Re: Official Valtteri Bottas Thread
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:19 am
And the best bit... the driver:mcdo wrote:Valtteri Bottas got married earlier today
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-2000001258305.html
Black_Flag_11 wrote:And the best bit... the driver:mcdo wrote:Valtteri Bottas got married earlier today
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-2000001258305.html
Source: article in quote above.
How awesome would that be
It is certainly different seeing this sort of video. Don't usually see them in such a relaxed environment.Invade wrote:We don't get a whole lot of traffic in this thread, so I'll just plonk this nice little message from Valtteri, Lewis and Toto here...
LOL I just checked - it's been more than 3 years.
Perhaps driver threads could be used a bit more often. After all, there's plenty of news to discuss and debate for all the drivers in F1.
TheGiantHogweed wrote:It is certainly different seeing this sort of video. Don't usually see them in such a relaxed environment.Invade wrote:We don't get a whole lot of traffic in this thread, so I'll just plonk this nice little message from Valtteri, Lewis and Toto here...
LOL I just checked - it's been more than 3 years.
Perhaps driver threads could be used a bit more often. After all, there's plenty of news to discuss and debate for all the drivers in F1.
I don't know so many people who film on phones do it in portrait though. For this video, they may as well have had the camera still and landscape and then we could have seen them all the whole time.
More to do with Bottas though. It is pretty good that he's managed to be 2nd in the championship in a more challenging season than the 2014 - 2016 era. Mercedes has got the best result they could have hoped for a change. Bottas really hasn't seemed to go downhill since the summer break. As somebody mentioned in another thread, Hamilton has only scored 2 more points than him since Belgium. That is a third of the season gone by since then. A pretty impressive run.
People don't need to worry that I am going to expect him to beat Hamilton, I doubt that will happen. But I do think he has improved this year. He may have made big mistakes in Germany and other weekends too, but he seems to have been off the pace a lot less often, so if he manages to work on this more, I think he will be able to be closer. And who knows, if he stays at Mercedes for some time yet, Hamilton might not be at his best any more which could give him bigger opportunities. But then i expect other teams to be catching and maybe beating them some time.
Don't know what others think, but if Bottas again performs at a similar level next year or better, I can see them retaining him again, and possibly for more than just 1 season. Hamilton and Bottas as a team just seems to work so well, and they have both made a very strong team this year. You notice the respect between them on and off track. If they fight (not often but more so this year), it is kept very clean. This was not the case with Rosberg and Hamilton. Though i can see some thinking Rosberg still would have an edge on Bottas, i think that as a driver line up, with Bottas the way he has been this year, it is a stronger team than it was back then. Hamilton and Rosberg not getting on sometimes resulted badly (Spain 2016 as an example).
I would quite easily Mercedes has been the best driver line up in what most of the time has been the strongest team this year. So I see little need to change it unless things turn for the worse next year and it is heavily down to Bottas not being good enough. I expected Leclerc to be a bit better than he has been and especially Vettel. Ferrari both as a car and a driver line up have had a lot of signs of weaknesses this year.
Well done Vale!TheGiantHogweed wrote:Maybe something else to keep this thread active. This is what Bottas has been up to this weekend.
Winning the rally at Paul Ricard.
https://twitter.com/ValtteriBottas/stat ... 38/photo/1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-IfpI9 ... e=youtu.be
Hopefully another way to build his confidence for the start of next year.
Married and Divorced, all on the same page of his official threadmcdo wrote:Valtteri Bottas got married earlier today
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-2000001258305.html
yea and just 8 posts later too. a bit dead this thread.... At least one or two of us have tried to keep it existing in the past few weeks.Johnson wrote:Married and Divorced, all on the same page of his official threadmcdo wrote:Valtteri Bottas got married earlier today
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-2000001258305.html
I got misinformed I was lead to believe next year would be Bottas 2.77, half man, half cyborg.TheGiantHogweed wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=250C66ZHhdI&t=13s
May as well post this here. This may not help Bottas this year! Will get in the way!
DOLOMITE wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:23 pmI think it's time to face the facts. Short of Hamilton hanging up his helmet, Bottas won't win a WDC. The post race interview after Mugello Bottas seemed a beaten man. What are you going to have to do to beat Lewis? He had no answer - in every sense. He was strong in Qualy, but Hamilton, unbelievably has raised his game there. So whatever Bottas Version emerges in 21 I just don't see it.
Anyone genuinely believe otherwise?
Hamilton was faster in Q2 and the first run in Q3, he also was faster in the race, the prizes don't get handed out in practice.Zazu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:59 pmDOLOMITE wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:23 pmI think it's time to face the facts. Short of Hamilton hanging up his helmet, Bottas won't win a WDC. The post race interview after Mugello Bottas seemed a beaten man. What are you going to have to do to beat Lewis? He had no answer - in every sense. He was strong in Qualy, but Hamilton, unbelievably has raised his game there. So whatever Bottas Version emerges in 21 I just don't see it.
Anyone genuinely believe otherwise?
Not sure how you acted him to behave post race. He was faster than Hamilton all weekend then Ocon overtook him on the outlap in Q3 before proceeding to bring out yellow flags stopping him having a second run. He then got a good start overtaking Hamilton, maintained it after a safety car start only for the red flags to come out and force another standing start.
In qualifying there has been very little between them bar the odd race. His starts have been dreadful and its like the Rosberg era where whichever Mercedes leads after the first lap is going to win unless theres a problem like Silverstone race 2 with the tyres (where he was leading)
He's clearly not going to win the title and I dont think he is a top calibre driver like Hamilton or Verstappen but he never seems to get the rub of the green.
He was a really minuscule amount faster in both Q2 and Q3, and if that had held true in the race I would have agreed Bottas was robbed by circumstance. But when Hamilton wanted to open a gap to Bottas he did it with frightening ease; his race pace is on a whole different level to Bottas, and that -- not outright speed -- is why Bottas will never beat him over a season.
Who else on the grid (or in recent-ish F1 history) has Hamilton beat on race pace?Exediron wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:28 pmHe was a really minuscule amount faster in both Q2 and Q3, and if that had held true in the race I would have agreed Bottas was robbed by circumstance. But when Hamilton wanted to open a gap to Bottas he did it with frightening ease; his race pace is on a whole different level to Bottas, and that -- not outright speed -- is why Bottas will never beat him over a season.
How has he been winning if he is not beating them on race pace?Invade wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:36 pmWho else on the grid (or in recent-ish F1 history) has Hamilton beat on race pace?Exediron wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:28 pmHe was a really minuscule amount faster in both Q2 and Q3, and if that had held true in the race I would have agreed Bottas was robbed by circumstance. But when Hamilton wanted to open a gap to Bottas he did it with frightening ease; his race pace is on a whole different level to Bottas, and that -- not outright speed -- is why Bottas will never beat him over a season.
I can see how my wording can be confusing so I'll ask again:cmax wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:47 pmHow has he been winning if he is not beating them on race pace?Invade wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:36 pmWho else on the grid (or in recent-ish F1 history) has Hamilton beat on race pace?Exediron wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:28 pmHe was a really minuscule amount faster in both Q2 and Q3, and if that had held true in the race I would have agreed Bottas was robbed by circumstance. But when Hamilton wanted to open a gap to Bottas he did it with frightening ease; his race pace is on a whole different level to Bottas, and that -- not outright speed -- is why Bottas will never beat him over a season.
I think that Schumacher and Alonso at their peak had every bit of the relentless race pace that Hamilton possesses.
The thing that gets me about Bottas is that he has 8 race wins since he joined Mercedes in 2017.
Looked up Nico's stats[1], the last three he was there (2014 to 2016), and in that period he had 20 race wins. Then again clearly Hamilton has stepped up a level. One thing about Hamilton now is that he seems so confident and rather relaxed, which may be a result of Bottas not pushing him as hard as Nico? Maybe just age.
They also had a clearly dominant car in that 14-16 period. Since Bottas joined, that has not always been the case. That will skew results in Rosberg's favour.Lord Crc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:51 amLooked up Nico's stats[1], the last three he was there (2014 to 2016), and in that period he had 20 race wins. Then again clearly Hamilton has stepped up a level. One thing about Hamilton now is that he seems so confident and rather relaxed, which may be a result of Bottas not pushing him as hard as Nico? Maybe just age.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nico_Rosb ... ne_results
True lots of factors at play, just hadn't done the comparison before. As for dominant car, I'd say Mercedes has been matching the form it had in 2014-2016 in the current and last season, but I agree it was less dominant during 2017 and 2018 seasons.Herb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:15 amThey also had a clearly dominant car in that 14-16 period. Since Bottas joined, that has not always been the case. That will skew results in Rosberg's favour.
I do think Rosberg was probably better than Bottas is, but I'm not sure he is worth more than double the wins.
that's some interesting numbers, thanks. While you're at it.... How do they compare with the wins being racked up by the driver of the car in the same period (i.e Schu, Vettel, Hamilton)KingVoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:15 amThe thing that gets me about Bottas is that he has 8 race wins since he joined Mercedes in 2017.
Verstappen has won the same number of races in the same timespan... driving for Red Bull.
8 race wins in 71 races while driving for the best team is rather mediocre. If you look at some of the other traditional number 2 drivers, it's right in line with their return.
- Rubens won 9 races from 2000-2004 with Ferrari
- Webber won 9 races from 2009-2013 with Red Bull
Given that we all think Rosberg is better than Bottas and that Hamilton has improved since Rosberg left - plus that Mercedes had not been as dominant since 2016, 8 wins for Bottas in that sense isn't exactly that bad compared to 20 for Rosberg.Lord Crc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:51 amLooked up Nico's stats[1], the last three he was there (2014 to 2016), and in that period he had 20 race wins. Then again clearly Hamilton has stepped up a level. One thing about Hamilton now is that he seems so confident and rather relaxed, which may be a result of Bottas not pushing him as hard as Nico? Maybe just age.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nico_Rosb ... ne_results
Indeed but I was answering a post that said that Bottas had been quicker all weekend and would have been on pole if not for Ocon.Exediron wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:28 pmHe was a really minuscule amount faster in both Q2 and Q3, and if that had held true in the race I would have agreed Bottas was robbed by circumstance. But when Hamilton wanted to open a gap to Bottas he did it with frightening ease; his race pace is on a whole different level to Bottas, and that -- not outright speed -- is why Bottas will never beat him over a season.
Also off the top of my head Rosberg had 3 gifted wins in 2016 when Hamilton had to start from the back because of engine penalties/problems.Herb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:15 amThey also had a clearly dominant car in that 14-16 period. Since Bottas joined, that has not always been the case. That will skew results in Rosberg's favour.Lord Crc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:51 amLooked up Nico's stats[1], the last three he was there (2014 to 2016), and in that period he had 20 race wins. Then again clearly Hamilton has stepped up a level. One thing about Hamilton now is that he seems so confident and rather relaxed, which may be a result of Bottas not pushing him as hard as Nico? Maybe just age.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nico_Rosb ... ne_results
I do think Rosberg was probably better than Bottas is, but I'm not sure he is worth more than double the wins.
Not last season, Leclerc had the most poles afterall.Lord Crc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:32 amTrue lots of factors at play, just hadn't done the comparison before. As for dominant car, I'd say Mercedes has been matching the form it had in 2014-2016 in the current and last season, but I agree it was less dominant during 2017 and 2018 seasons.Herb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:15 amThey also had a clearly dominant car in that 14-16 period. Since Bottas joined, that has not always been the case. That will skew results in Rosberg's favour.
I do think Rosberg was probably better than Bottas is, but I'm not sure he is worth more than double the wins.
I've got far to poor memory to be able to argue race craft between the two, but I think Nico seems to have been better at understanding himself and analyzing what he needs to do to get better and beat Hamilon.
First of all I think that Rosberg is better than Bottas, but unfortunately for Bottas he's never had the benefit of Hamilton having mechanical unreliability, the second part is a little more unsavoury and what Rosberg was prepared to do which Bottas will not do.KingVoid wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:29 pmIn the past, Rosberg’s record against Hamilton was always discredited because Mercedes was more dominant in his days. Well now in 2020, Mercedes have matched their dominance from 2014-2016, so now Bottas is in a very similar position to what Rosberg was then. The excuses for Bottas are running out.
Anyway, the difference between Bottas and Rosberg was that Rosberg would capitalize on Hamilton having any misfortune or making a mistake, while Bottas does not. Take the 2020 Italian GP for instance. I can guarantee you that Rosberg wins that instead of finishing 5th like Bottas.
I don’t believe that Hamilton improved since Rosberg left. Generally speaking drivers don’t improve after the age of 32. The more likely explanation is that Bottas is not as good as Rosberg which in turn makes Hamilton look better.TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:35 amGiven that we all think Rosberg is better than Bottas and that Hamilton has improved since Rosberg left - plus that Mercedes had not been as dominant since 2016, 8 wins for Bottas in that sense isn't exactly that bad compared to 20 for Rosberg.Lord Crc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:51 amLooked up Nico's stats[1], the last three he was there (2014 to 2016), and in that period he had 20 race wins. Then again clearly Hamilton has stepped up a level. One thing about Hamilton now is that he seems so confident and rather relaxed, which may be a result of Bottas not pushing him as hard as Nico? Maybe just age.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nico_Rosb ... ne_results
I think it is, and the only reason why one might think not is because Verstappen is so much better than Bottas that he is able to beat him regularly even despite a clear car disadvantage.F1_Ernie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:41 pmRosberg and Bottas drove different cars, still dont think this year is as dominant as 14-16, plus Bottas is driving against a better Hamilton. Bottas would have picked up quite a few wins from reliability and better starts. Theres also 2015 when Hamilton qualified on pole 11 times out of the first 12 races against Rosberg and Rosberg put more wins on the board when the season was over early. Bottas will need what Rosberg got and that's certain things all happening in one season.
Indeed. Mercedes' biggest challenger through 2014-2016 was Vettel; through 2019-2020 it's been Verstappen and Leclerc, and Verstappen and Leclerc are better drivers than Vettel.KingVoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:21 pmI think it is, and the only reason why one might think not is because Verstappen is so much better than Bottas that he is able to beat him regularly even despite a clear car disadvantage.F1_Ernie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:41 pmRosberg and Bottas drove different cars, still dont think this year is as dominant as 14-16, plus Bottas is driving against a better Hamilton. Bottas would have picked up quite a few wins from reliability and better starts. Theres also 2015 when Hamilton qualified on pole 11 times out of the first 12 races against Rosberg and Rosberg put more wins on the board when the season was over early. Bottas will need what Rosberg got and that's certain things all happening in one season.
The qualifying gaps are identical or slightly bigger than they were circa 2014-2016.
That is just not true. They may not become more talented, but they can get better with experience and maturity. Lewis obviously got better, he is just way more consistent now. As a fan and keen observer of Lewis i could definitely say he wasn't always applying himself fully to the job during the Rosberg rivalry. Heck, I remember a weekend at Monaco where he arrived late to he track (can't remember what year but it was in the Rosberg era) for a practice session and the reason was that he overslept. Try telling that to my boss. There are also reports out there that he just didn't spend as much time at the factory as Rosberg, just didn't always do the homework. You just don't hear that kind of stuff anymore, in fact Bottas said he was surprised how hard Lewis works.KingVoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:19 pmI don’t believe that Hamilton improved since Rosberg left. Generally speaking drivers don’t improve after the age of 32. The more likely explanation is that Bottas is not as good as Rosberg which in turn makes Hamilton look better.TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:35 amGiven that we all think Rosberg is better than Bottas and that Hamilton has improved since Rosberg left - plus that Mercedes had not been as dominant since 2016, 8 wins for Bottas in that sense isn't exactly that bad compared to 20 for Rosberg.Lord Crc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:51 amLooked up Nico's stats[1], the last three he was there (2014 to 2016), and in that period he had 20 race wins. Then again clearly Hamilton has stepped up a level. One thing about Hamilton now is that he seems so confident and rather relaxed, which may be a result of Bottas not pushing him as hard as Nico? Maybe just age.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nico_Rosb ... ne_results