Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Forum rules
Please read the forum rules
TheGiantHogweed
Posts: 3602
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:15 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by TheGiantHogweed »

mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:27 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:23 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:08 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:59 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:32 pm


I thought Vettel looked as good or better than Stroll today until his incident. The incident played a big part obviously, but I don't think vettel's pace was lacking at all and I think yesterday was a little hard to judge. But he can have yesterday taken against him regarding the yellow flag incident, though he wasn't at fault for missing out on qualifying further up than Q1.
You really need to ignore them lol, Vettel schooling their fav in wheel to wheel combat though on older tyres was too much to take for them thus none mentioned it on the race thread but immediately jumped on his mistake it tells you all you need to know.
That it doesn't matter how well you race for a few laps if you end up running into the back of someone?
Not sure if it was you or not, but when I pointed out that Bottas at least managed to finish the race in Turkey despite being awful in it, and Vettel in germany 2018 got brought up as a comparison. And we were basically discussing what was worse. Having a solid majority of the race, then binning it or having a poor race and still at least finishing. I think almost everyone in that instance considered Vettel to have been better despite binning it.

In today's instance, Vettel made a smaller error than he did then, and looked pretty good before it. I feel some people are judging this somewhat differently to the discussion i'm referring to in Germany.
Including yourself of course who insisted Bottas' race was better.

Anyway, it's a really bizarre comparison. Nobody is saying Vettel performed worse here than Bottas in Turkey. Obviously the whole race matters to some degree. People don't really think a driver is due to praise for a race where he made a very big mistake.
It just depends on how much this mistake influences peoples views on his season. He obviously is continuing making mistakes, but his pace also showed that he may be able to get solid results. I have written a lot of what I've said without making it obvious enough that i'm basing his solid performance from this race more on how I think he will perform in other races and I don't expect he will make mistakes all the time. The team will likely have judged him in a similar way too or they wouldn't have wanted him. I don't see why some people think he should retire. The team will have seen what he was like last season, and they chose to sign him on.

User avatar
Invade
Posts: 3770
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Invade »

TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:52 pm


It just depends on how much this mistake influences peoples views on his season. He obviously is continuing making mistakes, but his pace also showed that he may be able to get solid results. I have written a lot of what I've said without making it obvious enough that i'm basing his solid performance from this race more on how I think he will perform in other races and I don't expect he will make mistakes all the time. The team will likely have judged him in a similar way too or they wouldn't have wanted him. I don't see why some people think he should retire. The team will have seen what he was like last season, and they chose to sign him on.
My big issue with Vettel today isn't even the error. My incredulity was in response to what he then said about the incident.

It is utterly staggering to me how difficult Vettel finds it to make himself accountable. It's some blinded, indefatigable, intransigent defence mechanism — and he just can't help himself. But then I guess we shouldn't be surprised, huh...

I hope the AM folk sit down with Vettel about that, and help him to be confident but also call him out on his reaction to the incident (in private). It would do him some good to get over this sort of reflexive behaviour.

Vettel should be better able to accept blame for his own mistakes. And it can't always be in hindsight when given days or weeks to think about it.

He still doesn't accept — given his recent statements about Alonso's best driver comments — that he had the car in 2017 and 2018 to perhaps win the WDC.

KingVoid
Posts: 3138
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:54 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by KingVoid »

I did not see the debate between Turkey 2020 and Germany 2018 as it happened, but I do think that Vettel drove a better race at Germany 2018 than Bottas did at Turkey 2020.

schumilegend
Posts: 464
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:11 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by schumilegend »

Removed by Moderation Team - criticism in driver official threads must be constructive.

User avatar
UnlikeUday
Posts: 9343
Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:53 pm
Location: Mumbai, India

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by UnlikeUday »

I was surprised to see Stroll have him beat in qualy & race. The only thing in his favour was this is his first race for AM. Let's see how he does in the oncoming races. But yeah, AM has lost out in the midfield group.
Feel The Fourth

User avatar
Mercedes-Benz
Posts: 1104
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:02 am
Location: India

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Mercedes-Benz »

Worst possible start with 2 penalties in 2 days for Vettel. But since it going to take some races before AM gets competitive he has sometime. It is a big project. It is not doom and gloom what some like to think. He has not forgotten how to drive a car so things will only get better with time :-|
Sir Stirling Moss "Quite frankly, Kimi Raikkonen is the fastest driver in the world"

User avatar
DOLOMITE
Posts: 2049
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:07 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by DOLOMITE »

Not exactly a dream start and a bit sad to see. Not so much the pace, but the incident with Ocon and the immediate "why did he move?". Far from being a new start this was very much a continuation of the Vettel we know from the last couple of years. Hopefully it will get better.
"I'd rather lose a race going fast enough to win it, than win one going slow enough to lose it".
-Stirling Moss

PT03
Posts: 72
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:28 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by PT03 »

Seems obvious to me...when you are not completely happy with the Race car you push it beyond it's and your limits, thus mistakes are made. The less the car is developed to your liking the more out of your comfort zone you have to go to make it perform. Cars that are a handful to drive are rarely fast over a race distance. Vettel's had no time in the car in testing, & is surrounded by a completely new team to him. Aston have said the 'Rake' changes have hit them hard, this is not the car it was last season. For God's sake give the guy a break.

mikeyg123
Posts: 19039
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:13 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by mikeyg123 »

PT03 wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:48 am
Seems obvious to me...when you are not completely happy with the Race car you push it beyond it's and your limits, thus mistakes are made. The less the car is developed to your liking the more out of your comfort zone you have to go to make it perform. Cars that are a handful to drive are rarely fast over a race distance. Vettel's had no time in the car in testing, & is surrounded by a completely new team to him. Aston have said the 'Rake' changes have hit them hard, this is not the car it was last season. For God's sake give the guy a break.
Vettel's mistakes are often now about that though and neither was this one. He didn't crash into Ocon because his car was performing poorly.

I also think that Vettel does himself no favours with fans with his immediate reaction. When someone says something that is demonstrably and obviously untrue it puts peoples backs up.

PT03
Posts: 72
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:28 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by PT03 »

Maybe you missed the bit driving beyond your limit in a car that you are not completely comfortable in - nothing to do with the car performing poorly (forgetting the step backward they have made due to Rake changes), as for he immediate reaction..............how often does anyone in F1 say 'oh yeah it was my fault' there is always an excuse.

mikeyg123
Posts: 19039
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:13 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by mikeyg123 »

PT03 wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:47 am
Maybe you missed the bit driving beyond your limit in a car that you are not completely comfortable in - nothing to do with the car performing poorly (forgetting the step backward they have made due to Rake changes), as for he immediate reaction..............how often does anyone in F1 say 'oh yeah it was my fault' there is always an excuse.
I didn't miss it, it just doesn't apply in this circumstance. He didn't crash on his own. He crashed because he made a rookie mistake. He moved behind another driver, lost aero on the front and therefore couldn't get the car slowed down.

There is a difference between making an excuse and habitually making things up. Vettel does the later.

PT03
Posts: 72
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:28 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by PT03 »

Oh i give up........Haters gotta hate.

User avatar
Schermerhorn
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:02 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Schermerhorn »

How can he have such good spatial awareness at the beginning on cold tyres, a car full of fuel, and carnage around him on lap 1 and then make a clumsy error on Ocon afterwards?

It's more disappointing because he was managing his battle with Fernando Alonso and Kimi much better; all clean, neat and well placed. So we know the ability is there.

I'll chalk this up to brain fade and expect a much better showing in Imola.

The car has not hit the sweet spot yet either in terms of setup. If Mercedes can win a race, then AM should not be so far behind. The W12 is not years ahead of the W11.
You’re not in a fight until there’s pressure. Resistance. Overcoming something. Otherwise, it’s just an exhibition.

mikeyg123
Posts: 19039
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:13 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by mikeyg123 »

PT03 wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:53 am
Oh i give up........Haters gotta hate.
I don't hate Vettel. I don't have to make excuses that don't add up for him either.

Rockie
Posts: 2408
Joined: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:13 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Rockie »

mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:08 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:59 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:32 pm
Invade wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:22 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:20 pm

hmm, yea, i means loss of concentration or blank moment. Or anything else that would describe it. I can't defend him for the incident. I can't say it was a good weekend as a whole, I just thought he looked more comfortable with the car than he did most of last year in the early stages of the race. Maybe I'm gettign my hopes up too soon for the rest of the season, but I still think he'll be somewhat better overall at this team than he was last year. He's obviously had a poor result to begin with.
Well I don't really see this first race as a definitive sign of things to come.

I expect Vettel to be better than Stroll.

Yeh it's a miserable start and he still needs to drag himself out of his hole. His immediate comments about his own incident pretty much shows that.

Take accountability...


But AM have had a slow start, Vettel hasn't had many laps, and they're just getting started.
I thought Vettel looked as good or better than Stroll today until his incident. The incident played a big part obviously, but I don't think vettel's pace was lacking at all and I think yesterday was a little hard to judge. But he can have yesterday taken against him regarding the yellow flag incident, though he wasn't at fault for missing out on qualifying further up than Q1.
You really need to ignore them lol, Vettel schooling their fav in wheel to wheel combat though on older tyres was too much to take for them thus none mentioned it on the race thread but immediately jumped on his mistake it tells you all you need to know.
That it doesn't matter how well you race for a few laps if you end up running into the back of someone?
He locked up its a normal error was unlucky he had no where else to go!

A.J.
Posts: 984
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:37 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by A.J. »

Rockie wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:19 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:08 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:59 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:32 pm
Invade wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:22 pm


Well I don't really see this first race as a definitive sign of things to come.

I expect Vettel to be better than Stroll.

Yeh it's a miserable start and he still needs to drag himself out of his hole. His immediate comments about his own incident pretty much shows that.

Take accountability...


But AM have had a slow start, Vettel hasn't had many laps, and they're just getting started.
I thought Vettel looked as good or better than Stroll today until his incident. The incident played a big part obviously, but I don't think vettel's pace was lacking at all and I think yesterday was a little hard to judge. But he can have yesterday taken against him regarding the yellow flag incident, though he wasn't at fault for missing out on qualifying further up than Q1.
You really need to ignore them lol, Vettel schooling their fav in wheel to wheel combat though on older tyres was too much to take for them thus none mentioned it on the race thread but immediately jumped on his mistake it tells you all you need to know.
That it doesn't matter how well you race for a few laps if you end up running into the back of someone?
He locked up its a normal error was unlucky he had no where else to go!
Remarkably similar to him running into the back of Verstappen at at British GP (2019?) - my problem with Vettel is that he keeps making the same mistakes over and over, and then claims he wasn't at fault. It has to be default defense mechanism for him, because for the life of me I can't imagine any sane person thinking Ocon was moving and causing the crash there.

User avatar
Exediron
Posts: 8764
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:53 am
Location: Michigan, USA
Contact:

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Exediron »

In Vettel's defense, I think any of us who have actually raced know that things feel different when you're in the car. It's never a good idea to react until you've had a chance to get out and see a replay if available, or think it over in your own head if not. I know from my own karting plenty of times I've been convinced the other guy did something dangerous and illegal, and on review I realize it was actually completely fine and it just made me angry in the moment.

Obviously, Vettel should take the second part of that sentence to heart. But it's completely normal to overreact or assign blame to others in the heat of the moment.
PICK 10 COMPETITION (6 wins, 19 podiums): 3rd in 2016
TOP THREE CHAMPIONSHIP (No Limit Excedrin Racing): Champions in 2015 & 2018 | 2nd in 2017 & 2019
AUTOSPORT GP PREDICTOR: 2017 USA & P-F1 Champion

Paolo_Lasardi
Posts: 2985
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 2:04 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Paolo_Lasardi »

Exediron wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:25 pm
In Vettel's defense, I think any of us who have actually raced know that things feel different when you're in the car. It's never a good idea to react until you've had a chance to get out and see a replay if available, or think it over in your own head if not. I know from my own karting plenty of times I've been convinced the other guy did something dangerous and illegal, and on review I realize it was actually completely fine and it just made me angry in the moment.

Obviously, Vettel should take the second part of that sentence to heart. But it's completely normal to overreact or assign blame to others in the heat of the moment.
:thumbup:

People give too much weight to what drivers say in the heat of the moment.

User avatar
Invade
Posts: 3770
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Invade »

Except Vettel turns it into a real caricature. His skill in this area far surpasses the others.

I see this as a fundamental problem because it's beyond a heat of the moment thing with him at this point. It's chronic blame deflection and sometimes at ridiculous odds to what is actually occurring in front of him.

I'm not really sympathetic here in comparison to other drivers, in terms of making a cross comparison of typical driver response.

But I'm not remotely writing him off for the season nor do I think he should retire. I just see it as a very real flaw which in his case is unusually amplified, which he could actively do more to fix.

Fixing it doesn't change what happens in those moments - he needs to simply cut out the errors for that. But it's a part of a generally negative spiral he finds himself in more than ever in the past few seasons.

pokerman
Posts: 37182
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by pokerman »

Rockie wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:19 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:08 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:59 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:32 pm
Invade wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:22 pm


Well I don't really see this first race as a definitive sign of things to come.

I expect Vettel to be better than Stroll.

Yeh it's a miserable start and he still needs to drag himself out of his hole. His immediate comments about his own incident pretty much shows that.

Take accountability...


But AM have had a slow start, Vettel hasn't had many laps, and they're just getting started.
I thought Vettel looked as good or better than Stroll today until his incident. The incident played a big part obviously, but I don't think vettel's pace was lacking at all and I think yesterday was a little hard to judge. But he can have yesterday taken against him regarding the yellow flag incident, though he wasn't at fault for missing out on qualifying further up than Q1.
You really need to ignore them lol, Vettel schooling their fav in wheel to wheel combat though on older tyres was too much to take for them thus none mentioned it on the race thread but immediately jumped on his mistake it tells you all you need to know.
That it doesn't matter how well you race for a few laps if you end up running into the back of someone?
He locked up its a normal error was unlucky he had no where else to go!
I don't think it's a normal error, maybe normal for Vettel, but worse is the not understanding of what actually happened in order to blame the other driver.

If you don't recognise your errors then how do you ever rectify them, it's such a strange thing with Vettel he's such an intelligent and articulate person when out of the car, even in the car he has the ability to read a race strategy, but in wheel to wheel combat he can't be calm in his thinking to make so many irrational mistakes.

In terms of his performance any deficit I simply put it down to newness in the team, I find it hard to believe Stroll will beat him over the stretch, I hope he manages to turn things around.
Lewis Hamilton #44

World Drivers Titles: 7 (1st)
Grand Prix Wins: 98 (1st)
Pole Positions: 100 (1st)
Podiums: 169 (1st)


PF1 Pick 10 Competition
2014: Champion

SlipstreamF1
Posts: 52
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:08 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by SlipstreamF1 »

Vettel's defense makes sense if he had no idea what corner was coming up. That was the slowest corner and Ocon broke appropriately. Vettel had a case of alzheimer's or ADHD, I don't know but he came in way too hot.

KingVoid
Posts: 3138
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:54 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by KingVoid »

Vettel seems like the kind of guy who thinks that it is unmanly to ask for help.

I've heard lots of stories from drivers talking about how they train and improve themselves ahead of every season, work on their weaknesses, talk to psychologists, etc... most drivers today have an entourage around them to make sure they get the best out of themselves.

I have never heard any of that from Vettel. He openly stated that he doesn't need a sports psychologist or any help. He rarely admits when an accident is his fault and he refuses to acknowledge that there is a pattern with his mistakes. When you refuse to acknowledge that you have a problem, then you will never fix it.

Vettel has been coasting on talent for years now, what he doesn't realize is just how far out of his depth he is in modern Formula 1.

User avatar
DOLOMITE
Posts: 2049
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:07 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by DOLOMITE »

Apparently Vettel apologised to Ocon afterwards, but last comment I saw from Vettel still was that Ocon moved left, and he absolutely did not. Vettel just left it too late or didn't allow for the loss of downforce under braking when following another car.
"I'd rather lose a race going fast enough to win it, than win one going slow enough to lose it".
-Stirling Moss

Option or Prime
Posts: 2118
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:50 am
Location: UK

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Option or Prime »

Does Nico Hulkenberg going AM put pressure on Vettel? That's a high profile reserve driver!

User avatar
DOLOMITE
Posts: 2049
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:07 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by DOLOMITE »

Option or Prime wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:23 am
Does Nico Hulkenberg going AM put pressure on Vettel? That's a high profile reserve driver!
I don't think so, but if Vettel doesn't improve signficantly on that opening weekend you have to wonder at what point would the team consider subbing Nico. It's way to early to judge Vettel yet, but if he's not battering Stroll after 5-6 races, AM are in a difficult position. They were open about the fact that Vettel was brought with expectations that he would lead and "deliver" given his pedigree. That's the pressure is under right now, not the fact that the Hulk is there in the wings. Personally I think AM should have gone with Nico anyway but that's another discussion!
"I'd rather lose a race going fast enough to win it, than win one going slow enough to lose it".
-Stirling Moss

pokerman
Posts: 37182
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by pokerman »

Option or Prime wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:23 am
Does Nico Hulkenberg going AM put pressure on Vettel? That's a high profile reserve driver!
No it just makes sense to have a Covid substitute, I thought Hulk is also going to be a back up at Mercedes presumably when Vandoorne has clashing commitments with FE.
Lewis Hamilton #44

World Drivers Titles: 7 (1st)
Grand Prix Wins: 98 (1st)
Pole Positions: 100 (1st)
Podiums: 169 (1st)


PF1 Pick 10 Competition
2014: Champion

User avatar
Invade
Posts: 3770
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Invade »

DOLOMITE wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:10 pm
Option or Prime wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:23 am
Does Nico Hulkenberg going AM put pressure on Vettel? That's a high profile reserve driver!
I don't think so, but if Vettel doesn't improve signficantly on that opening weekend you have to wonder at what point would the team consider subbing Nico. It's way to early to judge Vettel yet, but if he's not battering Stroll after 5-6 races, AM are in a difficult position. They were open about the fact that Vettel was brought with expectations that he would lead and "deliver" given his pedigree. That's the pressure is under right now, not the fact that the Hulk is there in the wings. Personally I think AM should have gone with Nico anyway but that's another discussion!
Maybe I'm just grossly underestimating Lance Stroll, but I can't really see Vettel not gaining the upper hand within that timeframe of let's say 6 races.

I'm already at the point where Vettel appears to be in an entirely lower league to Hamilton and Alonso, no better than the likes of Ricciardo or Button perhaps. On current form, he might not even be top-10 on the grid. But then I'm not sure Stroll is any higher than ~14th or so. If Vettel can't best Stroll then it really would be a sorry tale.

User avatar
DOLOMITE
Posts: 2049
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:07 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by DOLOMITE »

I wasn't able to watch all. Of qualy, was there a specific reason for Vettel being behind Stroll or was Stroll just genuinly quicker?
"I'd rather lose a race going fast enough to win it, than win one going slow enough to lose it".
-Stirling Moss

User avatar
Alienturnedhuman
Posts: 4256
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Alienturnedhuman »

DOLOMITE wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:31 pm
I wasn't able to watch all. Of qualy, was there a specific reason for Vettel being behind Stroll or was Stroll just genuinly quicker?
That was the specific reason.

User avatar
Schermerhorn
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:02 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Schermerhorn »

DOLOMITE wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:31 pm
I wasn't able to watch all. Of qualy, was there a specific reason for Vettel being behind Stroll or was Stroll just genuinly quicker?

Vettel didnt go out in the last few minutes of Q2 when the track was quicker.
You’re not in a fight until there’s pressure. Resistance. Overcoming something. Otherwise, it’s just an exhibition.

User avatar
DOLOMITE
Posts: 2049
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:07 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by DOLOMITE »

Oh dear.
"I'd rather lose a race going fast enough to win it, than win one going slow enough to lose it".
-Stirling Moss

User avatar
Schermerhorn
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:02 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Schermerhorn »

DOLOMITE wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:18 pm
Oh dear.
Oh dear, what?

Brakes on fire.

Pit lane start.

Ridiculous penalty by usual moronic stewards.

DNF at the end.

And people are still sh*tting on Vettel?

I swear, some people love sticking the knife in just for the sake of it - classic bully boy mentality. I have just had to read the same drivel on Autosport too. That forum has gone so downhill in the last few years....SophieB needs to start banning people on there again, like in the olden days when she got too trigger happy with the "ban" button.
You’re not in a fight until there’s pressure. Resistance. Overcoming something. Otherwise, it’s just an exhibition.

TheGiantHogweed
Posts: 3602
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:15 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by TheGiantHogweed »

again, i thought I saw some reasonable racing from vettel like last weekend. Although he had a big misjudgement last race, the rest of it was solid. Given he had a BBW failure at the start of the race and all the other issues, I think he did pretty well again. The result makes it look worse than he did. I can't keep defending him all the time, but we should give him a bit longer before being too harsh towards him.

Paolo_Lasardi
Posts: 2985
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 2:04 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Paolo_Lasardi »

Schermerhorn wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:10 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:18 pm
Oh dear.
Oh dear, what?

Brakes on fire.

Pit lane start.

Ridiculous penalty by usual moronic stewards.

DNF at the end.

And people are still sh*tting on Vettel?

I swear, some people love sticking the knife in just for the sake of it - classic bully boy mentality. I have just had to read the same drivel on Autosport too. That forum has gone so downhill in the last few years....SophieB needs to start banning people on there again, like in the olden days when she got too trigger happy with the "ban" button.
I actually think his racing was fine today. But the penalty was not ridiculous at all.

User avatar
DOLOMITE
Posts: 2049
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:07 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by DOLOMITE »

I just meant, oh dear, another pretty disappointing weekend. A lot beyond Sebs control, but whining about the stewards won't help and he at least needs to be turning quicker laps than Lance.
"I'd rather lose a race going fast enough to win it, than win one going slow enough to lose it".
-Stirling Moss

User avatar
Invade
Posts: 3770
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by Invade »

Did Vettel try reversing out of the gravel after his 2018 German GP crash?

cmberry20
Posts: 276
Joined: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:06 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by cmberry20 »

Image

Source pinimg.com

User avatar
DOLOMITE
Posts: 2049
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:07 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by DOLOMITE »

Seb looking much more comfortable. See if it carries over into the race.
"I'd rather lose a race going fast enough to win it, than win one going slow enough to lose it".
-Stirling Moss

User avatar
DOLOMITE
Posts: 2049
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:07 am

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by DOLOMITE »

I saw Stroll pass Vettel but Vettel finished ahead, did Stroll havd to give the plave back?
"I'd rather lose a race going fast enough to win it, than win one going slow enough to lose it".
-Stirling Moss

pokerman
Posts: 37182
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: Official Sebastian Vettel thread

Post by pokerman »

DOLOMITE wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 10:03 pm
I saw Stroll pass Vettel but Vettel finished ahead, did Stroll havd to give the plave back?
I came here to ask the same thing, Stroll passed Vettel with only about 6 laps to the end of the race.
Lewis Hamilton #44

World Drivers Titles: 7 (1st)
Grand Prix Wins: 98 (1st)
Pole Positions: 100 (1st)
Podiums: 169 (1st)


PF1 Pick 10 Competition
2014: Champion

Post Reply