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Well, another race, another underwhelming result. It's a long season so plenty of time I guess, but conspiracy theories aside, I wasn't expecting wins, but I was expecting him to have the measure of Stroll and it would be hard to argue that's happened so far.
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Tue May 11, 2021 4:00 pm
Well, another race, another underwhelming result. It's a long season so plenty of time I guess, but conspiracy theories aside, I wasn't expecting wins, but I was expecting him to have the measure of Stroll and it would be hard to argue that's happened so far.
The car is woeful

It's literally based on a championship winning car; 2020 W11 rear end, 2021 W12 engine and gearbox....and they still made a dog's dinner out of it :lol: :lol: :lol:

Where they went wrong is when they developed their own chassis instead of continuing with the 2019 Mercedes W10 chassis.

They also still don't understand the car; then again that's their own fault for the copy and paste philosophy.
I'd wager there is at least another 0.5 seconds plus to unlock in that car if they can get the correct set-up window.
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Where they went wrong is when they developed their own chassis instead of continuing with the 2019 Mercedes W10 chassis.
Yeah, they were so proud of how 'this car is 100% an Aston Martin, not a Merc copy' ahead of the season, and even got the commentators to play their tune. It would have made them look good if they had successfully developed their own car and actually gone forward, but the reverse happened and it makes all the criticism from their rivals look pretty spot on.

And then they pulled out that absolutely ridiculous line about how they lost a whole second to the reg changes compared to the rest in the midfield, and lost what credibility they had left.
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Schermerhorn wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 5:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 4:00 pm
Well, another race, another underwhelming result. It's a long season so plenty of time I guess, but conspiracy theories aside, I wasn't expecting wins, but I was expecting him to have the measure of Stroll and it would be hard to argue that's happened so far.
The car is woeful

It's literally based on a championship winning car; 2020 W11 rear end, 2021 W12 engine and gearbox.

Where they went wrong is when they developed their own chassis instead of continuing with the 2019 Mercedes W10 chassis.

They also still don't understand the car; then again that's their own fault for the copy and paste philosophy.
I'd wager there is at least another 0.5 seconds plus to unlock in that car if they can get the correct set-up window.
Yeah OK, that explains where the car is, but this is about Vettel and his performance relative to Stroll. Stroll is generally underrated imo but surely Vettel should have the upper hand by now?
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DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 7:30 pm
Schermerhorn wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 5:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 4:00 pm
Well, another race, another underwhelming result. It's a long season so plenty of time I guess, but conspiracy theories aside, I wasn't expecting wins, but I was expecting him to have the measure of Stroll and it would be hard to argue that's happened so far.
The car is woeful

It's literally based on a championship winning car; 2020 W11 rear end, 2021 W12 engine and gearbox.

Where they went wrong is when they developed their own chassis instead of continuing with the 2019 Mercedes W10 chassis.

They also still don't understand the car; then again that's their own fault for the copy and paste philosophy.
I'd wager there is at least another 0.5 seconds plus to unlock in that car if they can get the correct set-up window.
Yeah OK, that explains where the car is, but this is about Vettel and his performance relative to Stroll. Stroll is generally underrated imo but surely Vettel should have the upper hand by now?
Weren't there reports that Stroll was the only one that had upgrades for at least one GP? It doesn't excuse anything obviously, but that piece of info and the fact that Vettel is still learning this team, probably points to some of the difference. I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!

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I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!
I see an awful lot of Massa in Stroll. For Massa, beating Villeneuve was the making of him even if he went on to be beaten by nearly all his teammates. For Stroll, beating Vettel could be the making of him and maybe get the attention of a team looking for a #2.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:00 am
Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 7:44 am
I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!
I see an awful lot of Massa in Stroll. For Massa, beating Villeneuve was the making of him even if he went on to be beaten by nearly all his teammates. For Stroll, beating Vettel could be the making of him and maybe get the attention of a team looking for a #2.
Massa actually had some pace.

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Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 7:44 am
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 7:30 pm
Schermerhorn wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 5:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 4:00 pm
Well, another race, another underwhelming result. It's a long season so plenty of time I guess, but conspiracy theories aside, I wasn't expecting wins, but I was expecting him to have the measure of Stroll and it would be hard to argue that's happened so far.
The car is woeful

It's literally based on a championship winning car; 2020 W11 rear end, 2021 W12 engine and gearbox.

Where they went wrong is when they developed their own chassis instead of continuing with the 2019 Mercedes W10 chassis.

They also still don't understand the car; then again that's their own fault for the copy and paste philosophy.
I'd wager there is at least another 0.5 seconds plus to unlock in that car if they can get the correct set-up window.
Yeah OK, that explains where the car is, but this is about Vettel and his performance relative to Stroll. Stroll is generally underrated imo but surely Vettel should have the upper hand by now?
Weren't there reports that Stroll was the only one that had upgrades for at least one GP? It doesn't excuse anything obviously, but that piece of info and the fact that Vettel is still learning this team, probably points to some of the difference. I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!
New parts doesn't mean automatically they are upgrades... Considering the last race, I tend to think they are just new parts.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:06 am
F1Tyrant wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:00 am
Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 7:44 am
I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!
I see an awful lot of Massa in Stroll. For Massa, beating Villeneuve was the making of him even if he went on to be beaten by nearly all his teammates. For Stroll, beating Vettel could be the making of him and maybe get the attention of a team looking for a #2.
Massa actually had some pace.
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Harpo wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:07 am
Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 7:44 am
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 7:30 pm
Schermerhorn wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 5:09 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 4:00 pm
Well, another race, another underwhelming result. It's a long season so plenty of time I guess, but conspiracy theories aside, I wasn't expecting wins, but I was expecting him to have the measure of Stroll and it would be hard to argue that's happened so far.
The car is woeful

It's literally based on a championship winning car; 2020 W11 rear end, 2021 W12 engine and gearbox.

Where they went wrong is when they developed their own chassis instead of continuing with the 2019 Mercedes W10 chassis.

They also still don't understand the car; then again that's their own fault for the copy and paste philosophy.
I'd wager there is at least another 0.5 seconds plus to unlock in that car if they can get the correct set-up window.
Yeah OK, that explains where the car is, but this is about Vettel and his performance relative to Stroll. Stroll is generally underrated imo but surely Vettel should have the upper hand by now?
Weren't there reports that Stroll was the only one that had upgrades for at least one GP? It doesn't excuse anything obviously, but that piece of info and the fact that Vettel is still learning this team, probably points to some of the difference. I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!
New parts doesn't mean automatically they are upgrades... Considering the last race, I tend to think they are just new parts.
Yeah, they were supposed to be an upgrade package. God knows why Stroll did so bad in quali.

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Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:19 am
Harpo wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:07 am
Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 7:44 am
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 7:30 pm
Schermerhorn wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 5:09 pm


The car is woeful

It's literally based on a championship winning car; 2020 W11 rear end, 2021 W12 engine and gearbox.

Where they went wrong is when they developed their own chassis instead of continuing with the 2019 Mercedes W10 chassis.

They also still don't understand the car; then again that's their own fault for the copy and paste philosophy.
I'd wager there is at least another 0.5 seconds plus to unlock in that car if they can get the correct set-up window.
Yeah OK, that explains where the car is, but this is about Vettel and his performance relative to Stroll. Stroll is generally underrated imo but surely Vettel should have the upper hand by now?
Weren't there reports that Stroll was the only one that had upgrades for at least one GP? It doesn't excuse anything obviously, but that piece of info and the fact that Vettel is still learning this team, probably points to some of the difference. I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!
New parts doesn't mean automatically they are upgrades... Considering the last race, I tend to think they are just new parts.
Yeah, they were supposed to be an upgrade package. God knows why Stroll did so bad in quali.
From what I read Stroll had the new package in Portimao and Vettel had it in Spain.
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DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 9:10 am
Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:19 am
Harpo wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:07 am
Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 7:44 am
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 7:30 pm


Yeah OK, that explains where the car is, but this is about Vettel and his performance relative to Stroll. Stroll is generally underrated imo but surely Vettel should have the upper hand by now?
Weren't there reports that Stroll was the only one that had upgrades for at least one GP? It doesn't excuse anything obviously, but that piece of info and the fact that Vettel is still learning this team, probably points to some of the difference. I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!
New parts doesn't mean automatically they are upgrades... Considering the last race, I tend to think they are just new parts.
Yeah, they were supposed to be an upgrade package. God knows why Stroll did so bad in quali.
From what I read Stroll had the new package in Portimao and Vettel had it in Spain.
Ah, I got it wrong then. Thanks

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:06 am
F1Tyrant wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:00 am
Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 7:44 am
I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!
I see an awful lot of Massa in Stroll. For Massa, beating Villeneuve was the making of him even if he went on to be beaten by nearly all his teammates. For Stroll, beating Vettel could be the making of him and maybe get the attention of a team looking for a #2.
Massa actually had some pace.
Massa is very under rated. I know Fernando broke his spirit, but when Ferrari put their arm around him and gave him some confidence he was a genuine threat to Lewis in the Mclaren in 2008. In 2009 he carried that confidence forward and had the measure of Kimi too from what I can remember.

It does make you wonder, how much of this game is actually mental (confidence) and how much physical?
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That's more like it Seb.
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That's more like it Seb.
Yeah I'm expecting him to beat Stroll more often than not now.
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pokerman wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:41 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:57 pm
That's more like it Seb.
Yeah I'm expecting him to beat Stroll more often than not now.
well one swallow and all that and Monaco is an oddity, but it was a convincing run so hopefully the start of better things.
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Well that was better! Best driving I've seen from Seb in ages, not just this year. Great to see him enjoying it.
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Indeed, nice to see Seb looking like himself again. I think that was the first time I've heard a happy Seb radio message after a race since early 2018.
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Well that was better! Best driving I've seen from Seb in ages, not just this year. Great to see him enjoying it.
It's because that was pure pace from him and not luck of the draw.

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Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.

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Rockie wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:31 am
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Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:14 pm
Well that was better! Best driving I've seen from Seb in ages, not just this year. Great to see him enjoying it.
It's because that was pure pace from him and not luck of the draw.
It was his racecraft as well as outright pace. And that's something we haven't been able to say for quite a while.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Vettel's benchmark is not Stroll and this is why fans make a lot of mistake in assessing performance of drivers, as everything is thought in binary fashion.

The consistency of his laptimes his pace in the race and getting to understand the car reminds me of him in Toro Rosso at the Valencia GP something changed for him that day with the car, a lot of drivers reputations benefit from beating Vettel except Vettel himself.

On pure pace in the last 2 races only drivers of Redbull and Mercedes were faster than him in the race.

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DOLOMITE wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:35 pm
Rockie wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:31 am
DOLOMITE wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:14 pm
Well that was better! Best driving I've seen from Seb in ages, not just this year. Great to see him enjoying it.
It's because that was pure pace from him and not luck of the draw.
It was his racecraft as well as outright pace. And that's something we haven't been able to say for quite a while.
Exactly!

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Yeah good to see Vettel getting such a good result but just looking at Stroll's times the Aston Martin was really quick, this was no miracle drive from Vettel but nevertheless a seriously good result.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Surely Stroll can be considered a decent driver by now? He also looked pretty good in the past 2 races.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:47 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Surely Stroll can be considered a decent driver by now? He also looked pretty good in the past 2 races.
He can be considered significantly worse than upper midifeld drivers like Perez/Ocon/Bottas etc until he proves otherwise.

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interesting fact here. Vettel has scored the most points of any driver at Baku with 75.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:06 am
F1Tyrant wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:00 am
Siao7 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 7:44 am
I suspect that it is also a combination of Vettel underperforming the last few years and Stroll being possibly a bit less sh*t that everyone thought!
I see an awful lot of Massa in Stroll. For Massa, beating Villeneuve was the making of him even if he went on to be beaten by nearly all his teammates. For Stroll, beating Vettel could be the making of him and maybe get the attention of a team looking for a #2.
Massa actually had some pace.
To imply Stroll has no pace is an unfair assessment - he's gotten P2 in Monza in the wet and a pole in Turkey on merit. He's not the fastest guy out there, sure, but he has shown flashes of some really good pace.

Besides, I personally think he is the best driver on lap 1 on the grid.

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pokerman wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Yeah good to see Vettel getting such a good result but just looking at Stroll's times the Aston Martin was really quick, this was no miracle drive from Vettel but nevertheless a seriously good result.
Absolute nonsense as usual, they had race pace from practice what do we need to look at Strolls pace for?

Vettel finished where he deserved to no one said it was a miracle drive most folks were just pointing at Vettel back to doing what is expected of him.

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Rockie wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:30 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Yeah good to see Vettel getting such a good result but just looking at Stroll's times the Aston Martin was really quick, this was no miracle drive from Vettel but nevertheless a seriously good result.
Absolute nonsense as usual, they had race pace from practice what do we need to look at Strolls pace for?

Vettel finished where he deserved to no one said it was a miracle drive most folks were just pointing at Vettel back to doing what is expected of him.
Stroll was able to post similar times to Vettel, the car was really good, for a time Stroll was running directly behind Hamilton and that's when I noticed the speed of the car with Stroll also being on old tyres.
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Rockie wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:30 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Yeah good to see Vettel getting such a good result but just looking at Stroll's times the Aston Martin was really quick, this was no miracle drive from Vettel but nevertheless a seriously good result.
Absolute nonsense as usual, they had race pace from practice what do we need to look at Strolls pace for?

Vettel finished where he deserved to no one said it was a miracle drive most folks were just pointing at Vettel back to doing what is expected of him.
This is a bizarre comment. You say what Poker says is nonsense and then go on to agree with the only thing he claimed.

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Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

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pokerman wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:18 pm
Rockie wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:30 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Yeah good to see Vettel getting such a good result but just looking at Stroll's times the Aston Martin was really quick, this was no miracle drive from Vettel but nevertheless a seriously good result.
Absolute nonsense as usual, they had race pace from practice what do we need to look at Strolls pace for?

Vettel finished where he deserved to no one said it was a miracle drive most folks were just pointing at Vettel back to doing what is expected of him.
Stroll was able to post similar times to Vettel, the car was really good, for a time Stroll was running directly behind Hamilton and that's when I noticed the speed of the car with Stroll also being on old tyres.
Stroll didn't post similar times to Vettel also no one has called the cars race pace slow.

Vettel on worn softs was faster than the leaders at some point whilst in the lead.

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Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:30 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:46 pm
Over the last 2 races Verstappen and Vettel have easily been the most impressive drivers. But Vettel's early performance looses him some credit for his season performance.
You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Yeah good to see Vettel getting such a good result but just looking at Stroll's times the Aston Martin was really quick, this was no miracle drive from Vettel but nevertheless a seriously good result.
Absolute nonsense as usual, they had race pace from practice what do we need to look at Strolls pace for?

Vettel finished where he deserved to no one said it was a miracle drive most folks were just pointing at Vettel back to doing what is expected of him.
This is a bizarre comment. You say what Poker says is nonsense and then go on to agree with the only thing he claimed.
Nothing bizarre in it, he was introducing a claim no one made.

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Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

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Rockie wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:06 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:30 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:02 pm


You also have to remember that Vettel's benchmark is Stroll. We know a borderline top third driver like Perez can beat Stroll comfortably. Right now I wouldn't put Vettel in the top 10 of the season thus far. That will change though if he keeps getting good results and roasting his teammate.
Yeah good to see Vettel getting such a good result but just looking at Stroll's times the Aston Martin was really quick, this was no miracle drive from Vettel but nevertheless a seriously good result.
Absolute nonsense as usual, they had race pace from practice what do we need to look at Strolls pace for?

Vettel finished where he deserved to no one said it was a miracle drive most folks were just pointing at Vettel back to doing what is expected of him.
This is a bizarre comment. You say what Poker says is nonsense and then go on to agree with the only thing he claimed.
Nothing bizarre in it, he was introducing a claim no one made.
Well comparing his performances to his Torro Rosso years, outperforming the car we may say, I'm merely pointing out that the Aston Martin was really good and I only have to look at Stroll's performance to see that, nevertheless a terrific result for Vettel.
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Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

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pokerman wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:38 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:06 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:30 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 pm

Yeah good to see Vettel getting such a good result but just looking at Stroll's times the Aston Martin was really quick, this was no miracle drive from Vettel but nevertheless a seriously good result.
Absolute nonsense as usual, they had race pace from practice what do we need to look at Strolls pace for?

Vettel finished where he deserved to no one said it was a miracle drive most folks were just pointing at Vettel back to doing what is expected of him.
This is a bizarre comment. You say what Poker says is nonsense and then go on to agree with the only thing he claimed.
Nothing bizarre in it, he was introducing a claim no one made.
Well comparing his performances to his Torro Rosso years, outperforming the car we may say, I'm merely pointing out that the Aston Martin was really good and I only have to look at Stroll's performance to see that, nevertheless a terrific result for Vettel.
Let me get this right so every time a driver does well we have to look at his team mates performance, will remind you of this next time you are going on about Hamilton not given credit when next Mercedes have a 1,2 finish.

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Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

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Rockie wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:38 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:38 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:06 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:30 pm


Absolute nonsense as usual, they had race pace from practice what do we need to look at Strolls pace for?

Vettel finished where he deserved to no one said it was a miracle drive most folks were just pointing at Vettel back to doing what is expected of him.
This is a bizarre comment. You say what Poker says is nonsense and then go on to agree with the only thing he claimed.
Nothing bizarre in it, he was introducing a claim no one made.
Well comparing his performances to his Torro Rosso years, outperforming the car we may say, I'm merely pointing out that the Aston Martin was really good and I only have to look at Stroll's performance to see that, nevertheless a terrific result for Vettel.
Let me get this right so every time a driver does well we have to look at his team mates performance, will remind you of this next time you are going on about Hamilton not given credit when next Mercedes have a 1,2 finish.
Nah, Hamilton has his own rules :D

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Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

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Siao7 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:26 pm
Rockie wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:38 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:38 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:06 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:11 pm


This is a bizarre comment. You say what Poker says is nonsense and then go on to agree with the only thing he claimed.
Nothing bizarre in it, he was introducing a claim no one made.
Well comparing his performances to his Torro Rosso years, outperforming the car we may say, I'm merely pointing out that the Aston Martin was really good and I only have to look at Stroll's performance to see that, nevertheless a terrific result for Vettel.
Let me get this right so every time a driver does well we have to look at his team mates performance, will remind you of this next time you are going on about Hamilton not given credit when next Mercedes have a 1,2 finish.
Nah, Hamilton has his own rules :D
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

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Rockie wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:38 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:38 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:06 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:11 pm
Rockie wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:30 pm


Absolute nonsense as usual, they had race pace from practice what do we need to look at Strolls pace for?

Vettel finished where he deserved to no one said it was a miracle drive most folks were just pointing at Vettel back to doing what is expected of him.
This is a bizarre comment. You say what Poker says is nonsense and then go on to agree with the only thing he claimed.
Nothing bizarre in it, he was introducing a claim no one made.
Well comparing his performances to his Torro Rosso years, outperforming the car we may say, I'm merely pointing out that the Aston Martin was really good and I only have to look at Stroll's performance to see that, nevertheless a terrific result for Vettel.
Let me get this right so every time a driver does well we have to look at his team mates performance, will remind you of this next time you are going on about Hamilton not given credit when next Mercedes have a 1,2 finish.
Mercedes have not had a 1-2 finish all season.
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Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

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pokerman wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:43 pm
Rockie wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:38 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:38 pm
Rockie wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:06 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:11 pm


This is a bizarre comment. You say what Poker says is nonsense and then go on to agree with the only thing he claimed.
Nothing bizarre in it, he was introducing a claim no one made.
Well comparing his performances to his Torro Rosso years, outperforming the car we may say, I'm merely pointing out that the Aston Martin was really good and I only have to look at Stroll's performance to see that, nevertheless a terrific result for Vettel.
Let me get this right so every time a driver does well we have to look at his team mates performance, will remind you of this next time you are going on about Hamilton not given credit when next Mercedes have a 1,2 finish.
Mercedes have not had a 1-2 finish all season.
Was there anything special about Hamilton’s drives at Bahrain 2014 or Germany 2018?

I mean, his teammate also has good pace in those weekends and finished second, right?

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