The Official 2012 Malaysia GP Race Thread

Jezick · Post by **Jezick** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:59 am

Get that thing off you chin :lol:

Fiki · Post by **Fiki** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:59 am

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

The problem is that it is now impossible not to suspect something.

SilverPower · Post by **SilverPower** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:59 am

Dellik wrote:Hammi now closing on Perez, i'm just baffled. It's not like he's bad in the wet as he was going round 2 secs faster than everyone else before the SC came out.

Mclaren Pitwall said this before the restart: "Lewis has taken out a hole of front wing." This info was relayed to Button, in case he wanted to do so. That might explain why he wasn't driving as well in the wet as before the red flag.

ozrevhead · Post by **ozrevhead** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:59 am

purchville wrote:
ozrevhead wrote:If only Redbull didn't stuff up Mark's pitstop

Agreed...but Vettel's pitstop is always more important..should have been a podium

yeah well...

it cost Mark a podium too - and besides he was catching Vettel when the puncture happened

phazblade · Post by **phazblade** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:00 am

Dellik wrote:
Dejay wrote:I bet someone had to pop down the shops for that Mexican flag

At this rate they'll re-claim the Alamo!

Only if Ferrari say its ok ....... :blush:

purchville · Post by **purchville** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:00 am

schumi7 wrote:
scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

Oh come on what a load of rubbish. Perez pushed and made a mistake. For God's sake Alonso won and Perez finished second. Get over it.

I think you are right...but people will wonder forever, given Ferrari's record on these things

Dejay · Post by **Dejay** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:01 am

That trophy is pretty crappy compared to some around today.

Fiki · Post by **Fiki** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:01 am

Asphalt_World wrote:Get over the Ferrari conspiracies please!!!!!

I'll see what I can do.

Welcome back, by the way. I was starting to get worried.

scaramoosh · Post by **scaramoosh** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:01 am

purchville wrote:
schumi7 wrote:
scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

Oh come on what a load of rubbish. Perez pushed and made a mistake. For God's sake Alonso won and Perez finished second. Get over it.

I think you are right...but people will wonder forever, given Ferrari's record on these things

Well Perez wasn't catching Alonso after the "mistake" at the same rate he was before hand.........

Lotus38 · Post by **Lotus38** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:02 am

scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?
4. He wasn't catching him after the "mistake" at the same rate he was before......

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

*sigh*

purchville · Post by **purchville** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:02 am

ozrevhead wrote:
purchville wrote:
ozrevhead wrote:If only Redbull didn't stuff up Mark's pitstop

Agreed...but Vettel's pitstop is always more important..should have been a podium

yeah well...

it cost Mark a podium too - and besides he was catching Vettel when the puncture happened

Hey I was agreeing with you...I meant it cost Mark a podium...yes, Mark was quicker than Vettel this weekend!

SilverPower · Post by **SilverPower** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:02 am

This was a terrible race for Mclaren: Button was awful, Hamilton average, pitstops terrible, especially Hamilton's.

Dejay · Post by **Dejay** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:02 am

scaramoosh wrote:
purchville wrote:
schumi7 wrote:
scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

Oh come on what a load of rubbish. Perez pushed and made a mistake. For God's sake Alonso won and Perez finished second. Get over it.

I think you are right...but people will wonder forever, given Ferrari's record on these things

Well Perez wasn't catching Alonso after the "mistake" at the same rate he was before hand.........

Probably knocked his confidence.

Dellik · Post by **Dellik** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:02 am

SilverPower wrote:
Dellik wrote:Hammi now closing on Perez, i'm just baffled. It's not like he's bad in the wet as he was going round 2 secs faster than everyone else before the SC came out.

Mclaren Pitwall said this before the restart: "Lewis has taken out a hole of front wing." This info was relayed to Button, in case he wanted to do so. That might explain why he wasn't driving as well in the wet as before the red flag.

Cheers... was thinking Hammi must have hit a bit that fell off Buttons car.

JohnnyGuitar · Post by **JohnnyGuitar** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:03 am

The correct term for this win as far as Ferrari is concerned is "Papering over the cracks"

Pole2Win · Post by **Pole2Win** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:03 am

Alonso the best driver on the grid, bar none.

Asphalt_World · Post by **Asphalt_World** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:03 am

Fiki wrote:
Asphalt_World wrote:Get over the Ferrari conspiracies please!!!!!
I'll see what I can do.

Welcome back, by the way. I was starting to get worried.

I'm a very busy boy at the moment but it's all good stuff.

ozrevhead · Post by **ozrevhead** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:04 am

purchville wrote:
ozrevhead wrote:
purchville wrote:
ozrevhead wrote:If only Redbull didn't stuff up Mark's pitstop

Agreed...but Vettel's pitstop is always more important..should have been a podium

yeah well...

it cost Mark a podium too - and besides he was catching Vettel when the puncture happened

Hey I was agreeing with you...I meant it cost Mark a podium...yes, Mark was quicker than Vettel this weekend!

yeah I know

Dellik · Post by **Dellik** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:05 am

phazblade wrote:
Dellik wrote:
Dejay wrote:I bet someone had to pop down the shops for that Mexican flag

At this rate they'll re-claim the Alamo!

Only if Ferrari say its ok .......

Ferrari will have their flag put up there ready for the Austin GP if that ever happens.

purchville · Post by **purchville** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:05 am

Look at the smile on Perez in the press conference!

So good for F1

chetan_rao · Post by **chetan_rao** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:07 am

I hope Ferrari don't really start thinking they're back in the mix. The win's great (and won on merit on the day), but they don't have enough pace even to keep off Sauber in the dry.

Get working guys, the championship would be more interesting with Fred at the sharp end. :thumbup:

kilik2010 · Post by **kilik2010** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:07 am

telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

Cool_Citrus · Post by **Cool_Citrus** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:08 am

Well done Checo, We're extremly proud of you here in mexico. Long Long over due

schumi7 · Post by **schumi7** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:08 am

Dejay wrote:
scaramoosh wrote:
purchville wrote:
schumi7 wrote:
scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.

Oh come on what a load of rubbish. Perez pushed and made a mistake. For God's sake Alonso won and Perez finished second. Get over it.

I think you are right...but people will wonder forever, given Ferrari's record on these things

Well Perez wasn't catching Alonso after the "mistake" at the same rate he was before hand.........

Probably knocked his confidence.

And he probably realized that if he makes another mistake he could've cost him finishing.

tissot · Post by **tissot** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:09 am

kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

I see very little Ferrari fans here. I certainly am not one.

I'm more amazed where all that bitterness comes from.

NeverCryWolf · Post by **NeverCryWolf** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:10 am

Fiki wrote:
scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.
The problem is that it is now impossible not to suspect something.

Hoi Fiki

Perez should have won, the first thing that came to mind was that Perez is going to replace Massa and if that will happen, then I will draw my own conclusions of the happenings

Whilst congratulating Alonso it's good to remember that Massa helped him massively by stalling Hamilton in the pitstop :thumbup:

I won't be suprised over news of Perez going to Ferrari

Webber had a good race so I'm happy for him after all the problems he had last year :thumbup:

And of course I'm happy to see Kimi improving his position from Australia and bringing in some valuable points to Lotus

So sorry for Grosjean

Fiki · Post by **Fiki** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:12 am

NeverCryWolf wrote:
Fiki wrote:
scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.
The problem is that it is now impossible not to suspect something.

Hoi Fiki

Perez should have won, the first thing that came to mind was that Perez is going to replace Massa and if that will happen, then I will draw my own conclusions of the happenings

Whilst congratulating Alonso it's good to remember that Massa helped him massively by stalling Hamilton in the pitstop

I won't be suprised over news of Perez going to Ferrari

Webber had a good race so I'm happy for him after all the problems he had last year

And of course I'm happy to see Kimi improving his position from Australia and bringing in some valuable points to Lotus

So sorry for Grosjean

If Perez accepted to go to Ferrari, I would be massively surprised. Surely he has people to put things into context for him?

NeverCryWolf · Post by **NeverCryWolf** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:14 am

Fiki wrote:
NeverCryWolf wrote:
Fiki wrote:
scaramoosh wrote:1. Perez connected to Ferrari
2. Sauber using Ferrari engines
3. On the Radio a message to be careful, they need the points.... was this a sly message?

After Ferrari's history I do not think it is stupid to believe something could be up. We all know what Alonso is prepared to do, like him at McLaren with the leaked details, in Renault with Nelson Piquet, Jr told to spin to bring out a safety car.
The problem is that it is now impossible not to suspect something.

Hoi Fiki

Perez should have won, the first thing that came to mind was that Perez is going to replace Massa and if that will happen, then I will draw my own conclusions of the happenings

Whilst congratulating Alonso it's good to remember that Massa helped him massively by stalling Hamilton in the pitstop

I won't be suprised over news of Perez going to Ferrari

Webber had a good race so I'm happy for him after all the problems he had last year

And of course I'm happy to see Kimi improving his position from Australia and bringing in some valuable points to Lotus

So sorry for Grosjean
If Perez accepted to go to Ferrari, I would be massively surprised. Surely he has people to put things into context for him?

Dunno, did you see Alonso talking to Perez during the red flag? I wouldn't be surprised

NeverCryWolf · Post by **NeverCryWolf** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:14 am

tissot wrote:
kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

I see very little Ferrari fans here. I certainly am not one.

I'm more amazed where all that bitterness comes from.

It's not bitterness, it's the question marks hanging in the air

N1SM032 · Post by **N1SM032** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:14 am

tissot wrote:
kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

I see very little Ferrari fans here. I certainly am not one.

I'm more amazed where all that bitterness comes from.

Iam a fan, and agreed there is alot of dislike for ferrari on these forums

qczhao · Post by **qczhao** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:15 am

Congratulations for Perez for a great drive.

I am bitterly disappointed for Button and Kobayashi, my two favourite drivers who both had terrible race

.

Mr-E · Post by **Mr-E** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:15 am

pjv1990 wrote:Williams are an absolute joke, their drivers are going to cost them big time this season.

Really?

Eva09 · Post by **Eva09** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:16 am

Alonso wins! A bit more brains and less brawn from Perez and he would have won. Using KERS at the beginning of the lap, then having to push too hard to get back at Alonso for the DRS zone.

Raifosa · Post by **Raifosa** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:17 am

2nd race in a row from pole to 3rd...well done McLaren. So why did Button pitted first again? Somethings are getting clear now.

NeverCryWolf · Post by **NeverCryWolf** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:17 am

N1SM032 wrote:
tissot wrote:
kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

I see very little Ferrari fans here. I certainly am not one.

I'm more amazed where all that bitterness comes from.

Iam a fan, and agreed there is alot of dislike for ferrari on these forums

Really

I must start reading this forum closer

Johnston · Post by **Johnston** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:17 am

Raifosa wrote:2nd race in a row from pole to 3rd...well done McLaren. So why did Button pitted first again? Somethings are getting clear now.

Because Lewis wanted to stay out.

EmpressJo · Post by **EmpressJo** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:18 am

Fantastic race! Love the wet, it's such a leveller.

Don't think there's much behind Perez going off - he was probably pushing so hard that he had a moment. It happens. But I think Massa is going to have Mexican nightmares for little while.

Glad to see Webber get fourth but think he could have made it on to the podium. And WTF was that with Vettel at the end? First retire, then stay out, then it's an emergency, stop the car? Sounds like his car was in imminent danger of blowing up!

XploZiV · Post by **XploZiV** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:18 am

Mr-E wrote:
pjv1990 wrote:Williams are an absolute joke, their drivers are going to cost them big time this season.

Really?

Lol, Bruno did great, you can't deny this. He got knocked out at the first lap by his teammate and battled his way up, lapping amongst the fastest in the wet, to finish 6th. I remember after Melbourne, someone called him a turtle. Turtles swim well when it's wet ;-)

SilverPower · Post by **SilverPower** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:19 am

kilik2010 wrote:telling him to secure 2nd place when hamilton was over 14 seconds behind at the time? Cmon ferrari fanboys just admit perez was basically told to not pass alonso

That was the team trying to make sure Perez doesn't throw away a sure 18 points. The information we have now does not indicate any collusion between Ferrari and Sauber. Having said that, I do think Perez would have won had it not been that message from the team.

Raifosa · Post by **Raifosa** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:20 am

Johnston wrote:
Raifosa wrote:2nd race in a row from pole to 3rd...well done McLaren. So why did Button pitted first again? Somethings are getting clear now.

Because Lewis wanted to stay out.

source?