed for China.
Here is what Toto siad:
Wolff, the head of Mercedes motorsport, said: "We tend to believe it is more a hardware issue than a control electronics problem. You can't solve that from one race to the other.
"We are working to sort it out. The way we assess clutches and the way we round them, the way we calibrate them. Obviously how the driver uses it needs to be optimised.
"But mainly the collaboration with Daimler is about optimising the hardware. That takes a little bit of time. When we will have results I am not sure yet."
So far LH hasn't been harsh to the team for not providing him with what he obviously needs. Good that Merc aknowledge the problem, but i am starting to ask, why didn't they sort it out before the season start? Don't wanna put a tinfoil hat on, but is this the only way Merc can make a German pilot a champ, in probably the last year of their dominance?
It's early days. Lewis didn't get it right on Sunday, but there again Kimi fluffed his, too, and his was near flawless in Oz. I think it's too early to start worrying excessively.
I wonder if it got damaged when Bottas hit him?ob1kenobi.23 wrote:Lewis to take a 5 place grid penalty due to a gear box change at the Chinese GP.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-motor- ... KKCN0XB01R
No it got damaged when Bernie sneaked into the Merc garage.pokerman wrote:I wonder if it got damaged when Bottas hit him?ob1kenobi.23 wrote:Lewis to take a 5 place grid penalty due to a gear box change at the Chinese GP.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-motor- ... KKCN0XB01R
Is the clutch not replaceable without penalty?stevey wrote:That or they realised his clutch is causing his bad starts and have used the crash as an excuse to swap it out.
Sorry to spoil you Christmas....pokerman wrote:I wonder if it got damaged when Bottas hit him?ob1kenobi.23 wrote:Lewis to take a 5 place grid penalty due to a gear box change at the Chinese GP.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-motor- ... KKCN0XB01R