Re: Hamilton already quicker than Rosberg?…
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:31 pm
I feel sorry for Nico. It has always been 'what do you think of Schui.....' Now its going to be 'What do you think Lewis....'
PzR Slim wrote: And you found it impossible to ignore it?
Well what became of Hamilton after the 2011 season, he got voted second best driver of the 2012 seasongaragetinkerer wrote:Apologies, as I did get carried away a bit too...Laura23 wrote:Did you have to turn another thread into Button vs Hamilton Johnston? We've heard enough.
As for Hamilton vs Rosberg, I think 2013 could finish Nico's career if he doesn't watch out.
On the other hand, what becomes of Lewis if Nico does a Button or better still?
Or you could try and stop bringing topics off topic with silly arguments we all heard a million times last year.Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: And you found it impossible to ignore it?
Whats the point of going on to a forum to ignore things?
Maybe Laura should be the one ignoring things before getting her knickers in a tizzy.
The problem against Schumacher was he wasn't given any credit for beating him or even matching him with Schumacher being an old man, he will against Hamilton if he achieves similarmoby wrote:I feel sorry for Nico. It has always been 'what do you think of Schui.....' Now its going to be 'What do you think Lewis....'
Laura23 wrote:Or you could try and stop bringing topics off topic with silly arguments we all heard a million times last year.Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: And you found it impossible to ignore it?
Whats the point of going on to a forum to ignore things?
Maybe Laura should be the one ignoring things before getting her knickers in a tizzy.
I'm really not surprised the forum is seeing a dip in quality once again. Bring on the first race please...
Maybe because they get done to death on a daily basis and do nothing to promote the community? But I guess if it makes you fell better. How tall are you by the way?Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: And you found it impossible to ignore it?
Whats the point of going on to a forum to ignore things?
Maybe Laura should be the one ignoring things before getting her knickers in a tizzy.
So what you are saying is you are not allowed to bring facts and rationale to someones attention.PzR Slim wrote:Maybe because they get done to death on a daily basis and do nothing to promote the community? But I guess if it makes you fell better. How tall are you by the way?Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: And you found it impossible to ignore it?
Whats the point of going on to a forum to ignore things?
Maybe Laura should be the one ignoring things before getting her knickers in a tizzy.
I'm sure even you are not stupid enough to realise it takes more than one person for an argument to ensue. Don't respond, no argument, simples. I double dare you.Johnston wrote:Laura23 wrote:Or you could try and stop bringing topics off topic with silly arguments we all heard a million times last year.Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: And you found it impossible to ignore it?
Whats the point of going on to a forum to ignore things?
Maybe Laura should be the one ignoring things before getting her knickers in a tizzy.
I'm really not surprised the forum is seeing a dip in quality once again. Bring on the first race please...
Again.
I WASN'T THE ONE THAT BROUGHT BUTTON INTO IT.
PzR Slim wrote: I'm sure even you are not stupid enough to realise it takes more than one person for an argument to ensue. Don't respond, no argument, simples. I double dare you.
What I'm saying is, why argue the same points over and over again, why bring the same facts and rationale to a group of people who are not prepared to listen to your version of the 'truth', just as you are not prepared to listen to their version of the 'truth'. It's a discussion that has been done to death with, from what I can see, not one single person from either side giving an inch. Seems to me to be an exercise in futility and stupidity.Johnston wrote:So what you are saying is you are not allowed to bring facts and rationale to someones attention.PzR Slim wrote:Maybe because they get done to death on a daily basis and do nothing to promote the community? But I guess if it makes you fell better. How tall are you by the way?Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: And you found it impossible to ignore it?
Whats the point of going on to a forum to ignore things?
Maybe Laura should be the one ignoring things before getting her knickers in a tizzy.
Besides that. you and Laura have derailed the thread more than anyone
Or PLANET-BUTTON, PLANET-VETTEL, PLANET-ALONSO, etc. Every driver has got them. You just choose to only see one drivers and latch onto them at every oppurtunityJohnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: I'm sure even you are not stupid enough to realise it takes more than one person for an argument to ensue. Don't respond, no argument, simples. I double dare you.
so whats the point in having a forum?
Might as well close the doors now and all worship at the Alter of Lewdog.
Or rename the Forum
PLANET-LEWIS. And perpetuate the myth like all good religions.
PzR Slim wrote: What I'm saying is, why argue the same points over and over again, why bring the same facts and rationale to a group of people who are not prepared to listen to your version of the 'truth', just as you are not prepared to listen to their version of the 'truth'. It's a discussion that has been done to death with, from what I can see, not one single person from either side giving an inch. Seems to me to be an exercise in futility and stupidity.
This.PzR Slim wrote:Or PLANET-BUTTON, PLANET-VETTEL, PLANET-ALONSO, etc. Every driver has got them. You just choose to only see one drivers and latch onto them at every oppurtunityJohnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: I'm sure even you are not stupid enough to realise it takes more than one person for an argument to ensue. Don't respond, no argument, simples. I double dare you.
so whats the point in having a forum?
Might as well close the doors now and all worship at the Alter of Lewdog.
Or rename the Forum
PLANET-LEWIS. And perpetuate the myth like all good religions.
Once again, what exactly is the point of pointing out anything to a group of people who are in no way interested in listening to you. You might as well save your keyboard turn round and repeatedly bash your head against a brick wall. All it does is turn the forum into the maelstrom of ducks it usually is. I haven't posted in months. I come back and the same people are arguing the exact same fairy cakes. It's pure comedy gold. You just make your self look like a numpty even though I have repeatedly said I think you are one of the people round here you can actually have a decent discussion with.Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: What I'm saying is, why argue the same points over and over again, why bring the same facts and rationale to a group of people who are not prepared to listen to your version of the 'truth', just as you are not prepared to listen to their version of the 'truth'. It's a discussion that has been done to death with, from what I can see, not one single person from either side giving an inch. Seems to me to be an exercise in futility and stupidity.
all I pointed out was that 2012 wasn't a fair reflection for a number of reasons. Lewis got screwed by the reliability and Button got screwed because they didn't understand the tyres.
Is there anything wrong with that ?
Only for some reason on here it's only okay to say one lost points due to the team. But sure lets ignore reality and continue to live life in a biased way ignoring what doesn't fit some "Fans"
PzR Slim wrote: Once again, what exactly is the point of pointing out anything to a group of people who are in no way interested in listening to you. You might as well save your keyboard turn round and repeatedly bash your head against a brick wall. All it does is turn the forum into the maelstrom of ducks it usually is. I haven't posted in months. I come back and the same people are arguing the exact same fairy cakes. It's pure comedy gold. You just make your self look like a numpty even though I have repeatedly said I think you are one of the people round here you can actually have a decent discussion with.
moby wrote:I feel sorry for Nico. It has always been 'what do you think of Schui.....' Now its going to be 'What do you think Lewis....'
Agreed - although to be fair, Schuey was hardly showing his best was he? I am really hoping that Nico gets pushed hard by Lewis within a race or two, on the assumption that as the new boy LH takes a while to get to grips with the car (unlikely IMO, but you never know). In some ways, I don't want Lewis to take the lead immediately because I like Rosberg and don't want him to feel like a No 2 so early on! For Merc to improve and gain respect they have to have consistent closely paired finishes (1-2's but not necessarily on the top and middle steps - but in race finishes).pokerman wrote:The problem against Schumacher was he wasn't given any credit for beating him or even matching him with Schumacher being an old man, he will against Hamilton if he achieves similarmoby wrote:I feel sorry for Nico. It has always been 'what do you think of Schui.....' Now its going to be 'What do you think Lewis....'
How about not commenting on it until you heard the interview?SilverstoneRegular wrote:So because I haven't heard it in supposed to jump straight to it being in a positive light?!jeshannon wrote:You haven't heard the interview ... "BUT IF IT WAS" these 2 lines plus your posting history on anything with the name Hamilton say more about your character then anyone Else's.SilverstoneRegular wrote:I've not heard the interview so don't know what context to put the comment but if it was a remark aiming to show how special he is I'd just like to say can we all have a look for Lewis's lost humility? Check down the back of your sofa, behind your fridge and anywhere else you can think because he'd be a whole lot easier to like if he got some!
Please Mods can we have some warnings for folks in here, this new influx of Jenson fans plus the Hamilton fans and there constant bickering in most threads are ruining these once great forums and is a reason I hardly post anymore.
I don't think Lewis speed will be any disadvantage. He can reel himself in very wellATM2 wrote:True, this is what Brawn should be focused into achieving too.
On the other hand, seeing Hammy's natural speed AND the fact that Mercedes were really rough on the tires last couple of years, his sheer speed might just play a little in his disadvantage...of course, depending on what the tech team manages to pull out of the hat for this year's car.
Your point about Lewis not being at a disadvantage I agree with. Top drivers don't take long to get to grips (ha-ha PIrelli) with a new car/team/circuit. You should patent the 'tyre whisperer' description; it is really funny.Haribo wrote:I don't think Lewis speed will be any disadvantage. He can reel himself in very wellATM2 wrote:True, this is what Brawn should be focused into achieving too.
On the other hand, seeing Hammy's natural speed AND the fact that Mercedes were really rough on the tires last couple of years, his sheer speed might just play a little in his disadvantage...of course, depending on what the tech team manages to pull out of the hat for this year's car.
Last season he was the only driver who was able to do a 1 stopper at Barcelona, and got more km ou of eat set of tyres used than his ex- team mate who was said to be a tyre whisperer.
Glad this bickering has been addressed by the mods. been a long weekend for me and have not had a chance to sit behind a computer until now and I come in here and see this. :facepalm:Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: I'm sure even you are not stupid enough to realise it takes more than one person for an argument to ensue. Don't respond, no argument, simples. I double dare you.
so whats the point in having a forum?
Might as well close the doors now and all worship at the Alter of Lewdog.
Or rename the Forum
PLANET-LEWIS. And perpetuate the myth like all good religions.
POBRatings wrote:Your point about Lewis not being at a disadvantage I agree with. Top drivers don't take long to get to grips (ha-ha PIrelli) with a new car/team/circuit. You should patent the 'tyre whisperer' description; it is really funny.Haribo wrote:I don't think Lewis speed will be any disadvantage. He can reel himself in very wellATM2 wrote:True, this is what Brawn should be focused into achieving too.
On the other hand, seeing Hammy's natural speed AND the fact that Mercedes were really rough on the tires last couple of years, his sheer speed might just play a little in his disadvantage...of course, depending on what the tech team manages to pull out of the hat for this year's car.
Last season he was the only driver who was able to do a 1 stopper at Barcelona, and got more km ou of eat set of tyres used than his ex- team mate who was said to be a tyre whisperer.
here here!the incubus wrote:Glad this bickering has been addressed by the mods. been a long weekend for me and have not had a chance to sit behind a computer until now and I come in here and see this. :facepalm:Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: I'm sure even you are not stupid enough to realise it takes more than one person for an argument to ensue. Don't respond, no argument, simples. I double dare you.
so whats the point in having a forum?
Might as well close the doors now and all worship at the Alter of Lewdog.
Or rename the Forum
PLANET-LEWIS. And perpetuate the myth like all good religions.
As for that last bit, you guys need to get your heads on straight. If the discussion is about Hamilton the site is referred to as Planet Lewis, if the subject matter is Vettel it's wonder kid with the annoying finger, if it's about Alonso someone has to bring in Alonslow, if it's Michael it's old man this. cheater that, etc., etc., etc.…
Can't there ever be a civil MATURE discussion in here where people state their opinion and follow it up with a good bit as to why they feel that way without resorting to bickering or insults? Geez Louise already, we all come in here because WE ALL SHARE A COMMON PASSION which is Formula 1 and all that goes with it. Let's be thankful we've found a place where we can all come together and DISCUSS OUR MOST BELOVED SPORT with many others who share that same passion, where we can express ourselves without getting that look of boredom and disinterest and learn from one another. I for one was vacated from PF1 for a long time thanks to a former long time member (has since receive a permanent IP ban if I recall) provoking me and because I was so heated I didn't realize what he was doing and I ended up getting myself into trouble.
Getting back on subject, We will have to see what Lewis can do today and compare a bit, though I doubt either of them will have pushed the car or themselves as they are getting a feel for the car initially. I will have my fingers crossed that Mercedes joins the leading teams so we can have an epic battle for both titles this year.
I like Johnstons posts, they are factual and usually irrefutable head shots Pzr I've noticed tends to try and muscle into threads laying the law down about who should post what and in what manner, naturally nobody takes a blind bit of notice which in itself is amusing. Both funnythe incubus wrote:Glad this bickering has been addressed by the mods. been a long weekend for me and have not had a chance to sit behind a computer until now and I come in here and see this. :facepalm:Johnston wrote:PzR Slim wrote: I'm sure even you are not stupid enough to realise it takes more than one person for an argument to ensue. Don't respond, no argument, simples. I double dare you.
so whats the point in having a forum?
Might as well close the doors now and all worship at the Alter of Lewdog.
Or rename the Forum
PLANET-LEWIS. And perpetuate the myth like all good religions.
As for that last bit, you guys need to get your heads on straight. If the discussion is about Hamilton the site is referred to as Planet Lewis, if the subject matter is Vettel it's wonder kid with the annoying finger, if it's about Alonso someone has to bring in Alonslow, if it's Michael it's old man this. cheater that, etc., etc., etc.…
Can't there ever be a civil MATURE discussion in here where people state their opinion and follow it up with a good bit as to why they feel that way without resorting to bickering or insults? Geez Louise already, we all come in here because WE ALL SHARE A COMMON PASSION which is Formula 1 and all that goes with it. Let's be thankful we've found a place where we can all come together and DISCUSS OUR MOST BELOVED SPORT with many others who share that same passion, where we can express ourselves without getting that look of boredom and disinterest and learn from one another. I for one was vacated from PF1 for a long time thanks to a former long time member (has since receive a permanent IP ban if I recall) provoking me and because I was so heated I didn't realize what he was doing and I ended up getting myself into trouble.
Getting back on subject, We will have to see what Lewis can do today and compare a bit, though I doubt either of them will have pushed the car or themselves as they are getting a feel for the car initially. I will have my fingers crossed that Mercedes joins the leading teams so we can have an epic battle for both titles this year.
I'm still in two minds on the Merc tyre issues. They were obviously very hard on tyres on some occasions, which usually means very bad car balance. I did wonder how much this might have been due to Schuey's lack of 'modern' set up experience, but dismissed that as unlikely since Rosberg suffered too.ATM2 wrote:Good point too. But the McLaren wasn't so heavy on the tires, it was more like Button simply didn't understand them at all. Took him half of season to figure them out, I still don't understand how come did he win in Australia - and in a dominant matter too.
Whilst, Mercedes were hard on tires also in 2011, it wasn't only due to the 2012 tires they were labeled like this.
FringeUK wrote:I'm still in two minds on the Merc tyre issues. They were obviously very hard on tyres on some occasions, which usually means very bad car balance. I did wonder how much this might have been due to Schuey's lack of 'modern' set up experience, but dismissed that as unlikely since Rosberg suffered too.ATM2 wrote:Good point too. But the McLaren wasn't so heavy on the tires, it was more like Button simply didn't understand them at all. Took him half of season to figure them out, I still don't understand how come did he win in Australia - and in a dominant matter too.
Whilst, Mercedes were hard on tires also in 2011, it wasn't only due to the 2012 tires they were labeled like this.
The point that Hamilton is/was normally hard on tyres is noted, but to be fair, he turned that around quite well! It is unfortunate that this years car is more Rosberg/Schuey influenced - but hopefully if it is fairly neutral in its basic balance, maybe Hamilton can tweak it to his liking quickly? Presumably we will know in a few days time if he is happy or not. The bottom line is that unless Rosberg is much much faster than LH, Brawn and Merc will have to help LH adapt to their car, maybe even adjusting the car if seriously required. I dunno NR's pay packet, but I'll bet it's smaller than LH's - it makes no sense to employ a top driver on top wages and run the car to the 'lesser' (not literally) drivers liking? Plus Brawn and Merc need real results, or questions will be asked......
In practise, I think this will help Rosberg too - especially if he can keep on pace with Hamilton, it will certainly look good on his CV, and probs earn him some extra $$$ in wages?
(and BTW, I am not saying Rosberg isn't good, just looking at it objectively, he beat Schuey fairly easily (though Schuey has had some terrible reliability) but hasn't had the chance to really show us what he can do in that dog car - I think the LH pairing will enhance his F1 street cred massively if he matches LH!)
If by getting on with it you mean running a consistent 4th-8th, then you are dead on. I don't think Lewis will settle for that and will push the car perhaps beyond its limits if that's what it takes to uncover greater pace. I'd rather see that and have Lewis crash out or lose it as a result, than how Rosberg seems to settle for what he feels is the best result he can muster and then coast to the end. Can anyone imagine a Prost, Senna, or Mansell placing as Rosberg has the last 3 seasons and publicly saying they are proud of the results? I think they'd put the pressure on the team and then pushed the car harder than thought possible until they either crash/lose it or the car fails them.Johnston wrote:Rosberg Vs Hammy. Will in my mind comedown to three things. The car and have they fixed the problems. The new tyres and who they suit and finally how Hammys head goes if any of the former are against him. He could keep the chin up and have it focussed on 2014. However there is always the chance the chin can go down where as Nico for the last three years has shown through thick and thin he gets on with it.
It'll be fun no matter how it goes.
the incubus wrote:Hamilton was not only New to McLaren and the atmosphere, not to mention F1 as a whole and he did just fine challenging his 2-time Defending Champion Teammate in Alonso. Rosberg's greatest achievement in his entire F1 career thus far is beating the greatest ever in a sub par car and at least in the last season together, some bad luck for Michael came into play. I think Hamilton's days of trying just that bit too hard are now for the most part over and we should see him find the utmost pace of the car rather quickly and once he learns its characteristics I think he has the superior talent to outclass Rosberg. Rosberg has shown to be quick but he lacks the tenacious aggressiveness the elites tend to exude. It's something that usually comes from within and it is rarely learned, though some develop the killer instinct after a performance or string of them that raises their level of confidence just that much more and it changes something in a driver. Perhaps that moment is yet still there for Rosberg so who knows, but I fully expect Hamilton to beat Rosberg this season.
FringeUK wrote:LH was certainly not 'green' or 'wet behind the ears' in terms of his start at Macca in F1! Nevertheless, he did perform and certainly achieved more than was expected of him as a rookie!.
Rosberg doesn't seem to have the same level of 'push' - if I can call it that - but like I said earlier, I think with a stronger teammate, he may find it helps him find that 'push' from within himself - and he could gain a lot from LH in the team? (certainly a darn sight more than he gained from schuey!)
of course, this is all gassing cos we have nothing better to discuss until the cars take to the track in anger!
the incubus wrote:Hamilton was not only New to McLaren and the atmosphere, not to mention F1 as a whole and he did just fine challenging his 2-time Defending Champion Teammate in Alonso. Rosberg's greatest achievement in his entire F1 career thus far is beating the greatest ever in a sub par car and at least in the last season together, some bad luck for Michael came into play. I think Hamilton's days of trying just that bit too hard are now for the most part over and we should see him find the utmost pace of the car rather quickly and once he learns its characteristics I think he has the superior talent to outclass Rosberg. Rosberg has shown to be quick but he lacks the tenacious aggressiveness the elites tend to exude. It's something that usually comes from within and it is rarely learned, though some develop the killer instinct after a performance or string of them that raises their level of confidence just that much more and it changes something in a driver. Perhaps that moment is yet still there for Rosberg so who knows, but I fully expect Hamilton to beat Rosberg this season.