Danica Patrick joining Sky team for US GP
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:49 pm
Intriguing move.
Harsh! Herbert is a great personality but I agree he doesn't offer much. Karun I think has more of a focused role so I do find his contributions worth hearing. Ex - F1 drivers are hit and miss. Of the ones I've seen/heardhairy_scotsman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:11 pmJohnny and Karun both have F1 experience, and they're both blithering idiots. Karun esp is long-winded af, and rarely brings anything useful to the discussion that anyone else couldn't bring.
I think some of you will be surprised. This isn't hotheaded, loose cannon Danica the driver (whom I didn't care for at all).
Here's how I rate them:DOLOMITE wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:17 amHarsh! Herbert is a great personality but I agree he doesn't offer much. Karun I think has more of a focused role so I do find his contributions worth hearing. Ex - F1 drivers are hit and miss. Of the ones I've seen/heardhairy_scotsman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:11 pmJohnny and Karun both have F1 experience, and they're both blithering idiots. Karun esp is long-winded af, and rarely brings anything useful to the discussion that anyone else couldn't bring.
I think some of you will be surprised. This isn't hotheaded, loose cannon Danica the driver (whom I didn't care for at all).
Brundle - Legend
Button - Excellent
Chandhok - Good in the role he his in
Coulthard - Good
Davidson - Likeable and good in the role he his in
Herbert - Pointless
Hill - Pointless
Rosberg - Like his forthrightness and overall good, but the constant "If you want to beat Lewis blah blah" gets on my wick
Webber - Nice guy but tries too hard
I am in full agreement with this analysis.Exediron wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:37 amHere's how I rate them:DOLOMITE wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:17 amHarsh! Herbert is a great personality but I agree he doesn't offer much. Karun I think has more of a focused role so I do find his contributions worth hearing. Ex - F1 drivers are hit and miss. Of the ones I've seen/heardhairy_scotsman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:11 pmJohnny and Karun both have F1 experience, and they're both blithering idiots. Karun esp is long-winded af, and rarely brings anything useful to the discussion that anyone else couldn't bring.
I think some of you will be surprised. This isn't hotheaded, loose cannon Danica the driver (whom I didn't care for at all).
Brundle - Legend
Button - Excellent
Chandhok - Good in the role he his in
Coulthard - Good
Davidson - Likeable and good in the role he his in
Herbert - Pointless
Hill - Pointless
Rosberg - Like his forthrightness and overall good, but the constant "If you want to beat Lewis blah blah" gets on my wick
Webber - Nice guy but tries too hard
Brundle - Plays off Crofty and becomes worse when next to him. Liability.
Button - Sticks to his guns and generally unaffected by Crofty. Good.
Chandhok - Agrees entirely too much with Crofty. Liability.
Coulthard - Not on the same broadcast as Crofty, therefore excellent.
Davidson - Willing to tell Crofty when to shut up. Good.
Herbert - Far too close to Crofty. Liability.
Hill - Generally seems to have no respect for Crofty, therefore I respect him. Solid.
Rosberg - Willing and ready to shut Crofty down at the drop of a hat. Legend.
Webber - Not on the same broadcast as Crofty, therefore excellent.
If I'm not stating the obvious, you're not a Crofty fan... Not that many here are either...Exediron wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:37 amHere's how I rate them:DOLOMITE wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:17 amHarsh! Herbert is a great personality but I agree he doesn't offer much. Karun I think has more of a focused role so I do find his contributions worth hearing. Ex - F1 drivers are hit and miss. Of the ones I've seen/heardhairy_scotsman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:11 pmJohnny and Karun both have F1 experience, and they're both blithering idiots. Karun esp is long-winded af, and rarely brings anything useful to the discussion that anyone else couldn't bring.
I think some of you will be surprised. This isn't hotheaded, loose cannon Danica the driver (whom I didn't care for at all).
Brundle - Legend
Button - Excellent
Chandhok - Good in the role he his in
Coulthard - Good
Davidson - Likeable and good in the role he his in
Herbert - Pointless
Hill - Pointless
Rosberg - Like his forthrightness and overall good, but the constant "If you want to beat Lewis blah blah" gets on my wick
Webber - Nice guy but tries too hard
Brundle - Plays off Crofty and becomes worse when next to him. Liability.
Button - Sticks to his guns and generally unaffected by Crofty. Good.
Chandhok - Agrees entirely too much with Crofty. Liability.
Coulthard - Not on the same broadcast as Crofty, therefore excellent.
Davidson - Willing to tell Crofty when to shut up. Good.
Herbert - Far too close to Crofty. Liability.
Hill - Generally seems to have no respect for Crofty, therefore I respect him. Solid.
Rosberg - Willing and ready to shut Crofty down at the drop of a hat. Legend.
Webber - Not on the same broadcast as Crofty, therefore excellent.
That would be an understatement. Crofty is such a consummate idiot that he significantly degrades my enjoyment of the Grand Prix simply by being part of the broadcast.
I agree here.Exediron wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:57 pmThat would be an understatement. Crofty is such a consummate idiot that he significantly degrades my enjoyment of the Grand Prix simply by being part of the broadcast.
The only positive of his commentary is that it reminds one to appreciate the beauty of silence.
I started by just focusing on the ex-driver commentators as it started with Danica's guest appearance.Jezza13 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:50 pmI agree here.Exediron wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:57 pmThat would be an understatement. Crofty is such a consummate idiot that he significantly degrades my enjoyment of the Grand Prix simply by being part of the broadcast.
The only positive of his commentary is that it reminds one to appreciate the beauty of silence.
Crofty's about as painful as walking barefoot on Lego. I also think Brundle's a worse co-commentator for having Crofty next to him too. I never thought i'd live to say these words but given a choice between him & Jonathan Legard, give me Legard any day.
Most of the others I don't mind with the exception of Herbert. For some reason he reminds me of the little kid in the playground who'll do & say whatever it takes just to be able to hang around with the big kids. That's probably very unfair on him as he is a 3x GP winner but that's how I see him.
I can't help but notice non of you have given the gals a go in your commentator reviews. Ya bunch of misogynistic mugs ya.
I think both Rachel & Natalie do a great job in their respective roles, & now they're being used to a broader extent by hosting FP1, they should only get better.
About 6 months ago I watched the entire 09 and 10 seasons again, honestly nothing is as bad as Legard. Genuinely, properly awful. Even if you forgive him all the "problems".Jezza13 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:50 pmI agree here.Exediron wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:57 pmThat would be an understatement. Crofty is such a consummate idiot that he significantly degrades my enjoyment of the Grand Prix simply by being part of the broadcast.
The only positive of his commentary is that it reminds one to appreciate the beauty of silence.
Crofty's about as painful as walking barefoot on Lego. I also think Brundle's a worse co-commentator for having Crofty next to him too. I never thought i'd live to say these words but given a choice between him & Jonathan Legard, give me Legard any day.
Most of the others I don't mind with the exception of Herbert. For some reason he reminds me of the little kid in the playground who'll do & say whatever it takes just to be able to hang around with the big kids. That's probably very unfair on him as he is a 3x GP winner but that's how I see him.
I can't help but notice non of you have given the gals a go in your commentator reviews. Ya bunch of misogynistic mugs ya.
I think both Rachel & Natalie do a great job in their respective roles, & now they're being used to a broader extent by hosting FP1, they should only get better.
Legard was intolerable. I quickly got fed of his inane rambling and opted for the BBC radio commentary instead. Which at the time, as it happens, came from our good friend Mr Croft.mikeyg123 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:52 pmAbout 6 months ago I watched the entire 09 and 10 seasons again, honestly nothing is as bad as Legard. Genuinely, properly awful. Even if you forgive him all the "problems".Jezza13 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:50 pmI agree here.Exediron wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:57 pmThat would be an understatement. Crofty is such a consummate idiot that he significantly degrades my enjoyment of the Grand Prix simply by being part of the broadcast.
The only positive of his commentary is that it reminds one to appreciate the beauty of silence.
Crofty's about as painful as walking barefoot on Lego. I also think Brundle's a worse co-commentator for having Crofty next to him too. I never thought i'd live to say these words but given a choice between him & Jonathan Legard, give me Legard any day.
Most of the others I don't mind with the exception of Herbert. For some reason he reminds me of the little kid in the playground who'll do & say whatever it takes just to be able to hang around with the big kids. That's probably very unfair on him as he is a 3x GP winner but that's how I see him.
I can't help but notice non of you have given the gals a go in your commentator reviews. Ya bunch of misogynistic mugs ya.
I think both Rachel & Natalie do a great job in their respective roles, & now they're being used to a broader extent by hosting FP1, they should only get better.
I watched the NBC broadcast for years, right up until it ceased to exist. The Sky product -- taken in a holistic sense -- is certainly superior, although largely down to quantity rather than quality.hairy_scotsman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:54 pmI don't know how many of you ever had to watch the NBC broadcasts, but I can assure you the Sky product is better by leaps and bounds, warts and all. It's not even close.
i've watched all of the different f1 broadcasts in the states. someone at liberty had a buddy at espn, gave it to them for free. no commercials is obviously great, and getting more fans. but the announcer screaming in a high pitch, constantly, and kissing lewis' ring, is horribly annoying to me. i watch with no sound oftenhairy_scotsman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:54 pmI don't know how many of you ever had to watch the NBC broadcasts, but I can assure you the Sky product is better by leaps and bounds, warts and all. It's not even close.
I assumed this was why he lost FP1 duties. Honestly, I'd rather he just got booted and they promoted Rachel full-time. She's far better informed, lacks the ego and keeps the boys in check.Exediron wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:04 pmThe worst of all is Crofty's sorry excuse for commentary during FP2. It's obvious he has no interest in what goes on during a practice session and even less knowledge, but rather than doing the sensible thing and just leaving it to someone who actually does understand F1, he shows up anyway and spends literally the entire hour talking unrelated rot. You could replace his FP2 commentary with a random bum off the street and you would get the same amount of information out of the experience.hairy_scotsman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:54 pmI don't know how many of you ever had to watch the NBC broadcasts, but I can assure you the Sky product is better by leaps and bounds, warts and all. It's not even close.
Agreed, feels like he's dropped the focus and tries to hard to go off on "amusing digressions". There usually follows and awkward pause as Brundle gently tolerates him while trying to keep the train on the tracks.j man wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:40 pmLegard was intolerable. I quickly got fed of his inane rambling and opted for the BBC radio commentary instead. Which at the time, as it happens, came from our good friend Mr Croft.
I think Croft was better back then, he was more restrained and professional. Since moving to TV though he has continued to commentate as if it's a radio broadcast and as he's gotten comfortable in his position he's started to lark about more and more.
I really rate Jack Nicholls although I find the fact that he is younger than I am inexplicably annoyingwire2004 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:49 amIf you want the best commentators currently. You need look no further than alex jacques on channel 4 and jack Nicholls on formula e.
Crofty was good when she was doing 5 live. Not so much now. Ben Edwards before his retirement was phoning it in compared to his commentary in the late 90s and 00s for eurosport in formula 1 and indycar.
Was legard really as bad when he did radio vs his TV career.
James allen was good when he did his 5 live stint and proved ITV had a mandate when hamilton came in to f1.
Even Murray walker proved he could still do it. Both when he commented on the nurburgring race in 07/08 for 5 live. And also when he was a guest in the booth for fp1 for sky 1 year at Silverstone.
The problem with crofty. He is knowledgeable and knows his stuff. Not just in f1. But also when he joined the aussie v8 supercars in Melbourne the day before lockdown he has a wide range. He just doesnt seem to utilise this properly. Just give us the knowledge without going off on 3 or 4 tangents.
I agree. Much better than I expected.Mort Canard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:39 pmSo far Danica has exceeded my expectations. She is not doing a half bad job.
Yeah, the version of American culture that has been presented at the USGP at COTA has been pretty cartoonish over the years.EPROM wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:03 pmI agree. Much better than I expected.Mort Canard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:39 pmSo far Danica has exceeded my expectations. She is not doing a half bad job.
Strangely enough, her fashion choice leaves me very puzzled... Basic black - fine; shoulder asymmetry - questionable; weird pants legs - just plain weird.
Much worse is the (Texas-oriented) "Americana" on display...
I still think the guns at Texas Motor Speedway for the IndyCar winner(s) are more cartoonish. Although that car came close.Mort Canard wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:21 amYeah, the version of American culture that has been presented at the USGP at COTA has been pretty cartoonish over the years.EPROM wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:03 pmI agree. Much better than I expected.Mort Canard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:39 pmSo far Danica has exceeded my expectations. She is not doing a half bad job.
Strangely enough, her fashion choice leaves me very puzzled... Basic black - fine; shoulder asymmetry - questionable; weird pants legs - just plain weird.
Much worse is the (Texas-oriented) "Americana" on display...
Mort Canard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:39 pmSo far Danica has exceeded my expectations. She is not doing a half bad job.