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Simply Beautiful!
Here's to a great season

It will surely be beat by all. After all it's the only team without a step so they have made an obvious mistake

Johnston wrote:It will surely be beat by all. After all it's the only team without a step so they have made an obvious mistake

I really wanna put that in my signature, just incase you're wrong

I was being sarcastic because of some of the posts on the old thread.

Johnston wrote:I was being sarcastic because of some of the posts on the old thread.

I know, we'll prove 'em wrong

Unless RBR or anyone else bring out something truely amazing at the last test that no one knows about.

I fully expect Melbourne to be a closer race than last year and Lewis wasn't far off until his front splitter dropped.

I definitly think the 27 will hit the ground running a bit faster than the 26 and prevent a Vettel gravy train.

Although it's success could be it's demise as both drivers duke it out with Vettel and his wingman for the WDC.

It better bloody work, that's all I can say!

OK, I can say a bit more than that, but none of it good.

Save that, yes, it is a lovely looking thing.

EXCEPT THAT'S NO USE IF IT'S SLOWER THAN CONINENTAL DRIFT!

Johnston wrote:It will surely be beat by all. After all it's the only team without a step so they have made an obvious mistake

NOT.

The MP4-27 is an evolution of last year's car. So barring something weird, the car will be much better sorted out compared to last year's car. If you stumble out of the blocks, as McLaren did last year, making up ground is almost impossible. It's when you try something new and radical, such as last year's McLaren octopus exhaust or this year's Ferrari, that you risk being left at the starting gate if things don't go as hoped for.

At the end of the 2011 season the McLaren was capable of winning races. So the team made the wise decision to build on the MP4-26, since it was a known quality, and a winner. They knew how it worked, how the different pieces all interacted, and didn't need to re-learn it all over again, which is what Ferrari are having to do.

Anyways, it's not the nose that will be the game changer, but the exhausts.

I recommend that anyone interested in the technical details try out Scarbs at http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/

He gives an accurate and unbiased assessment of the RB-8, Ferrari, and McLaren.

Blinky McSquinty wrote:

Johnston wrote:It will surely be beat by all. After all it's the only team without a step so they have made an obvious mistake

NOT.

The MP4-27 is an evolution of last year's car. So barring something weird, the car will be much better sorted out compared to last year's car. If you stumble out of the blocks, as McLaren did last year, making up ground is almost impossible. It's when you try something new and radical, such as last year's McLaren octopus exhaust or this year's Ferrari, that you risk being left at the starting gate if things don't go as hoped for.

At the end of the 2011 season the McLaren was capable of winning races. So the team made the wise decision to build on the MP4-26, since it was a known quality, and a winner. They knew how it worked, how the different pieces all interacted, and didn't need to re-learn it all over again, which is what Ferrari are having to do.

Anyways, it's not the nose that will be the game changer, but the exhausts.

I recommend that anyone interested in the technical details try out Scarbs at http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/

He gives an accurate and unbiased assessment of the RB-8, Ferrari, and McLaren.

Steady on Blinky, Johnston's sentence was defo tongue-in-cheek! (He even stated this earlier in the thread. Just goes to show that smilies aren't the universal language after all!)

on auto blog macca saying car is good ,with lewis saying car feels really good in the high speed corners , which is much better than last years first efforts

Best looking car since I started watching F1.

http://f1.f-e-n.net/images/f1/2012/2012 ... H_7901.jpg

AlexanderSZ wrote:Best looking car since I started watching F1.

http://f1.f-e-n.net/images/f1/2012/2012 ... H_7901.jpg

What is that black part just below the rear wing?

Blinky McSquinty wrote:

Johnston wrote:It will surely be beat by all. After all it's the only team without a step so they have made an obvious mistake

NOT.

The MP4-27 is an evolution of last year's car. So barring something weird, the car will be much better sorted out compared to last year's car. If you stumble out of the blocks, as McLaren did last year, making up ground is almost impossible. It's when you try something new and radical, such as last year's McLaren octopus exhaust or this year's Ferrari, that you risk being left at the starting gate if things don't go as hoped for.

At the end of the 2011 season the McLaren was capable of winning races. So the team made the wise decision to build on the MP4-26, since it was a known quality, and a winner. They knew how it worked, how the different pieces all interacted, and didn't need to re-learn it all over again, which is what Ferrari are having to do.

Anyways, it's not the nose that will be the game changer, but the exhausts.

I recommend that anyone interested in the technical details try out Scarbs at http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/

He gives an accurate and unbiased assessment of the RB-8, Ferrari, and McLaren.

It was sarcasm because I got fed up posting in the dozen or so threads that said McLaren missed a trick and the lack of step meant they would be running around with HRT.

well i think that when this mp4-27 starts running away with the championships, that some of the ugly step nose cars will suddenly appear with mclaren style noses

AwesomeDave wrote:well i think that when this mp4-27 starts running away with the championships, that some of the ugly step nose cars will suddenly appear with mclaren style noses

They can't.

It would mean a New tub. They are only allowed one Homologation a year on chassis.

Johnston wrote:It was sarcasm because I got fed up posting in the dozen or so threads that said McLaren missed a trick and the lack of step meant they would be running around with HRT.

I wish to apologize to you, Johnston, I read it all wrong. Sometimes the internet can fail to convey the intent of the originator, and this time I screwed up. If you're ever in Toronto, ring me up and I''l take you out and we can share some brown pop.

I'm sorry, and I owe you one.

Blinky McSquinty wrote:

Johnston wrote:It was sarcasm because I got fed up posting in the dozen or so threads that said McLaren missed a trick and the lack of step meant they would be running around with HRT.

I wish to apologize to you, Johnston, I read it all wrong. Sometimes the internet can fail to convey the intent of the originator, and this time I screwed up. If you're ever in Toronto, ring me up and I''l take you out and we can share some brown pop.

I'm sorry, and I owe you one.

Might hold you to that. Almost ended up livin' there. Got Family in toronto.

Johnston wrote:

AwesomeDave wrote:well i think that when this mp4-27 starts running away with the championships, that some of the ugly step nose cars will suddenly appear with mclaren style noses

They can't.

It would mean a New tub. They are only allowed one Homologation a year on chassis.

Not Necessarily so. The stepped/upper portion of the nose can be changed without changing any of the other dimensions.
Either way, if it just so happened that a car was said to be too unstable to the point it was perhaps unsafe to drive, the FIA and FOM would allow the change, regardless of homologation.

Remember the 2004 BMW? It went from this:




To this:




Regardless of what outside experts think, the change can be done quite easily.


Having said that, Let's all hope this beautiful piece of Machinery eclipses everyone else and gets the rest of the field thinking they need to ditch the retina spraining eye sore that is the stepped nose and go back to prettier designs.

the incubus wrote: Remember the 2004 BMW? It went from this:

I forgot how ugly that car was...

the incubus wrote:

Johnston wrote:

AwesomeDave wrote:well i think that when this mp4-27 starts running away with the championships, that some of the ugly step nose cars will suddenly appear with mclaren style noses

They can't.

It would mean a New tub. They are only allowed one Homologation a year on chassis.

Not Necessarily so. The stepped/upper portion of the nose can be changed without changing any of the other dimensions.
Either way, if it just so happened that a car was said to be too unstable to the point it was perhaps unsafe to drive, the FIA and FOM would allow the change, regardless of homologation.

Remember the 2004 BMW? It went from this:

http://www.f1-fansite.com/wallpaper/200 ... 6-1600.jpg


To this:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 07_bmw.jpg


Regardless of what outside experts think, the change can be done quite easily.


Having said that, Let's all hope this beautiful piece of Machinery eclipses everyone else and gets the rest of the field thinking they need to ditch the retina spraining eye sore that is the stepped nose and go back to prettier designs.

No it can't be done easily. The step is because thats the height the nose has to be at which is much lower than the height of the tub they have chosen to use to aid under body airflow. To make them smooth like Maccas keeping the same tub would make the top of the nose illegal as it would put the point the nose is measured at above the maximum allowed height. . Or in other words if RBR went to a smooth nose it would just be like the RB7. And they changed the front for a reason. IT'S ILLEGAL THIS YEAR.

The Williams you showed was a new nose cone not a new tub. PLUS IIRC it was before the cost cutting One homologation per year rule anyway.

Welcome back forum, and the best thread ever

Beautiful car and good on Mclaren for sticking to their guns with no stepped nose. Good to see them being individuals. It will be a very competitive car.

Lets hope its as fast as it is beautiful

looking at the clean airflow on that airflow paint pic it looks realy nice and clean be nice to see a few comparisons of airflow paint side by side of the same parts on diferent cars we may get an idea of whos sorted the drag ect out the best.
ive seen a few realy messy pics of airflow paint someware.
but i think maclaren have got it sorted a lot less to muck around with compared to the teams with the steped nose.

petef1 wrote:http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9989 ... update.jpg

Made it smaller for you XD

Thank you for editing linkinstreet.

This is a MASSIVE difference from Friday's car to Saturday's. Look at the exhaust exits and the side pods - WOW

And that's the tightest donkey I've ever seen

Has the exhaust actually changed.

It sorta looks like they have more tightly sculpted the body work to where the exhausts were. Giving the impression the whole lot has been changed.

Actually I think I'm in love. I've never said this on an internet forum before.

I'm very excited about Q1 at Melbourne. I think this McLaren is the gift the best driver pairing in Formula 1 have been waiting for.

Johnston wrote:Has the exhaust actually changed.

It sorta looks like they have more tightly sculpted the body work to where the exhausts were. Giving the impression the whole lot has been changed.

Apparently they have tried a number of exhaust layouts over the four tests. This new body work will then accomodate the solution they are going racing with.

much more sexier than first introduced... the sidepod is very much sculpted...

The underside of the car has changed massively aswell as the bodywork where the exhausts exit.

I just really hope this car is fast.

Satria_Neo wrote:much more sexier than first introduced... the sidepod is very much sculpted...

+1

Actually the implications of going it alone could have a big impact.
If Mclaren (and I do say if) have a dominant car, with all the others unable to change nose and therefore tub design until next year.
This could leave McLaren looking good for a couple of seasons, with all the other teams playing catch up.
Perhaps a gamble worth taking.

McLaren wants both Championships bad. Looks like they could do it with a fine looking car.

The car looks great and pre-season testing has gone better than it has in years. I think the first few races will give us a good idea of what type of season McLaren is going to have.

By using a different nose concept, they have possibly put themselves in a different league from the other teams. They might be well in front of the other teams or they might be well behind them. Another possibility is that McLaren will be fastest early in the year while the stepped nose teams struggle to understand their cars. As they learn to fully exploit the concept, they might overtake Macca.

Either way, the first few races will be crucial. They cannot afford to fall behind the way they have for the last 3 years.

I'm optomistic though.

Can anybody here post the picture of McLaren F duct/ W Duct n the nose of the MP4-27 as some of the media claimed?