planetf1.com

Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere so here's a link to the survey. Get clicking........

https://f1-global-fan-survey.motorsport.com/

didn't work for me - "Error on first page", lost interest...

DOLOMITE wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:04 pm

didn't work for me - "Error on first page", lost interest...

Think it only launched today so maybe there's a lot of people doing it at the same time causing problems. That said, I managed to fill it all in.

Looks more like data gathering to market to F1 fans than an actual survey.

Did not make it past the second page before I decided not to participate.

Filled it in. The list of ideas for "improving the show" was mostly horrendous.

Not sure how much attention is going to be paid to the additional comments box at the end, but I used it to have a moan about the sport's unhealthy obsession with aerodynamics.

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:09 pm

DOLOMITE wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:04 pm

didn't work for me - "Error on first page", lost interest...

Think it only launched today so maybe there's a lot of people doing it at the same time causing problems. That said, I managed to fill it all in.

It seems to work for me (in France).
Before I give them my e-mail address and fill the survey, would you give me/us your impression on the survey ? Is it another PR stunt that will allow F1 to paint itself in rose whatever the result (i.e. "biased" MCQ) or does it tackle the issues honestly, rules, tracks, cars, tyres, money etc. ?

Heads up, second page won't let you continue without ticking a box saying you want to receive spam. I'll pass.

Black_Flag_11 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:05 pm

Heads up, second page won't let you continue without ticking a box saying you want to receive spam. I'll pass.

Correct. I got one straight away and unsubscribed. Job done.

Harpo wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:04 pm

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:09 pm

DOLOMITE wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:04 pm

didn't work for me - "Error on first page", lost interest...

Think it only launched today so maybe there's a lot of people doing it at the same time causing problems. That said, I managed to fill it all in.

It seems to work for me (in France).
Before I give them my e-mail address and fill the survey, would you give me/us your impression on the survey ? Is it another PR stunt that will allow F1 to paint itself in rose whatever the result (i.e. "biased" MCQ) or does it tackle the issues honestly, rules, tracks, cars, tyres, money etc. ?

In parts, yes. However, I was able to tell them how poor I believe sprint quali is amongst many other things and there was a box at the end for written comments. In got a message or two across.....

Black_Flag_11 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:05 pm

Heads up, second page won't let you continue without ticking a box saying you want to receive spam. I'll pass.

I also didn't enjoy being coerced into spam to give my opinion. I'd have thought the valued opinions of a 20-something British professional sells for more than whatever they are getting marketing those e-mails.

I made it clear that free-to-air live Grand Prix would be the best thing for the sport. In my dreams...

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:18 pm

Black_Flag_11 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:05 pm

Heads up, second page won't let you continue without ticking a box saying you want to receive spam. I'll pass.

Correct. I got one straight away and unsubscribed. Job done.

At least they don't have it on the last page I guess!

Black_Flag_11 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:13 pm

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:18 pm

Black_Flag_11 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:05 pm

Heads up, second page won't let you continue without ticking a box saying you want to receive spam. I'll pass.

Correct. I got one straight away and unsubscribed. Job done.

At least they don't have it on the last page I guess!

Very true. I contemplated not going past that page but legally they have to have an unsubscribe option on emails.

Filled it out. Reminded them the grid capacity is 13 teams, not 10, and that we have too much wasted talent now. Also suggested that they should court American teams to fill those slots, and then push for a triple header at Indianapolis alongside Indycar and NASCAR. That would get a LOT of fans in. They'd need another layer of grandstands!

Black_Flag_11 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:05 pm

Heads up, second page won't let you continue without ticking a box saying you want to receive spam. I'll pass.

Maybe it was bugged before, because I was able to go past page 2 without opting in to any spam.

Herb wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:15 pm

Black_Flag_11 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:05 pm

Heads up, second page won't let you continue without ticking a box saying you want to receive spam. I'll pass.

Maybe it was bugged before, because I was able to go past page 2 without opting in to any spam.

Yep same here

I wonder why they run these surveys when it seems they're just going to do what they want to do anyway.

I think the page 2 spam opt-in requirement was a bug. Certainly I had no problems not checking either box.

I'm not sure they use this information for much, but I completed the survey. I note that there is still no option for "there is no free TV in my country"... but I suppose "it doesn't affect my viewing habits" is close enough.

At the end of the day, we all have a choice about filling in this or not and if we do, nothing may ever come of the overall results, but just like any political election, voting means that at least I tried.

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:52 pm

At the end of the day, we all have a choice about filling in this or not and if we do, nothing may ever come of the overall results, but just like any political election, voting means that at least I tried.

Fair enough. The threat of undesirable use of personal information (e.g., email address) is a risk/probabilistic cost, but that's part of what a participatory democracy/election is all about. If you care enough about it, you'll make your voice known - even with the risk. That counts for something, and the wise viewer of the resultant data is wise to considerate validity of such a result.

EPROM wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:55 pm

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:52 pm

At the end of the day, we all have a choice about filling in this or not and if we do, nothing may ever come of the overall results, but just like any political election, voting means that at least I tried.

Fair enough. The threat of undesirable use of personal information (e.g., email address) is a risk/probabilistic cost, but that's part of what a participatory democracy/election is all about. If you care enough about it, you'll make your voice known - even with the risk. That counts for something, and the wise viewer of the resultant data is wise to considerate validity of such a result.

Good on both of you for trying to make a difference, at least perhaps they might not be able to say they have fan approval for things they might be planning, not that ultimately it would deter them anyway.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:44 am

EPROM wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:55 pm

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:52 pm

At the end of the day, we all have a choice about filling in this or not and if we do, nothing may ever come of the overall results, but just like any political election, voting means that at least I tried.

Fair enough. The threat of undesirable use of personal information (e.g., email address) is a risk/probabilistic cost, but that's part of what a participatory democracy/election is all about. If you care enough about it, you'll make your voice known - even with the risk. That counts for something, and the wise viewer of the resultant data is wise to considerate validity of such a result.

Good on both of you for trying to make a difference, at least perhaps they might not be able to say they have fan approval for things they might be planning, not that ultimately it would deter them anyway.

Plus, if like me, others on here use 1 or more social media platforms, let alone carry round a mobile phone with us for most of our lives, we're probably giving away significantly more life information than that one survey will cost us.

Completed (with fake e-mail). I hope they publish a full breakdown of the results, rather than just the analysis as I'd like to see how the actual voting went.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:44 am

EPROM wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:55 pm

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:52 pm

At the end of the day, we all have a choice about filling in this or not and if we do, nothing may ever come of the overall results, but just like any political election, voting means that at least I tried.

Fair enough. The threat of undesirable use of personal information (e.g., email address) is a risk/probabilistic cost, but that's part of what a participatory democracy/election is all about. If you care enough about it, you'll make your voice known - even with the risk. That counts for something, and the wise viewer of the resultant data is wise to considerate validity of such a result.

Good on both of you for trying to make a difference, at least perhaps they might not be able to say they have fan approval for things they might be planning, not that ultimately it would deter them anyway.

To be clear, I visited the site but never went past the point where it requested my email address; it was past my comfort zone.

EPROM wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:01 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:44 am

EPROM wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:55 pm

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:52 pm

At the end of the day, we all have a choice about filling in this or not and if we do, nothing may ever come of the overall results, but just like any political election, voting means that at least I tried.

Fair enough. The threat of undesirable use of personal information (e.g., email address) is a risk/probabilistic cost, but that's part of what a participatory democracy/election is all about. If you care enough about it, you'll make your voice known - even with the risk. That counts for something, and the wise viewer of the resultant data is wise to considerate validity of such a result.

Good on both of you for trying to make a difference, at least perhaps they might not be able to say they have fan approval for things they might be planning, not that ultimately it would deter them anyway.

To be clear, I visited the site but never went past the point where it requested my email address; it was past my comfort zone.

Genuine questions. What are you worried about and do you own a smart phone?

Still don't know how those running our sport (if they have involvement in this setup) have such terrible suggestions to improve the sport, as was shown in this survey

Schumacher forever#1 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:00 pm

Still don't know how those running our sport (if they have involvement in this setup) have such terrible suggestions to improve the sport, as was shown in this survey

They were involved, but not exclusively. Motorsport.com also had a hand in it and it's difficult to know which parts are whose, but my guess is Motorsport.com do little more than host and publicise.

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:44 pm

EPROM wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:01 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:44 am

EPROM wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:55 pm

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:52 pm

At the end of the day, we all have a choice about filling in this or not and if we do, nothing may ever come of the overall results, but just like any political election, voting means that at least I tried.

Fair enough. The threat of undesirable use of personal information (e.g., email address) is a risk/probabilistic cost, but that's part of what a participatory democracy/election is all about. If you care enough about it, you'll make your voice known - even with the risk. That counts for something, and the wise viewer of the resultant data is wise to considerate validity of such a result.

Good on both of you for trying to make a difference, at least perhaps they might not be able to say they have fan approval for things they might be planning, not that ultimately it would deter them anyway.

To be clear, I visited the site but never went past the point where it requested my email address; it was past my comfort zone.

Genuine questions. What are you worried about and do you own a smart phone?

I pick and choose very carefully whom I provide my email address. There has to be a good benefit to me to do so and a reasonable trust in the recipient of my information. Trust in general needs to be earned in the public arena and evidenced over time. The validity of the reason (as interpreted by me) varies more than I would like, but we are what we are.

I am in the computer security business and my bias is towards information conservatism. Through my online practices and choice of email provider (a chain, really), I get less than one suspected spam message per week (and where I'm located, I'm not covered by EU privacy protections, either). That's my personal preference.

I of course own a smart phone. I actually know a few people who eschew them. I know a fair amount about smart phone security, and manage it conservatively. E.g., I understand the limitations of SMS-based 2FA.

EPROM wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:31 pm

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:44 pm

EPROM wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:01 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:44 am

EPROM wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:55 pm

Fair enough. The threat of undesirable use of personal information (e.g., email address) is a risk/probabilistic cost, but that's part of what a participatory democracy/election is all about. If you care enough about it, you'll make your voice known - even with the risk. That counts for something, and the wise viewer of the resultant data is wise to considerate validity of such a result.

Good on both of you for trying to make a difference, at least perhaps they might not be able to say they have fan approval for things they might be planning, not that ultimately it would deter them anyway.

To be clear, I visited the site but never went past the point where it requested my email address; it was past my comfort zone.

Genuine questions. What are you worried about and do you own a smart phone?

I pick and choose very carefully whom I provide my email address. There has to be a good benefit to me to do so and a reasonable trust in the recipient of my information. Trust in general needs to be earned in the public arena and evidenced over time. The validity of the reason (as interpreted by me) varies more than I would like, but we are what we are.

I am in the computer security business and my bias is towards information conservatism. Through my online practices and choice of email provider (a chain, really), I get less than one suspected spam message per week (and where I'm located, I'm not covered by EU privacy protections, either). That's my personal preference.

I of course own a smart phone. I actually know a few people who eschew them. I know a fair amount about smart phone security, and manage it conservatively. E.g., I understand the limitations of SMS-based 2FA.

The results are out!

https://f1-global-fan-survey.motorsport.com/

Interesting to see that Verstappen is now the most popular driver. Hamilton's winning streak is wearing thin it seems.

Even more interesting is how Ferrari's support seems to have disintegrated. Perhaps we can finally dispel the notion that their unique presence adds essential commercial value to F1 and stop this nonsense extra payment that they get.

Horrified that sprint qualifying gets marginal approval. Also quite large support for multiple tyre suppliers which concerns me personally as I think it's a terrible idea that does more to create a two-tier formula than engine/power unit differences do. At least the survey indicates we won't be seeing success ballast anytime soon though.

Well that's that for sprint races then, they're certain to feature more prominently next year now. At least the survey was massively against them being at every race, I'd actually say on a whole that chart looks like fan opinion is against sprints, with some "eh they're not too bad" sentiment, which is pretty reflective of what I've seen.

A couple of fairly obvious examples of $pin:

- On page 24, they list Abu Dhabi as a "new favourite" track among fans, but when you look at the chart it's very unpopular and gets in by default since other tracks either aren't new or are categorised elsewhere (like USA). Also worth noting they have stacked the results from the several surveys ontop of eachother and the bulk of Abu Dhabi's votes come from 2010. Fan 'favourite' track indeed.

- On page 36 the graph to show the influence pay TV has had on people's watching habits is laughable. It's clearly been made to be impossible to accurately interpret, the jist of it being that the response was it 'makes no difference' to viewing habits. I'd love to see the actual data behind that, and I'd love to know how many charts they tried before settling on that one.

Black_Flag_11 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:51 pm

- On page 36 the graph to show the influence pay TV has had on people's watching habits is laughable. It's clearly been made to be impossible to accurately interpret, the jist of it being that the response was it 'makes no difference' to viewing habits. I'd love to see the actual data behind that, and I'd love to know how many charts they tried before settling on that one.

I find the chart pretty easy to read. What it says to me is that:

a) At no point has pay TV increased viewership (obviously)

b) Since 2015, there has been a trend away from 'watch less' towards 'no change', which almost certainly is caused by fewer and fewer viewers losing access to non-pay TV. At a point in the future where everyone has always watched F1 on pay TV, the chart will just be a line pointing to 'no change'.

The most telling thing to me is that they simple present the graph with no accompanying analysis. Obviously, any analysis given would have to conclude that pay TV has a negative effect on viewership, since there's nothing else to conclude from that data...

Interesting. Here are my reflections:

What's that graph 6.2 - no of prefered races per season - on about?
The options are 4+ (presumably it should be 4 or fewer), 5-12, 13+
When were there last 13 or fewer races per year? Surely the options should be 14-16, 17-19, 20-22... etc
Perhaps they dont want to hear fans say 22 or 23 is too many... (as I would)

"Along with free-to-air TV, traditional media platforms – particularly newspapers and radio – together with General Sports websites continued to suffer from sharp declines in usage."
This is totally disengenuous - to simply state free-to-air-TV is in decline without adding that it's not by viewer choice gives the impression that we'd all rather pay if we can!

Also, in 9.2, the verdict is that Sprint races increase interest, but only for 6% - not exactly a ringing endorsement. Not considered is the loss of importance of fastest in quali if it affects the Sprint grid and not the GP's..

I fail to see why the Gaming and E-sports section is even included. Other, of course, than that it's seen as a way to get new fans in at the bottom of the age range. But should F1 be thinking of changing to suit gamers? If they're interested they should be voting as F1 fans along with the rest of us

tim3003 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:26 pm

I fail to see why the Gaming and E-sports section is even included. Other, of course, than that it's seen as a way to get new fans in at the bottom of the age range. But should F1 be thinking of changing to suit gamers? If they're interested they should be voting as F1 fans along with the rest of us

I don't see anything to suggest that divide. I'm sure the vast majority of people who are interested in F1 gaming and F1 eSports are also interested in the main product, and did vote as F1 fans along with the rest of us.

Nothing in the eSports section suggests to me any idea of changing Formula 1 itself to suit video games. As for changing it to suit gamers, you should probably accept the reality that somewhere between a huge minority and an outright majority of all people alive are gamers to some degree, and that number is only increasing with each new generation. Gamers aren't some fringe group anymore -- they're everyone.

Exediron wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:28 pm

tim3003 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:26 pm

I fail to see why the Gaming and E-sports section is even included. Other, of course, than that it's seen as a way to get new fans in at the bottom of the age range. But should F1 be thinking of changing to suit gamers? If they're interested they should be voting as F1 fans along with the rest of us

I don't see anything to suggest that divide. I'm sure the vast majority of people who are interested in F1 gaming and F1 eSports are also interested in the main product, and did vote as F1 fans along with the rest of us.

Nothing in the eSports section suggests to me any idea of changing Formula 1 itself to suit video games. As for changing it to suit gamers, you should probably accept the reality that somewhere between a huge minority and an outright majority of all people alive are gamers to some degree, and that number is only increasing with each new generation. Gamers aren't some fringe group anymore -- they're everyone.

The only moves that hints towards gamers are some of the new, stupid graphics.

Exediron wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:28 pm

Nothing in the eSports section suggests to me any idea of changing Formula 1 itself to suit video games. As for changing it to suit gamers, you should probably accept the reality that somewhere between a huge minority and an outright majority of all people alive are gamers to some degree, and that number is only increasing with each new generation. Gamers aren't some fringe group anymore -- they're everyone.

If the specific views of gamers are not going to influence change in F1, why are they in the survey under their own section? If they are the majority as you say then their views are reflected in the main polls.

I'm a long-time F1 gamer, but what I don't want is the popularity of the simplified world of games to start pressurising the FIA to make F1 more like a game. That way lie multiple shorter races, and all the spectacle-boosting gimmickry of Formula E.

tim3003 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:28 am

Exediron wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:28 pm

Nothing in the eSports section suggests to me any idea of changing Formula 1 itself to suit video games. As for changing it to suit gamers, you should probably accept the reality that somewhere between a huge minority and an outright majority of all people alive are gamers to some degree, and that number is only increasing with each new generation. Gamers aren't some fringe group anymore -- they're everyone.

If the specific views of gamers are not going to influence change in F1, why are they in the survey under their own section? If they are the majority as you say then their views are reflected in the main polls.

I must be reading the survey differently from you, because all I see is a section on F1 games, not on F1 gamers. Where is the implication that gamers were counted differently on any of the main questions?

The questions under the gaming section are specifically about games, and don't seem to have any bearing on the main product of F1 itself.