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HawaiiF1Fan wrote:Fantastic battle with Fernando. Both driving hard, but fair. Both drivers respecting the other enough to make the racing hard but with an acceptable level of risk to man and machine.

At no point did I feel that there was any danger of either of them taking each other out. Top class racing.
Very, very impressive season so far from Ricciardo. Both in qualifying and the races. Fast and intelligent.

James14 wrote:

HawaiiF1Fan wrote:Fantastic battle with Fernando. Both driving hard, but fair. Both drivers respecting the other enough to make the racing hard but with an acceptable level of risk to man and machine.

At no point did I feel that there was any danger of either of them taking each other out. Top class racing.
Very, very impressive season so far from Ricciardo. Both in qualifying and the races. Fast and intelligent.

Yeah Daniel really impresses me in his calm on track. He's very advanced in that respect. Seems the opposite of Seb where Seb gets very hot blooded on track and very calm off it.

Great job Dan! You made my day

James14 wrote:

HawaiiF1Fan wrote:Fantastic battle with Fernando. Both driving hard, but fair. Both drivers respecting the other enough to make the racing hard but with an acceptable level of risk to man and machine.

At no point did I feel that there was any danger of either of them taking each other out. Top class racing.
Very, very impressive season so far from Ricciardo. Both in qualifying and the races. Fast and intelligent.

.............and to top that performance it's a battle with Lewis and Fernando and the win...........need to put an "S" on that kid's car (even the colors match Red Bull's).

Superdan?

Toby. wrote:Superdan?

Danman
Supericardo

He has always raced like this..
This is from 2008 against Bottas in Formula Renault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JInezOcF20

mph wrote:He has always raced like this..
This is from 2008 against Bottas in Formula Renault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JInezOcF20

Incredible driving from such a young age. Your right he drives the exact same way now with the late breaking and slipstream attack all happening near the end. He never gives up. He seems to get faster and better as the race goes on. It is a shame we never got to see him show any of this amazing talent at Torro Rosso. Now in the redbull he can show his skills. If he was teamed up with Vettel the last 4 years i'm very convinced he would have been the 4xWDC as he clearly is very fast and keeps a cool head in the race while fighting to the end.

Interesting article on NBC Motorsports Talk here:

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-craving/

speedysoprano wrote:Interesting article on NBC Motorsports Talk here:

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-craving/

This had me laughing:

"It was missed on the FOM world feed broadcast, but when he passed Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso in the dying moments of the Hungarian Grand Prix, he said over the radio “that’s how you do it, ladies” – not quite “shake and bake”, but still a pretty cool thing to say after putting two F1 champions firmly in their place."

Go Dan.

Nothing against Mark Webber, but I'm finding it much easier being a Dan Ricciardo fan. Great job again today.

bashcrash wrote:Nothing against Mark Webber, but I'm finding it much easier being a Dan Ricciardo fan. Great job again today.

At least we havent had to wait as long for his first win, let alone many wins

Great job Daniel!

Super win! I've learned never to count him out - he's full of surprises!

Daniel does it again after starting behind Seb.

I'm wondering if this is a superlative year for Daniel, if this is commonplace, if Seb is just slumping or if Superman really does drive for Red Bull.

Here is Daniel giving a radio interview to Melbourne sport station SEN earlier today.

https://soundcloud.com/sen1116/daniel-r ... ning-glory

He is good fun to watch race and to listen to.

So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

And the other podium places are for the Merc boys

F1yer wrote:

Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

And the other podium places are for the Merc boys

Well then it will be interesting to see the finishing order of the 2 Redbulls and see if your words are prophetic or not

mwf1 wrote:

F1yer wrote:

Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

And the other podium places are for the Merc boys

Well then it will be interesting to see the finishing order of the 2 Redbulls and see if your words are prophetic or not

a broken clock is still right twice a day

Vettel had arguably the best car in 2008 - remember his team mate had pole (fuel corrected) but issues at the start put him out of contention and issues for others gave SV a clear race from the front (better without spray) - good driving, but what SV is good at - driving from the front without any real challenge from behind. Remember that the TR in 2008 was the same chassis but a better engine than the RBR - so was the equivalent of RBR now - and RBR was the equivalent of the McLaren - or more realistically the Force India.

Spa was a huge step for Ricciardo because of how it was won. Coming through the field and controlling the race from the front, as he did, was hugely impressive. I think he's a serious outside shot at the title.

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

Vettel didnt do anything special that day, yes he won the race but the car wasnt exactly a dog.

His team-mate Bourdais qualified 4th fastest, had the second fastest lap of the race behind Raikkonen and if it weren't for him not being able to select 1st gear at the start of the race, would probably have challenged Vettel for the win.

ChopSchuey wrote:

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

Vettel didnt do anything special that day, yes he won the race but the car wasnt exactly a dog.

His team-mate Bourdais qualified 4th fastest, had the second fastest lap of the race behind Raikkonen and if it weren't for him not being able to select 1st gear at the start of the race, would probably have challenged Vettel for the win.

Why are we talking about Vettel in 2008 in a Daniel Ricciardo support thread lol
Yep that monza win was decent but nothing senna-esque. He's team mate was also on a heavier fuel load. The car was also designed by Newey so it was alot faster than people think. On that day in those conditions it was the fastest car on track in race pace with no real challenge for the win. Almost any driver on that grid would have done the exact same that day.

Maldonado did a senna-esque drive in spain a few years ago. Team mate qualified 18th him second. WOWWWW. That is Senna-esque. In race pace that car was clearly nowhere near the fastest. He had Alonso the best driver in F1 right behind him with a much much quicker car trying every trick in the book to get past and DRS was available. Maldonado drove flawlessly blocked and defending like senna and schumacher would to take the win with not 1 mistake with so much pressure and a much slower car.
That is a senna-esque type drive.

Senna-esque drives are Ricciardo this year also. Qualifies outside top 5 not the fastest car on grid and still manages 3 wins while hes teammate is going backwards most races.

Peter77 wrote:Maldonado did a senna-esque drive in spain a few years ago. Team mate qualified 18th him second. WOWWWW. That is Senna-esque. In race pace that car was clearly nowhere near the fastest. He had Alonso the best driver in F1 right behind him with a much much quicker car trying every trick in the book to get past and DRS was available. Maldonado drove flawlessly blocked and defending like senna and schumacher would to take the win with not 1 mistake with so much pressure and a much slower car.
That is a senna-esque type drive.

And he did it against Senna even!

... Sorry, sorry. Couldn't resist the pun.

F1yer wrote:

Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

And the other podium places are for the Merc boys

Well, he cant be too good.. Ric just finished ten seconds ahead of him after a disaster start.

I thought slavery had been largely eradicated in the west at least.

Then I realised that Dan Ricciardo has 'owned' Sebastian Vettel all season.

Sad really.

Lol Dan talking about his 60 point lead and beating Vettel on merit haha but then raising question of team orders with Vettel on the possible points haul in next few races relative to Mercs, haha talk about owning Vettel, I think he will thrash Vettel on merit for remaining races. Didnt he go further than anyone hard or soft compound before pitting, then had some fun hunting down that cue of cars. Amazing ability to manage his tyres.

Funnily enough I think Dan has Vettel to thank for his result today. He pitted so early everyone else around him responded, meaning they all had bald tyres later on giving Ricciardo the upper hand. If they had have all made normal stops might have been stuck behind that big pack for the rest of the race.

Then again he might have been able to overtake anyway, but it certainly helps when your tyres are 8 laps fresher.

Yeah but did Vettel pit for undercut or were his tyres stuffed already.

As soon as Seb pitted, almost every single car in that midfield pack did the same to cover.
They were so petrified of losing track position.


Honey badger doesn't give a f*** about track postition.
Honey badger knows he can overtake like a f***ing BOSS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLg_qz3uAts

This Ricciardo dude can't stop smiling. He says he's not sure what happened to the clutch and if it was his fault or not. Probably they using Mark Webber's if i had to guess but nothing fazes him at all. It is like he is happy he fell back so he can fight through and overtake everybody. The more pressure you put on this guy the more he seems to smile in the cockpit.

Not only does he not make mistakes but he smiles and drives faster. The moves he made on Vettel and others were incredible. No hesitation either. Every other driver usually takes a while to overtake. Lately Ricciardo once his on on your gearbox then that is it really as he's got you. I am hard pressed to think of another driver in history let alone on the grid to be this aggressive and this accurate and this quick to overtake. Dummies left dummies right whatever it takes and muscles his way past with no contact. Beyond incredible

Totally agree Peter he's like the F1 Terminator, a ruthless efficient persistent racing and overtaking machine. Why teams like McLaren and Ferrari are still interested in Vettel when in the hybrid era he is clearly not as good as Ricciardo is beyond me, Daniel should be the one they should be after and he would be cheaper too without the 4-time WDC tag and his current low salary starting base.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VhZ7lIO ... be&t=8m34s

Listen to what the master Senna says. It is like he is describing Ricciardo perfectly the way he has driven this year.

Ricciardo knows when to wait, when to push, when to conserve tyres, when to attack and when to hold back all while keeping a clear head and no mistakes. He drives a race like a chess match thinking ahead and planning his strategy depending on his current position on track and opportunities unfolding in the race.

If he can keep driving like this for the rest of his career then he will end up being 1 of the GOAT.

F1yer wrote:

Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

And the other podium places are for the Merc boys

infi24r wrote:

F1yer wrote:

Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

And the other podium places are for the Merc boys

The low down is that Seb had tyre wear issues he has to overcome, but he beat Daniel in qualifying and was great off the line into P5 for the first stint. He pitted too soon and couldn't manage a 34Lap stint.

But Dan has a handle on the tyres and if he hadn't messed up his qualifying and had the poor start, falling to 12th - he could have caught Bottas and/or Massa at the end - using a strategy similar to his teammate's.

bourbon19 wrote:

infi24r wrote:

F1yer wrote:

Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

And the other podium places are for the Merc boys

The low down is that Seb had tyre wear issues he has to overcome, but he beat Daniel in qualifying and was great off the line into P5 for the first stint. He pitted too soon and couldn't manage a 34Lap stint.

But Dan has a handle on the tyres and if he hadn't messed up his qualifying and had the poor start, falling to 12th - he could have caught Bottas and/or Massa at the end - using a strategy similar to his teammate's.

I highly doubt that Dan could have beaten the Williams. Well maybe Bottas if Bottas still had the poor start and issues with traffic, but otherwise the Williams had too much race pace for RBR... even with Ricciardo behind the wheel

bourbon19 wrote:

infi24r wrote:

F1yer wrote:

Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

And the other podium places are for the Merc boys

The low down is that Seb had tyre wear issues he has to overcome, but he beat Daniel in qualifying and was great off the line into P5 for the first stint. He pitted too soon and couldn't manage a 34Lap stint.

But Dan has a handle on the tyres and if he hadn't messed up his qualifying and had the poor start, falling to 12th - he could have caught Bottas and/or Massa at the end - using a strategy similar to his teammate's.

I don't think he would have got the Williams. He's a lot faster than Seb, but the Williams seemed to have a big advantage.

Ultimately Vettel just has no answer. Its unclear what needs to change for him to ever have an answer. The season started with him and Daniel looking somewhat close in pace and the season has ended with Ricciardo being miles faster. I know you like to use the term "Tyre wear issues" instead of "pace" as it makes Seb seem better but they amount to more or less the same thing. Maintaining car pace over race distance involves conserving both the fuel consumption and tyres.

If Ricciardo can be 8 positions down on Vettel in lap 1, but still come through and beat him there are really tough times ahead for Seb. But its starting to sound like a broken record, this happens every race now there is only so many times we can talk about it.

infi24r wrote:

bourbon19 wrote:

infi24r wrote:

F1yer wrote:

Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?

Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.

And the other podium places are for the Merc boys

The low down is that Seb had tyre wear issues he has to overcome, but he beat Daniel in qualifying and was great off the line into P5 for the first stint. He pitted too soon and couldn't manage a 34Lap stint.

But Dan has a handle on the tyres and if he hadn't messed up his qualifying and had the poor start, falling to 12th - he could have caught Bottas and/or Massa at the end - using a strategy similar to his teammate's.

I don't think he would have got the Williams. He's a lot faster than Seb, but the Williams seemed to have a big advantage.

No, Bottas started behind Dan and passed forward all the way to Vettel's rear wing by lap 19. Dan was still in P11 behind Kimi unable to pass initially. Dan had a good strategy for where he was; he pitted last after everyone. He came in back down around P12 and was able to get up to P5. You dismiss this, but if he had been in P5 during that first stint and waited out everyone's stops, he'd of been P1 and come back in right in the mix with the front runners. But that was not possible because he screwed the start. The point is, there is always room for improvement for everyone - and getting qualifying right and not mucking up the start would be two ways for Dan to improve. If you focus solely on the teammate battle (which you seem to do) you miss this type of thing. Now I sound like a broken record, lol.

Ultimately Vettel just has no answer. Its unclear what needs to change for him to ever have an answer. The season started with him and Daniel looking somewhat close in pace and the season has ended with Ricciardo being miles faster. I know you like to use the term "Tyre wear issues" instead of "pace" as it makes Seb seem better but they amount to more or less the same thing. Maintaining car pace over race distance involves conserving both the fuel consumption and tyres. If Ricciardo can be 8 positions down on Vettel in lap 1, but still come through and beat him there are really tough times ahead for Seb. But its starting to sound like a broken record, this happens every race now there is only so many times we can talk about it.

We'll have to see. It is up to Seb when he will sort the tyre wear issue and whatever else he has to do to keep a steady race pace. Maybe shorter stints till he works it out. He was just as powerful coming through the field in SPA at the end - from 9th to 5th - to take on and pass those 4 cars in the final lap on fresher tyres. So he can find the pace, he just has to make it last. (I don't care what term we use, "pace" is fine)

bourbon19 wrote:You dismiss this, but if he had been in P5 during that first stint and waited out everyone's stops, he'd of been P1 and come back in right in the mix with the front runners.

Would he have? Rosberg came out of his first stop in P2, with Hamilton in P1. I don't think the pace of the Red Bull was anywhere near close enough to be in a position to be leading the race (albeit due to the stops) in normal conditions. The order at Monza was pretty clear: Mercedes, Williams, the rest. Without any accidents, I reckon P5 was the best Red Bull could've achieved there. Dan could've held his spot off the line (or he could have made up a couple like Seb did), but ultimately I'd say the end result would've been the same.