infi24r wrote: bourbon19 wrote: infi24r wrote:
Aussie Grit wrote:So, if theres one thing I've learn't from Ricciardo.. Its dont count him out..
He just seems to always end up at the front.
Does anyone think he has a podium chance at Monza this week?
Nope Vettel too good at Monza... remember 2008.
And the other podium places are for the Merc boys
The low down is that Seb had tyre wear issues he has to overcome, but he beat Daniel in qualifying and was great off the line into P5 for the first stint. He pitted too soon and couldn't manage a 34Lap stint.
But Dan has a handle on the tyres and if he hadn't messed up his qualifying and had the poor start, falling to 12th - he could have caught Bottas and/or Massa at the end - using a strategy similar to his teammate's.
I don't think he would have got the Williams. He's a lot faster than Seb, but the Williams seemed to have a big advantage.
No, Bottas started behind Dan and passed forward all the way to Vettel's rear wing by lap 19. Dan was still in P11 behind Kimi unable to pass initially. Dan had a good strategy for where he was; he pitted last after everyone. He came in back down around P12 and was able to get up to P5. You dismiss this, but if he had been in P5 during that first stint and waited out everyone's stops, he'd of been P1 and come back in right in the mix with the front runners. But that was not possible because he screwed the start. The point is, there is always room for improvement for everyone - and getting qualifying right and not mucking up the start would be two ways for Dan to improve. If you focus solely on the teammate battle (which you seem to do) you miss this type of thing. Now I sound like a broken record, lol.
Ultimately Vettel just has no answer. Its unclear what needs to change for him to ever have an answer. The season started with him and Daniel looking somewhat close in pace and the season has ended with Ricciardo being miles faster. I know you like to use the term "Tyre wear issues" instead of "pace" as it makes Seb seem better but they amount to more or less the same thing. Maintaining car pace over race distance involves conserving both the fuel consumption and tyres. If Ricciardo can be 8 positions down on Vettel in lap 1, but still come through and beat him there are really tough times ahead for Seb. But its starting to sound like a broken record, this happens every race now there is only so many times we can talk about it.
We'll have to see. It is up to Seb when he will sort the tyre wear issue and whatever else he has to do to keep a steady race pace. Maybe shorter stints till he works it out. He was just as powerful coming through the field in SPA at the end - from 9th to 5th - to take on and pass those 4 cars in the final lap on fresher tyres. So he can find the pace, he just has to make it last. (I don't care what term we use, "pace" is fine)