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Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:34 pm**

Johnston wrote:So no driver is confirmed even hinted at and a German paper just happens to think Sutil is a deal done

Edit. Laura as you just said in another thread Bild have been known to make stuff up.

They do but Sutil has been heavily hinted at by several people now. That said nothing is confirmed until the first race in these cases, especially when there are rumours over the team's future.

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:39 pm**

UnlikeUday wrote:
r41 wrote:
Ferrari looking to help Bianchi

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/84 ... lp-Bianchi
Did they just name Force India's 2nd driver?
This may raise the speculation as to why Force India haven't announced their lineup officially (including Di Resta).

But Force India's deputy principal Bob Fernley had said they are looking for a driver who will deliver speed & not money!

Well, who knows?

That's what they all say, no one wants the label of a pay driver team.

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:41 pm**

VDV23 wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
r41 wrote:
Ferrari looking to help Bianchi

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/84 ... lp-Bianchi
Did they just name Force India's 2nd driver?
This may raise the speculation as to why Force India haven't announced their lineup officially (including Di Resta).

But Force India's deputy principal Bob Fernley had said they are looking for a driver who will deliver speed & not money!

Well, who knows?
That's what they all say, no one wants the label of a pay driver team.

Having Pay Drivers is rich in Force India's history though, right back to the late Jordan days. It wouldn't be anything new for them.

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:48 pm**

Sin wrote:Translated for somewhere else I put here too:

Link

it's Bild but they are writing as if it is pretty sure that Sutil will join FI again... but you can never trust Bild lemme translate anyway:

Force India: Is Di Resta suddenly a doubtful case?

While the return of Adrian Sutil to Force India is as good as certain, Paul Di Resta could loose his cockpit at a change of the team owner.

Force India is next to Caterham the only team, that still has to give away a cockpit for 2013, because so far only Paul di Resta is confirmed. For weeks now Adrian Sutil has been a hot candidate for the second seat. But after informations of 'Motorsport-Total.com' di Resta also shouldn't be 100% certain about his case.

Those responsible are maybe waiting with the announcement, because of the possible change in ownership, even if the Team is energically denying being sold to investors lead by Colin Kolles, and persons around Vijay Mallya don't think that the indian businessman will quit.
Besides of that all affected people believably assure, that the economic crisis of some Mallya-businesses has no effects on the financial stability of the Formula 1 team.

The driver pairing will be announced "Hopefully and probably before the first test.", says the vice team boss Robert Fernley towards 'Motorsport-Total.com'. It would be "very improbable", that no candidate would be evaluated at the test drives in february, but it would be a lot more "probable", that the name will be announced beforehand. The presentation on February 1st in Silverstone "will be only about presenting the VJM06", Fernley makes clear.

That di Resta will be still wearing a Force India Overall then is after informations of 'Motorsport-Total.com' in no way cut in stone. Sutil has signed his Grand Prix contract for 2013 just as the Briton, but brings, just like it has been in the past sponsor money. If it really would come to a change of ownership, Investors want to hire next to Sutil a financial lucrative paydriver and because di Resta is not bringing any considerable sponsor money, he could be kicked out despite contract.

((thats my translation tried to be as close to the text as possible and hope I didnt make too many mistakes))

Edit: here is the motorsport-total.com original text that Bild used Link

It's all getting so damn interesting now, ain't it?

Surely something is big on the cards, otherwise such a delay & so much of missing information from Force India's side is not very typical.

Who will unveil the VJM06?

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:37 pm**

Sin wrote:well the original is from motorsport-total.com I just found it first on Bild

How do you know who copied who or indeed if they are both basing their stories on the same bad source.

Laura23 wrote: They do but Sutil has been heavily hinted at by several people now. That said nothing is confirmed until the first race in these cases, especially when there are rumours over the team's future.

The Sutil Rumour has been going on since Hulk left. To me it's just snowballing as these things tend to do.

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:40 pm**

The bild has always been a bit wayward and not a website that can be taken too seriously, infact if it is such common knowledge a more respectable site would have ran it by now as it is big news, i was actually thinking its all gone very quiet on the sutil front everyone is mentioning Bianchi and even senna after is comments at massas karting event. As for di resta i would be worried that they have not confirmed him as 2013 driver yet if i were him, surely if his seat was safe there would be no reason not to.

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:53 pm**

Johnston wrote:
Sin wrote:well the original is from motorsport-total.com I just found it first on Bild

How do you know who copied who or indeed if they are both basing their stories on the same bad source.

Laura23 wrote: They do but Sutil has been heavily hinted at by several people now. That said nothing is confirmed until the first race in these cases, especially when there are rumours over the team's future.
The Sutil Rumour has been going on since Hulk left. To me it's just snowballing as these things tend to do.

All the drivers I had mentioned in the poll, were potential candidates for replacing Hulk. When this thread was created, that time the only angle was who would replace Hulk? Now it's turned more dramatic, if Force India will get a new owner or stay on the grid even?

Really wonder if Hulk saw in the crystal ball which predicted such a blinding mist on Force India's future i.e. if he got a sniff of Force India being in trouble in 2013 or was it a genuine move to Sauber, aligning his move to Ferrari in 2014?

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:02 pm**

As not one pundit said his move was over problems and many thought it was because of Ferrari I would think there has been no sniff of problems before or around the time of his switch in the paddock. If he got a sniff no doubt others would have too.

The rest is just unsubstantiated rumour.

But then again. With the recent rumours of a Sauber to Merc switch maybe the Ferrari calls were right but wrong engine manufacturer

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:17 pm**

Johnston wrote:As not one pundit said his move was over problems and many thought it was because of Ferrari I would think there has been no sniff of problems before or around the time of his switch in the paddock. If he got a sniff no doubt others would have too.

The rest is just unsubstantiated rumour.

But then again. With the recent rumours of a Sauber to Merc switch maybe the Ferrari calls were right but wrong engine manufacturer

Either way, Hulk must be quite relieved that he switched to Sauber.

Am sure just as Di Resta, other teams must be quite worried for Force India. No doubt Force India is a competitor, but no one would be happy as many peoples' jobs are at stake or to say the least, in the dark.

Posted: **Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:32 pm**

Johnston wrote:
Sin wrote:well the original is from motorsport-total.com I just found it first on Bild

How do you know who copied who or indeed if they are both basing their stories on the same bad source.

Laura23 wrote: They do but Sutil has been heavily hinted at by several people now. That said nothing is confirmed until the first race in these cases, especially when there are rumours over the team's future.
The Sutil Rumour has been going on since Hulk left. To me it's just snowballing as these things tend to do.

cause the text itself mentions motorsport-total.com and is the same text on both webpages

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:23 pm**

Sin wrote:
Johnston wrote:
Sin wrote:well the original is from motorsport-total.com I just found it first on Bild

How do you know who copied who or indeed if they are both basing their stories on the same bad source.

Laura23 wrote: They do but Sutil has been heavily hinted at by several people now. That said nothing is confirmed until the first race in these cases, especially when there are rumours over the team's future.
The Sutil Rumour has been going on since Hulk left. To me it's just snowballing as these things tend to do.
cause the text itself mentions motorsport-total.com and is the same text on both webpages

Now whichever driver must still be in rumours, won't be excited any more, till some thing concrete surfaces about Force India. All of these drivers, especially Di Resta, didn't want or expect to start 2013 in such a way!

Doesn't charge you up for the upcoming season, does it?

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:00 pm**

If the drivers are dealing they will know more about what is going on than we do.So if they know it's BS then it won't bother them in the slightest.

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:19 pm**

Johnston wrote:If the drivers are dealing they will know more about what is going on than we do.So if they know it's BS then it won't bother them in the slightest.

That's true. We can only speculate. Anyway, whatever decision is made regarding the line up or the future of Force India in the coming 11 (date of Force India launching the VJM06) - 15 days (start of the 1st pre season test), will again spark a good amount of disbelief (surprise or shock)!

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:39 pm**

Wonder if Glock is now in the mix too?

Posted: **Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:12 pm**

Johnston wrote:Wonder if Glock is now in the mix too?

I doubt it, BMW drivers have been welcoming him.
Smart money says he'll be at BMW's DTM - taking the seat the Alguersuari was going to have!

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:36 pm**

Now Force India has signed another partnership deal with Speedy.

Speedy is the leading provider of equipment and support services to various industries including infrastructure, industrial, construction and events.

The relationship will give Sahara Force India access to the latest range of innovative, lean, safe and sustainable equipment to help with maintenance projects at the team's Silverstone HQ. The link to the news is below:-

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/187438/1/f ... _deal.html

Either Force India is flowing in the right direction or they are bothered about these partnerships but not about finalising a driver line up, which is only getting critical as each day passes by & the testing date gets nearer. All this could be bluff (for those who believe Force India are about to sink) or this could be a more systematic approach towards getting the team aligned in a stronger mesh for the long run.

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:41 pm**

Why is it getting critical.

60 something days to the first race and a couple of weeks until the first test. No where near critical yet.

Even after the first test depending on what programs they are running it still wouldn't be critical.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:12 am**

If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:17 pm**

Amon wrote:If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?

think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:55 pm**

potter84 wrote:
Amon wrote:If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?
think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo

LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper.

HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban.
I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:01 pm**

No driver has done bodily harm to any driver on the grid using their car. They may have smashed up the other car but the driver has always escaped unharmed. Just saying.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:06 pm**

funkymonkey wrote:
potter84 wrote:
Amon wrote:If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?
think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo
LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper.
HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban.
I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

i don't know bringing the sport into disrepute? Use your imagination, surely attacking an exec from a rival team can envoke a ban if i attacked an exec from a rival firm to my employer i would imagine in or out of work get fired

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:14 pm**

funkymonkey wrote:
potter84 wrote:
Amon wrote:If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?
think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo
LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper.
HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban.
I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

stupid and careless doesn't really relate to deliberately glassing someone's face/neck, it was a callous vicious act and his excuse was worse, i tried to throw my drink on him i slipped and it cut him, Hamilton wouldn't back him in court he had commitments but sent a letter to say he didn't see the actual incident and sutil turned on Hamilton calling him a coward, why because he wouldn't cover for him.. Being an f1 driver you are a role model to kids im sure within contract there would be clauses about image portrayal and conduct of person on or off track while employed by the team

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:42 pm**

potter84 wrote:
funkymonkey wrote:
potter84 wrote:
Amon wrote:If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?
think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo
LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper.
HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban.
I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.
stupid and careless doesn't really relate to deliberately glassing someone's face/neck, it was a callous vicious act and his excuse was worse, i tried to throw my drink on him i slipped and it cut him, Hamilton wouldn't back him in court he had commitments but sent a letter to say he didn't see the actual incident and sutil turned on Hamilton calling him a coward, why because he wouldn't cover for him.. Being an f1 driver you are a role model to kids im sure within contract there would be clauses about image portrayal and conduct of person on or off track while employed by the team

All fine, still it has nothing to do about him as a driver on the grid and he didnt receive any punishment or warning from FOM, FIA or anybody else for that matter. And role model for kids? Heh, we have likes of Kimi and Maldonado on the grid. One gets drunk and falls of his own boat in public view while partying with glass of alcohol in hand and other Maldonado has done lot worse by actually physically harming marshal by his careless driving in past. Then we had drivers who deliberately pushed others out of track and even ran into them on purpose and ironically we have seen Trulli go off on Sutil on live TV after their crash.
F1 drivers have never been role model for kids. Inspiration, sure, but not role model. Or you wouldnt have seen them parading with their arms around hot chicks in bikinies in 90s and early 2000s

I dont think that incident will harm his chances of coming back in F1. That was bad thing, but F1 has short memories. YOu are hot and cold from one season to another here. And F1 and morals have never gone hand in hand in long long time.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:44 pm**

Can they not revoke his Super Licence?

I always thought there were clauses in there that let them do that for bad behaviour.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:45 pm**

Johnston wrote:Can they not revoke his Super Licence?

I always thought there were clauses in there that let them do that for bad behaviour.

Not really or he wouldnt have raced that year.
The clause if about bringing sport into dispute. Nothing else. Nobody blamed F1 for what happened, and it all happened outside. So he didnt bring sport into dispute.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:49 pm**

funkymonkey wrote:
potter84 wrote:
Amon wrote:If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?
think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo
LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper.
HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban.
I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.

Gachot lost his Jordan seat after he went to jail for that cab driver incident. Nothing to do with on track behaviour, but still Jordan refused his seat. He went to Larousse afterwards

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:49 pm**

Yes but the Court case wasn't until after the season ended . So innocent until proven guilty etc etc.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:55 pm**

Yes kimi did and to be honest wasn't his finest hour, but getting drunk and falling off your boat isn't deliberately glassing another human being, as for Maldonado he was very nearly banned for life from competing in Monaco i get the feeling some money may have changed hands because they seemed pretty set on the ban at the time.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:42 pm**

SchumieRules wrote:
funkymonkey wrote:
potter84 wrote:
Amon wrote:If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?
think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo
LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper.
HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban.
I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.
Gachot lost his Jordan seat after he went to jail for that cab driver incident. Nothing to do with on track behaviour, but still Jordan refused his seat. He went to Larousse afterwards

And that is what I am talking about. He was not banned. Why do you really think Sutil lost his FI seat. That incident did play the role. But in F1 time, that is ancient history, time has changed and there is probable opening for him again. And I wont exactly be surprised if he comes back.

The whole notion of guilty for life for something like this has no place in real life, and definitely not in F1. Even court felt he deserved suspended sentence, who are we to judge him rotten for life?

Posted: **Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:03 am**

funkymonkey wrote:
SchumieRules wrote:
funkymonkey wrote:
potter84 wrote:
Amon wrote:If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?
think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo
LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper.
HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban.
I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.
Gachot lost his Jordan seat after he went to jail for that cab driver incident. Nothing to do with on track behaviour, but still Jordan refused his seat. He went to Larousse afterwards
And that is what I am talking about. He was not banned. Why do you really think Sutil lost his FI seat. That incident did play the role. But in F1 time, that is ancient history, time has changed and there is probable opening for him again. And I wont exactly be surprised if he comes back.

The whole notion of guilty for life for something like this has no place in real life, and definitely not in F1. Even court felt he deserved suspended sentence, who are we to judge him rotten for life?

I didn't say he was banned, just that he lost his seat. Which means that maybe the team wanted to distance themselves with someone that had a black mark on his CV. Who knows?

I agree with the rest of your post, they should serve their time and that's it. I believe in second chances

Posted: **Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:51 pm**

funkymonkey wrote:
SchumieRules wrote:
funkymonkey wrote:
potter84 wrote:
Amon wrote:If Sutil brings sponsorship, I would find that quite odd. Who still likes to sponsor that guy after the glassing incident?
think capri sun still do lol.. They come in packets not glasses so its no danger to them.. I agree though i don't think he should be allowed near the grid he could have killed lutz, he was always hot headed regardless of talent he should be banned Imo
LOL why would he be banned for something that did not happen on the track? Nobody (FIA or FOM ) can legally ban him from racing in F1 due to that. Only some nations can deny him entry as per their law / policies. And there are far worse people on the grid if you want to talk about on track and off track temper.
HE is no saint, but I dont see how anyone can relate his stupid, careless and dangerous behavior outside to on track ban.
I mean we have people who have actually done bodily harm to a person using a race car on the grid.
Gachot lost his Jordan seat after he went to jail for that cab driver incident. Nothing to do with on track behaviour, but still Jordan refused his seat. He went to Larousse afterwards
And that is what I am talking about. He was not banned. Why do you really think Sutil lost his FI seat. That incident did play the role. But in F1 time, that is ancient history, time has changed and there is probable opening for him again. And I wont exactly be surprised if he comes back.

The whole notion of guilty for life for something like this has no place in real life, and definitely not in F1. Even court felt he deserved suspended sentence, who are we to judge him rotten for life?

The main reason for Sutil not retaining his seat was that if he would've been on the 2012 grid, at times he would have had to skip the race weekend due to being present at a court for a hearing. Mainly, if he had to be at some place on a Monday for a court case hearing and the race would in Australia or China on Sunday, which was a day just before the hearing, he would not be able to make it for the hearing on time and that would jeopardize the case even more.

PR also had to do with his ousting to some extent.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:01 pm**

Laura23 wrote:
Johnston wrote:So no driver is confirmed even hinted at and a German paper just happens to think Sutil is a deal done

Edit. Laura as you just said in another thread Bild have been known to make stuff up.
They do but Sutil has been heavily hinted at by several people now. That said nothing is confirmed until the first race in these cases, especially when there are rumours over the team's future.

Just under a week till we finally know who will race the Force India cars. Just read the tweet that they tested the VJM06's engine & fired it up without a glitch.

The car seems to be on the right path & up and started but hope they are real close in finalising the drivers!

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:05 pm**

And Sutil is now rumoured to be talking to the potential HRT buyers.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:36 pm**

A few days, and we'll finally know.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:53 pm**

Paul is officially confirmed.
http://www.forceindiaf1.com/paul-di-resta

Who is gonna pair him?

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:41 pm**

Force India to announce the second driver "before Barcellona".
So, the second driver will miss the first test.
Ridicoulous.

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:55 pm**

shift wrote:Force India to announce the second driver "before Barcellona".
So, the second driver will miss the first test.
Ridicoulous.

How so? Alonso is missing the first test too so it's no biggie.

Unless they are announcing it after the Barca GP then it is ridiculous

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:55 pm**

shift wrote:Force India to announce the second driver "before Barcellona".
So, the second driver will miss the first test.
Ridicoulous.

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they meant the second driver was missing the first four races

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:37 pm**

shift wrote:Force India to announce the second driver "before Barcellona".
So, the second driver will miss the first test.
Ridicoulous.

It's ridiculous from the viewpoint that there would be no 2nd driver taking part in the testing. Would Di Resta test the car on all the 4 days?

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