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scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

The problem is that it is now impossible not to suspect something.

Dellik wrote:Hammi now closing on Perez, i'm just baffled. It's not like he's bad in the wet as he was going round 2 secs faster than everyone else before the SC came out.

Mclaren Pitwall said this before the restart: "Lewis has taken out a hole of front wing." This info was relayed to Button, in case he wanted to do so. That might explain why he wasn't driving as well in the wet as before the red flag.

purchville wrote:

ozrevhead wrote:If only Redbull didn't stuff up Mark's pitstop

Agreed...but Vettel's pitstop is always more important..should have been a podium

yeah well...

it cost Mark a podium too - and besides he was catching Vettel when the puncture happened

Dellik wrote:

Dejay wrote:I bet someone had to pop down the shops for that Mexican flag

At this rate they'll re-claim the Alamo!

Only if Ferrari say its ok .......

schumi7 wrote:

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

Oh come on what a load of rubbish. Perez pushed and made a mistake. For God's sake Alonso won and Perez finished second. Get over it.

I think you are right...but people will wonder forever, given Ferrari's record on these things

That trophy is pretty crappy compared to some around today.

Asphalt_World wrote:Get over the Ferrari conspiracies please!!!!!

I'll see what I can do.

Welcome back, by the way. I was starting to get worried.

purchville wrote:

schumi7 wrote:

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

Oh come on what a load of rubbish. Perez pushed and made a mistake. For God's sake Alonso won and Perez finished second. Get over it.

I think you are right...but people will wonder forever, given Ferrari's record on these things

Well Perez wasn't catching Alonso after the "mistake" at the same rate he was before hand.........

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?
4. He wasn't catching him after the "mistake" at the same rate he was before......

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

*sigh*

ozrevhead wrote:

purchville wrote:

ozrevhead wrote:If only Redbull didn't stuff up Mark's pitstop

Agreed...but Vettel's pitstop is always more important..should have been a podium

yeah well...

it cost Mark a podium too - and besides he was catching Vettel when the puncture happened

Hey I was agreeing with you...I meant it cost Mark a podium...yes, Mark was quicker than Vettel this weekend!

This was a terrible race for Mclaren: Button was awful, Hamilton average, pitstops terrible, especially Hamilton's.

scaramoosh wrote:

purchville wrote:

schumi7 wrote:

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

Oh come on what a load of rubbish. Perez pushed and made a mistake. For God's sake Alonso won and Perez finished second. Get over it.

I think you are right...but people will wonder forever, given Ferrari's record on these things

Well Perez wasn't catching Alonso after the "mistake" at the same rate he was before hand.........

Probably knocked his confidence.

SilverPower wrote:

Dellik wrote:Hammi now closing on Perez, i'm just baffled. It's not like he's bad in the wet as he was going round 2 secs faster than everyone else before the SC came out.

Mclaren Pitwall said this before the restart: "Lewis has taken out a hole of front wing." This info was relayed to Button, in case he wanted to do so. That might explain why he wasn't driving as well in the wet as before the red flag.

Cheers... was thinking Hammi must have hit a bit that fell off Buttons car.

The correct term for this win as far as Ferrari is concerned is "Papering over the cracks"

Alonso the best driver on the grid, bar none.

Fiki wrote:

Asphalt_World wrote:Get over the Ferrari conspiracies please!!!!!

I'll see what I can do.

Welcome back, by the way. I was starting to get worried.

I'm a very busy boy at the moment but it's all good stuff.

purchville wrote:

ozrevhead wrote:

purchville wrote:

ozrevhead wrote:If only Redbull didn't stuff up Mark's pitstop

Agreed...but Vettel's pitstop is always more important..should have been a podium

yeah well...

it cost Mark a podium too - and besides he was catching Vettel when the puncture happened

Hey I was agreeing with you...I meant it cost Mark a podium...yes, Mark was quicker than Vettel this weekend!

yeah I know

phazblade wrote:

Dellik wrote:

Dejay wrote:I bet someone had to pop down the shops for that Mexican flag

At this rate they'll re-claim the Alamo!

Only if Ferrari say its ok .......

Ferrari will have their flag put up there ready for the Austin GP if that ever happens.

Look at the smile on Perez in the press conference!

So good for F1

I hope Ferrari don't really start thinking they're back in the mix. The win's great (and won on merit on the day), but they don't have enough pace even to keep off Sauber in the dry.

Get working guys, the championship would be more interesting with Fred at the sharp end.

telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

Well done Checo, We're extremly proud of you here in mexico. Long Long over due

Dejay wrote:

scaramoosh wrote:

purchville wrote:

schumi7 wrote:

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

Oh come on what a load of rubbish. Perez pushed and made a mistake. For God's sake Alonso won and Perez finished second. Get over it.

I think you are right...but people will wonder forever, given Ferrari's record on these things

Well Perez wasn't catching Alonso after the "mistake" at the same rate he was before hand.........

Probably knocked his confidence.

And he probably realized that if he makes another mistake he could've cost him finishing.

kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

I see very little Ferrari fans here. I certainly am not one.

I'm more amazed where all that bitterness comes from.

Fiki wrote:

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

The problem is that it is now impossible not to suspect something.

Hoi Fiki

Perez should have won, the first thing that came to mind was that Perez is going to replace Massa and if that will happen, then I will draw my own conclusions of the happenings

Whilst congratulating Alonso it's good to remember that Massa helped him massively by stalling Hamilton in the pitstop

I won't be suprised over news of Perez going to Ferrari

Webber had a good race so I'm happy for him after all the problems he had last year

And of course I'm happy to see Kimi improving his position from Australia and bringing in some valuable points to Lotus

So sorry for Grosjean

NeverCryWolf wrote:

Fiki wrote:

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

The problem is that it is now impossible not to suspect something.

Hoi Fiki

Perez should have won, the first thing that came to mind was that Perez is going to replace Massa and if that will happen, then I will draw my own conclusions of the happenings

Whilst congratulating Alonso it's good to remember that Massa helped him massively by stalling Hamilton in the pitstop

I won't be suprised over news of Perez going to Ferrari

Webber had a good race so I'm happy for him after all the problems he had last year

And of course I'm happy to see Kimi improving his position from Australia and bringing in some valuable points to Lotus

So sorry for Grosjean

If Perez accepted to go to Ferrari, I would be massively surprised. Surely he has people to put things into context for him?

Fiki wrote:

NeverCryWolf wrote:

Fiki wrote:

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

The problem is that it is now impossible not to suspect something.

Hoi Fiki

Perez should have won, the first thing that came to mind was that Perez is going to replace Massa and if that will happen, then I will draw my own conclusions of the happenings

Whilst congratulating Alonso it's good to remember that Massa helped him massively by stalling Hamilton in the pitstop

I won't be suprised over news of Perez going to Ferrari

Webber had a good race so I'm happy for him after all the problems he had last year

And of course I'm happy to see Kimi improving his position from Australia and bringing in some valuable points to Lotus

So sorry for Grosjean

If Perez accepted to go to Ferrari, I would be massively surprised. Surely he has people to put things into context for him?

Dunno, did you see Alonso talking to Perez during the red flag? I wouldn't be surprised

tissot wrote:

kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

I see very little Ferrari fans here. I certainly am not one.

I'm more amazed where all that bitterness comes from.

It's not bitterness, it's the question marks hanging in the air

tissot wrote:

kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

I see very little Ferrari fans here. I certainly am not one.

I'm more amazed where all that bitterness comes from.

Iam a fan, and agreed there is alot of dislike for ferrari on these forums

Congratulations for Perez for a great drive.

I am bitterly disappointed for Button and Kobayashi, my two favourite drivers who both had terrible race .

pjv1990 wrote:Williams are an absolute joke, their drivers are going to cost them big time this season.

Really?

Alonso wins! A bit more brains and less brawn from Perez and he would have won. Using KERS at the beginning of the lap, then having to push too hard to get back at Alonso for the DRS zone.

2nd race in a row from pole to 3rd...well done McLaren. So why did Button pitted first again? Somethings are getting clear now.

N1SM032 wrote:

tissot wrote:

kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

I see very little Ferrari fans here. I certainly am not one.

I'm more amazed where all that bitterness comes from.

Iam a fan, and agreed there is alot of dislike for ferrari on these forums

Really

I must start reading this forum closer

Raifosa wrote:2nd race in a row from pole to 3rd...well done McLaren. So why did Button pitted first again? Somethings are getting clear now.

Because Lewis wanted to stay out.

Fantastic race! Love the wet, it's such a leveller.

Don't think there's much behind Perez going off - he was probably pushing so hard that he had a moment. It happens. But I think Massa is going to have Mexican nightmares for little while.

Glad to see Webber get fourth but think he could have made it on to the podium. And WTF was that with Vettel at the end? First retire, then stay out, then it's an emergency, stop the car? Sounds like his car was in imminent danger of blowing up!

Mr-E wrote:

pjv1990 wrote:Williams are an absolute joke, their drivers are going to cost them big time this season.

Really?

Lol, Bruno did great, you can't deny this. He got knocked out at the first lap by his teammate and battled his way up, lapping amongst the fastest in the wet, to finish 6th. I remember after Melbourne, someone called him a turtle. Turtles swim well when it's wet

kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

That was the team trying to make sure Perez doesn't throw away a sure 18 points. The information we have now does not indicate any collusion between Ferrari and Sauber. Having said that, I do think Perez would have won had it not been that message from the team.

Johnston wrote:

Raifosa wrote:2nd race in a row from pole to 3rd...well done McLaren. So why did Button pitted first again? Somethings are getting clear now.

Because Lewis wanted to stay out.

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