The SF71H is more than capable of taking pole position in the wet.Rockie wrote:So one car can take pole both in the dry and wet and the other can only in the dry but the latter is the faster car got it.BMWSauber84 wrote:Fastest laps are almost meaningless in this day and age, Bottas got the most recent one when in a race he was lapped in.ohwell wrote:Depending on how you look at it..one could say Mercedes was faster over the course of the season.pokerman wrote:You seem to be spreading the Ferrari inferior car opinion among different threads which includes the Mercedes sandbagging opinion.Bentrovato wrote:Vettel is the prototypical German. Give him pole position and he'll carefully guide these tyre conservation machines (F1 race cars) across the line first more times than not. Vettel's strength isn't challenging a better car in inferior equipment and that's probably why we saw more mistakes from him this year.
Two things I agree with that have already been said:
1. Vettel made far too many poor judgements this season but it didn't matter because ...
2. Ferrari was no match for the Mercedes anyway
Ferrari only managed 6 pole positions this year while merc won 9.
Fastest laps Ferrari 3 merc 9. What stat do you have other than anecdotal evidence that says Ferrari was “generally faster” than merc this year ?
Pole positions are perhaps a better metric, but again that doesn't always tell the entire story either, in Hungary and Belgium Merc got poles in wet qualifying sessions that surely would have been Vettel's in the dry. In that scenario we'd be talking an 8-7 pole lead for Ferrari.
Sometimes a driver can just pull out a stonking lap. Singapore for example, where Vettel himself said that Ferrari should have been on pole.
Obviously we can never know for sure which car was the fastest in all of these race weekends, but I think it is very clear that at worst the Ferrari was quick enough to give them a good opportunity at the title. Talk of either car veing castly superior to the other has to be total nonsense.
In Hungary, Räikkönen was quickest on his first set of wets in Q3. But unfortunately, when on a fresher set towards the end of Q3, Ferrari sent him out behind traffic, in the spray of other cars, which impeded his lap.
"Overall this weekend the car has been really good in any conditions. In qualifying it was a bit tricky, but I enjoyed driving it a lot. The speed was there and the car was working well in wet conditions. Today we were more competitive in the rain than we had been in other places; it was nice, I was pleased because this hadn’t been our strongest point lately. In Q3 with used tyres we were fastest of all, but with the new set we were a bit unlucky with the traffic; we got stuck a bit behind another car and with all the spray we could not have a clear lap. There was nothing we could do, as we were limited on time. It’s a pity because there was a lot of grip on the new tyres: I’m sure we had the speed and everything else to get the pole, but we have to be positively happy that now we can actually challenge for the front in wet conditions.” (Räikkönen)
However, as has been suggested, perhaps this isn't the appropriate thread for this particular debate.