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nowhereman wrote:Just saw where Massa set the fastest time by a sustantial amount today at Jerez.
He threw a pair of softs on to see what would happen.
Looks like Ferrari's car is "there", and so is Felipe.
If his performance so far is a bellweather of the future, I'd say that RB and McLaren are in deep dog doo doo this season.
A fast Ferrari along with a fast Felipe spells double world titles for Ferrari.
Oh, did I say that Alonso has not stepped into the car yet?
All you experts who wrote off Massa, please go check your Tarrot cards or what ever you have been using to make your statements.
The F138 has not even scratched the surface yet as the 1st aero will not touch the car until Melbourne.

Teddy007 wrote:testing.. testing... testing.
All you experts who said Massa was a brilliant driver and only decided to show up 5 minutes before the end of last year...

Misinformed wrote:Testing is not qualifying. It is not to see the fastest time you can pick up, but rather to 'test' the car, and try and ensure that each part of the total mechanical and aerodynamic package 'talk.'

nowhereman wrote: Looks like Ferrari's car is "there", and so is Felipe.
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nowhereman wrote:Guess what, all you are correct...
It's only testing.
I know that more than most.
The facts are these.
1. All the Massa haters are now and will be eating crow by their own addmissions. <-- Not a fact.
2. We all saw Ferrari last year at this time.<-- Not a fact.
3. We all see Ferrari at this point this time.<-- Not a fact.
4. Big difference and all of you see this.<-- Not a fact.
5. Watch out RB and McLaren because this time your going to be handed your lunch a lot more than last year.<-- Not a fact.
6. Massa is more than a match for any driver short of Alonso and maybe Vettel but I doubt that.<-- Not a fact.

I want to hear the excuses from the Massa haters after Melbourne.....

2. We all saw Ferrari last year at this time.

3. We all see Ferrari at this point this time.

6. Massa is more than a match for any driver short of Alonso and maybe Vettel but I doubt that.

Rosberg’s time was set on the first lap of a 16 lap run in the Mercedes. He will have had 60 kilos of fuel on board at the time, which is 40 kilos more (equivalent to around 1.1 seconds of lap time) than Massa’s fastest timed lap.

So far this week Red Bull have been able to lap most consistently and quickly over a longer run. With Sebastian Vettel behind the wheel of the RB9 for the first time today they were able to complete an eleven lap run on the medium tyre with an average lap time of 1:21.7s – a pace which any other team is yet to show of a run of similar length. As a comparison to the changes in lap times over the course of the week, Jenson Button averaged 1:24.1s over an eight lap stint on the medium tyre, on Monday.

Aeson wrote:Rosberg did a 1:17.613 at Jerez during testing last year and he hardly set the world on fire during the season, whereas the fastest lap McLaren managed was a 1:19.464 yet they locked out the front row at the first race. Nobody can conclusively say who has the fastest car until qualifying in Melbourne.

mds wrote:

Aeson wrote:Rosberg did a 1:17.613 at Jerez during testing last year and he hardly set the world on fire during the season, whereas the fastest lap McLaren managed was a 1:19.464 yet they locked out the front row at the first race. Nobody can conclusively say who has the fastest car until qualifying in Melbourne.

Truth be told Rosberg did that lap with a 2011 car

Aeson wrote:

mds wrote:

Aeson wrote:Rosberg did a 1:17.613 at Jerez during testing last year and he hardly set the world on fire during the season, whereas the fastest lap McLaren managed was a 1:19.464 yet they locked out the front row at the first race. Nobody can conclusively say who has the fastest car until qualifying in Melbourne.

Truth be told Rosberg did that lap with a 2011 car

You could substitute it with anyone though. Button only managed a 1:20.688, the 18th fastest time and over 3 seconds slower than Rosberg, yet he won the first race.

AS wrote:09:10 The fire extinguishers are out and spraying. No fire as such, but there was a dense cloud of smoke coming from the rear of the F138.

09:09 Photographers scrambling now for the shot. It appears to be the F138 of de la Rosa, hence the earlier crawl.

09:08 Our first red flag of the day. We're not sure who it is, but the car does not look good. Very, very smoky from the rear.

NWM wrote:Looks like Ferrari's car is "there"

the incubus wrote:

Teddy007 wrote:testing.. testing... testing.
All you experts who said Massa was a brilliant driver and only decided to show up 5 minutes before the end of last year...

I'll step up to the plate on that last bit. I have ALWAYS supported Felipe and have ALWAYS spoken highly of him and have ALWAYS said he is very fast but that some things were stacked against him that played on his mind. I have ALWAYS stated that those who talk nonsense about him are clueless and that he showed he has the stuff and the will to be a World Champion. In 2008 when he lost out at the very last second to Hamilton I've always said that he, better than anyone went out and did in that last race everything in his power to earn that title and were it not for a set of wild circumstances he'd be a World Champ where perhaps Hamilton would not. With Hamilton being so highly regarded (myself included) the way Massa battled it out with him showed he was perhaps every bit his equal in terms of skill and speed. On top of that He bested Kimi in 2008 and was on track to do the same in 2009 right up until his accident, in a car mind you, that was about as difficult to drive as last years car was for Alonso and Massa initially. So with Kimi being another highly regarded driver by many, a driver that beat him certainly can't be too shabby himself.

While I agree the OP is taking a bit of a leap here, you are way off base in calling out a great deal of people who have perhaps always been Massa fans and supporters and certainly don't know what you're talking about if you believe that Massa is a joke.