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Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:05 am
by Covalent
mcdo wrote:Punching above their weight once again and proving that last year wasn't a once off. Pound for pound the best performing team on the grid
Bit off topic but I've only even considered the pound for pound expression as something you use when comparing different weight classes in fighting sports (pound=weight), but it actually works well also in this context (pound=money).

Now that I think of it what's the rationale of having the same unit for both weight and currency? :lol:

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:07 am
by Black_Flag_11
Covalent wrote:
mcdo wrote:Punching above their weight once again and proving that last year wasn't a once off. Pound for pound the best performing team on the grid
Bit off topic but I've only even considered the pound for pound expression as something you use when comparing different weight classes in fighting sports (pound=weight), but it actually works well also in this context (pound=money).

Now that I think of it what's the rationale of having the same unit for both weight and currency? :lol:
Quick rip from Wikipedia:
The term originated in the Frankish Empire as a result of Charlemagne's currency reform ("pound" from Latin pondus, a unity of weight) and was subsequently taken to Great Britain as the value of a pound (weight) of silver.

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:35 pm
by Covalent
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
mcdo wrote:Punching above their weight once again and proving that last year wasn't a once off. Pound for pound the best performing team on the grid
Bit off topic but I've only even considered the pound for pound expression as something you use when comparing different weight classes in fighting sports (pound=weight), but it actually works well also in this context (pound=money).

Now that I think of it what's the rationale of having the same unit for both weight and currency? :lol:
Quick rip from Wikipedia:
The term originated in the Frankish Empire as a result of Charlemagne's currency reform ("pound" from Latin pondus, a unity of weight) and was subsequently taken to Great Britain as the value of a pound (weight) of silver.
I SI. ;) :thumbup:

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:59 am
by UnlikeUday
Reading reports which are claiming that Force India is struggling to survive. Apparently, Liberty has given a loan to Force India. In return, it's assumed that Vijay Mallya stepped down from his role. There are also 5 potential buyers lining up to buy Force India which includes Rich Energy, Mercedes & Austrian sponsor company BWT.

https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/2391 ... dia-report

Even though the struggling part sounds alarming, I'm sure someone with heavy pockets will buy this efficient team which even a shoestring budget can make good cars!

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:13 pm
by pokerman
UnlikeUday wrote:Reading reports which are claiming that Force India is struggling to survive. Apparently, Liberty has given a loan to Force India. In return, it's assumed that Vijay Mallya stepped down from his role. There are also 5 potential buyers lining up to buy Force India which includes Rich Energy, Mercedes & Austrian sponsor company BWT.

https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/2391 ... dia-report

Even though the struggling part sounds alarming, I'm sure someone with heavy pockets will buy this efficient team which even a shoestring budget can make good cars!
I heard that Michael Andretti was also sniffing around the team in Canada.

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:04 pm
by UnlikeUday
pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:Reading reports which are claiming that Force India is struggling to survive. Apparently, Liberty has given a loan to Force India. In return, it's assumed that Vijay Mallya stepped down from his role. There are also 5 potential buyers lining up to buy Force India which includes Rich Energy, Mercedes & Austrian sponsor company BWT.

https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/2391 ... dia-report

Even though the struggling part sounds alarming, I'm sure someone with heavy pockets will buy this efficient team which even a shoestring budget can make good cars!
I heard that Michael Andretti was also sniffing around the team in Canada.
Yeah. Damn sure this team won't be called Force India next year as I'm close to being sure it's going to be bought. This team is a dream team to own. A better budget will surely produce a great car from the talented bunch at Silverstone.

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:16 am
by Steam Coat Hun
If Andretti buys it, I’ll have a new favourite team. Love that guy

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:30 am
by UnlikeUday
bradtheboywonder wrote:If Andretti buys it, I’ll have a new favourite team. Love that guy
This team has proven to get success with a limited budget. A new owner would invest more finance into the team & the skilled guys at Silverstone would deliver a far greater car. Apart from Andretti, BWT & Mercedes are potential buyers.

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:17 pm
by pc27b
stinks to see force india struggle.
andretti motorsports were nearly broke a few years ago. hope he has some big sponsors lined up. i also wonder who would be the pu supplier, since honda is heavily invested in his indy car team

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:54 am
by UnlikeUday
The Austrian Grand Prix marks the 200th race for this team. I doubt this year they'll be able to beat Renault for 4th. I hope someone arrives in a shining armor & buys this team. This team is too good to go down to the gallows. Hope Mercedes makes this their B-Team.

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:26 am
by Mort Canard
Is there anyone out there who is lamenting the fall from grace of the Force India Team???
Two races in and Stroll has scorred 2 points and Checo has scored 1 point. In 2018 they scored 111 points for the season between the two groups of owners. (59+52)

Doesn't look like they will get anywhere near that this year.

Edited as I got the point totals backward.

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:36 am
by Altair
Stroll has two points.

Re: The Official Force India F1 Team Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:28 am
by UnlikeUday
Mort Canard wrote:Is there anyone out there who is lamenting the fall from grace of the Force India Team???
Two races in and Checo has scorred 2 points and Stroll has scored 1 point. In 2018 they scored 111 points for the season between the two groups of owners. (59+52)

Doesn't look like they will get anywhere near that this year.
It was expected they would struggle in the first few races. As per their development plan, they're getting their B-Spec car in Spain.

This year it will be a pain as Ferrari engines are on par with Mercedes, if not better. RP have a massive competition in Haas, Renault, Alfa Romeo, McLaren & Toro Rosso as well. RP is the worst team from these when it comes to mechanical grip as they're the slowest when it comes to technical sectors.

Re: Official Racing Point F1 Thread (formerly Force India)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:21 am
by Mod Aqua
Thread renamed to Racing Point, but as it's effectively the same team, just a different name, it makes sense to continue the same thread to discuss it.

Re: Official Racing Point F1 Thread (formerly Force India)

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:39 pm
by UnlikeUday
Racing Point will start using Mercedes' wind tunnel in preparation for their 2020 car. It's being speculated if Racing Point would become Mercedes' B-team.
https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/08/rac ... nd-tunnel/

Re: Official Aston Martin F1 Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 11:24 am
by DOLOMITE
from a Pink Mercedes to a Green Bull? Has Stroll Snr been telling his designers to get the tracing paper out again?

Re: Official Aston Martin F1 Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 3:19 pm
by Strider
DOLOMITE wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 11:24 am
from a Pink Mercedes to a Green Bull? Has Stroll Snr been telling his designers to get the tracing paper out again?
We finally got our wish to see Vettel in a Red Bull again :nod:

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 9:45 pm
by Mod Indigo
Thread renamed again, but it is still effectively the same team, so the thread will continue.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:11 pm
by DOLOMITE
Mod Indigo wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 9:45 pm
Thread renamed again, but it is still effectively the same team, so the thread will continue.
:thumbup:

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2022 8:51 am
by Strider
The performance was disappointing. When I first saw the car and Dan Fallows involvement I expected them to easily be in the top 5 perhaps even challenging the mercs. Maybe they will get there with fine tuning but so far I am not impressed by the new design even if it is a bit too early to tell.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:24 am
by DOLOMITE
So the obvious question then - who will replace Vettel?... They don't have a junior driver programme so outside of Hulkenberg and Jess Hawkins I don't know what links any dtivers have, if any.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:29 am
by JN23
DOLOMITE wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:24 am
So the obvious question then - who will replace Vettel?... They don't have a junior driver programme so outside of Hulkenberg and Jess Hawkins I don't know what links any dtivers have, if any.
My thoughts are with Pierre Gasly now who has already committed to Alpha Tauri for next year.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:34 am
by Vicky_balboa
De Vries, Merc junior?

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:50 am
by Schermerhorn
It would be nice to see Hulkenberg in F1 again but how long does he have left? He is in his mid 30s and does he even have a chance of any decent finishes in that car?

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:03 pm
by DOLOMITE
Schermerhorn wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:50 am
It would be nice to see Hulkenberg in F1 again but how long does he have left? He is in his mid 30s and does he even have a chance of any decent finishes in that car?
Normally I'd say, much as I like Hulk I don't see the logic in replacing Vettel with him. BUT with extra dynamic having the boss's son in the other car makes, it possibly makes sense for a year maybe while they look to lure a bigger name for 2024+

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:24 pm
by Paolo_Lasardi
Well, the question is what Stroll Snr is looking for:
- another big name driver as a teacher for his son,
- the best available talent,
- someone that Stroll Jnr can easily beat,
- else?

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:48 pm
by Harpo
Only 2 drivers make sense, Aston Millar and Matt Martin...

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:59 pm
by DOLOMITE
Names In the Frame then...

de Vries
Drugovich
Hulkenberg
Piastri
Sargeant


"proper" Poll please Mods? I do love a good Poll...

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:11 pm
by JN23
DOLOMITE wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:59 pm
Names In the Frame then...

de Vries
Drugovich
Hulkenberg
Piastri
Sargeant


"proper" Poll please Mods? I do love a good Poll...
I also think Ricciardo and Alonso will be linked to the seat at some point. Possibly Albon too.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:37 pm
by DOLOMITE
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:11 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:59 pm
Names In the Frame then...

de Vries
Drugovich
Hulkenberg
Piastri
Sargeant


"proper" Poll please Mods? I do love a good Poll...
I also think Ricciardo and Alonso will be linked to the seat at some point. Possibly Albon too.
Maybe but I think Albon is happy where he is - can't see him as a good for with someone like Stroll Snr..
Ricciardo , well who knows but it seems he;s staying where he is for this year and next.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:05 pm
by Schermerhorn
Ricciardo will have to take a significant paycut if he joins Aston Martin

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:25 pm
by Exediron
Schermerhorn wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:05 pm
Ricciardo will have to take a significant paycut if he joins Aston Martin
That's true no matter where he goes next. After 2021-2022, there's no shot he's getting $10m+ per year at his next team. His position in the market has changed enormously since 2019.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:43 pm
by Hatutu
I'd put my money on Danny Ric. Lance can learn from him and even beat him on a good day. That's what Strulovich Sr would want

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:51 pm
by pokerman
I think the top target will be Alonso and if he's not interested then they will approach Ricciardo, I will post this here as well.

Going forward who is going to replace him, it has to be an experienced high profile driver and top of the list has to be Alonso who will be out of contract but would Alonso really want to leave Alpine who presently are the 4th best team in F1, that would seem a backward step for Alonso who really doesn't have the time for any new projects, maybe a huge chunk of money might persuade him.

Other than that I only see Ricciardo, an experienced multi GP winner, Ricciardo still has 1 year left on his contract but what for Ricciardo after that, if Aston Martin offered him a multi year contract with similar salary to what he's getting at McLaren I could see that being very appealing for him and he would have a chance to rebuild his reputation going against a much weaker driver than Norris.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 1:27 am
by kleefton
What an underwhelming destination this would be for an alonso or ricciardo. This team has lost its appeal. They were once known for punching above their weight but now the Strolls have completely ruined it. I hope a young driver gets the seat. Do not want to see riccardo or alonso in that seat. Would be a massive step down for them.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:02 am
by mikeyg123
pokerman wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:51 pm
I think the top target will be Alonso and if he's not interested then they will approach Ricciardo, I will post this here as well.

Going forward who is going to replace him, it has to be an experienced high profile driver and top of the list has to be Alonso who will be out of contract but would Alonso really want to leave Alpine who presently are the 4th best team in F1, that would seem a backward step for Alonso who really doesn't have the time for any new projects, maybe a huge chunk of money might persuade him.

Other than that I only see Ricciardo, an experienced multi GP winner, Ricciardo still has 1 year left on his contract but what for Ricciardo after that, if Aston Martin offered him a multi year contract with similar salary to what he's getting at McLaren I could see that being very appealing for him and he would have a chance to rebuild his reputation going against a much weaker driver than Norris.
Remember the objective for the team and remember what Alonso is famous for.

I don't see them being keen on Alonso. Ricciardo may fit the bill though. He might be tempted if an arrangement could be struck where his salary is topped up by McLaren in year 1.

I still wouldn't be shocked if it ends up being Gasly. Even though he has a contract. He's the only experienced driver in the field where his signing would make sense for both driver and team.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:37 am
by -K-
My initial thought was Alonso. Stroll Sr presumably hired a multiple WDC in order that Lance might beat him and look good, so why not replace him with another. If age starts to catch up with Alonso, Lance might be more likely to beat him. Vettel has had a few more spins than he should have done, but results wise I think he’s done a good job with the car they’ve given him. I went off Alonso recently with his antics but I did think that Alpine would want him out for 2023, and I don’t think it would be good for the grid to lose Alonso and Vettel at the same time.

I then thought just promote Hulk to the race seat - popular with the fans it would seem, and if the curse continues, Lance looks good despite having squandered a few opportunities himself.

Reading Hatutu’s post, I think Danny Ric is a good shout. He’s had a run of struggles and a bit of poor form, much the same as Vettel had had before they signed him. If Zac wants him gone, I guess they’d allow Stroll Sr to buy him out of the contract for comparatively little. Probably less than Gasly when Marko wants to keep him even though Gasly’s on a hiding to nothing in that seat.

Edit: I just read the piece on the F1 app about Vettel’s retirement and speculating who will replace him at Aston Martin. Just as I thought a little time ago, he’d like Mick to and in some ways that would make a lot of sense - Mick is of an age where he can wait for a medium to long term project to pay off. Alonso would likely have less time than Vettel, even if his heart was in staying. Suppose he would tick the box of being a name in a way that The Hulk wouldn’t, but then it would be an relatively inexperienced pairing. Hmm…

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:30 pm
by pokerman
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:02 am
pokerman wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:51 pm
I think the top target will be Alonso and if he's not interested then they will approach Ricciardo, I will post this here as well.

Going forward who is going to replace him, it has to be an experienced high profile driver and top of the list has to be Alonso who will be out of contract but would Alonso really want to leave Alpine who presently are the 4th best team in F1, that would seem a backward step for Alonso who really doesn't have the time for any new projects, maybe a huge chunk of money might persuade him.

Other than that I only see Ricciardo, an experienced multi GP winner, Ricciardo still has 1 year left on his contract but what for Ricciardo after that, if Aston Martin offered him a multi year contract with similar salary to what he's getting at McLaren I could see that being very appealing for him and he would have a chance to rebuild his reputation going against a much weaker driver than Norris.
Remember the objective for the team and remember what Alonso is famous for.

I don't see them being keen on Alonso. Ricciardo may fit the bill though. He might be tempted if an arrangement could be struck where his salary is topped up by McLaren in year 1.

I still wouldn't be shocked if it ends up being Gasly. Even though he has a contract. He's the only experienced driver in the field where his signing would make sense for both driver and team.
I don't think that Gasly meets the criteria of both experienced and successful plus he's not been great this year, he's had quite a few senseless collisions.

Re: Official Aston Martin Cognizant F1 Team Thread (formerly Racing Point)

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:51 pm
by pc27b
mazepin, didn't he just "win a race" ;)