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Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:50 pm
by JN23
Tufty wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:15 pm
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:37 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
New member here. I have introduced myself in the New members introduction thread.

I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
Hi :thumbup:

I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
Would be a bit ironic if their wingman not being wingmanny enough costs them one or both championships.
Not unprecedented though, arguably that's the role Lewis was expected to play in 2007
Very true, although Lewis performed too well to be a wingman whereas Bottas is at the other end.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:35 pm
by pokerman
Tufty wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:15 pm
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:37 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
New member here. I have introduced myself in the New members introduction thread.

I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
Hi :thumbup:

I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
Would be a bit ironic if their wingman not being wingmanny enough costs them one or both championships.
Not unprecedented though, arguably that's the role Lewis was expected to play in 2007
I think a further dynamic is the role that Gasly has being able to play these past two races.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:57 am
by Tufty
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:50 pm
Tufty wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:15 pm
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:37 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
New member here. I have introduced myself in the New members introduction thread.

I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
Hi :thumbup:

I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
Would be a bit ironic if their wingman not being wingmanny enough costs them one or both championships.
Not unprecedented though, arguably that's the role Lewis was expected to play in 2007
Very true, although Lewis performed too well to be a wingman whereas Bottas is at the other end.
True, but it's having the same effect - the intended second driver isn't keeping himself between his teammate and their rival.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:58 am
by Tufty
pokerman wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:35 pm
Tufty wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:15 pm
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:37 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
New member here. I have introduced myself in the New members introduction thread.

I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
Hi :thumbup:

I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
Would be a bit ironic if their wingman not being wingmanny enough costs them one or both championships.
Not unprecedented though, arguably that's the role Lewis was expected to play in 2007
I think a further dynamic is the role that Gasly has being able to play these past two races.
I hadn't considered Gasly, but ironically after being shafted by the big team he might be the key to their title duck ending.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:10 pm
by Delphic
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
New member here. I have introduced myself in the New members introduction thread.

I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
Hi :thumbup:

I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
I don't think Bottas will go "rogue", but I get what you are saying, Bottas and Mercedes seem to have checked out on each other, and that doesnt bode well for Lewis' title fight. Until last year and the earlier races this year Checo was getting used to the car. Jury is still out on that, but I am assuming he will get more comfortable in that car as the year goes by. So, the off track stuff that Mercedes more often than not lacked compared to Red Bull, like pit stops, strategy will be more visible. Lewis and the better car made up for their slow pit stops compared to RBs. Until now Mercedes would get away with having 0.2 seconds slower pit stops, but with Red Bull now being better and Max driving his wheels off, Mercedes cannot afford that.

If Gasly is closer to the Mercedes then that throws another wrench in the equation. Horner now has potentially 3 cars he can use to fight off Lewis. Mercedes have to be prefect in almost every race from this point on, which I dont see happening.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
by JN23
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:22 pm
by Alienturnedhuman
JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
I think Red Bull are pretty much nailed on for the WCC, unless there is some seismic upset in car performance - but the WDC could go either way and would be deserved by whoever wins it.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:25 pm
by JN23
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:22 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
I think Red Bull are pretty much nailed on for the WCC, unless there is some seismic upset in car performance - but the WDC could go either way and would be deserved by whoever wins it.
Yeah this is my view too at the moment. Hopefully it goes the distance.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:48 pm
by EPROM
JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:25 pm
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:22 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
I think Red Bull are pretty much nailed on for the WCC, unless there is some seismic upset in car performance - but the WDC could go either way and would be deserved by whoever wins it.
Yeah this is my view too at the moment. Hopefully it goes the distance.
While we all have favorites ... keeping us in suspense over the season (based on performance) is what makes for an engaging, entertaining experience! Better than recent (predictable) results.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:33 pm
by Tufty
I voted for Hamilton/Red Bull. Red Bull I remain fairly confident about, but Hamilton? I'm increasingly unsure. He seemed happy with P2 today, which is strange given he lost points to Max.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:39 pm
by Covalent
JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
Still think Mercedes had the better race car. Will be interesting to see how the teams evolve going into race 2.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:55 pm
by Tufty
Race 2? Did I miss something?

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:58 pm
by Banana Man
I'm going to say Lewis and Red Bull to win their respective championships. Just.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:13 am
by Delphic
JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
I said Max and Red Bull, and today's race solidified my opinion. WCC is all but done at this point. Regarding WDC, I think the Red Bull package (Max + RB + Pit crew/ strategy) is better than the Merc package (LH + #44 Merc + Pit Crew strategy).

The French GP kid of convinced me that it will be a tall task for Lewis to win the WDC and eventually he will fall short. I mean, Max and Red Bull were much better today in what everyone called the Merc hunting ground. For Lewis to stay in contention he has to win the next race, or hope that Max finishes out of points, both of which seem very unlikely. In other words, LH and Merc have to hope that Max doesn't stretch his lead to over 20 points after the twin Austria races. After today I would be shocked if LH wins either one of those races (unless Max has a DNF or something).
By the time they reach Silverstone, the gap will be too large, and then we will get to tracks where Red Bulls will have a better package. They already showed today that they were better on the straights than the Mercs.

Red Bulls have dominated practices, qualifying, and the races over the last three races. This is not possible just because the drivers make mistakes or the strategies fail. It is because they have a better unit which forces the other team to be on their toes all the time, hence those errors.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:27 pm
by JN23
Where do people stand on this question now?

Drivers lead down to eight and contractors down to four points.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:31 pm
by Pest44
Still think Max Is favourite for the drivers championship. Still has the fastest car in general so can’t see why he wouldn’t build up a lead again. The constructors is a little more unclear. Perez has taken a bit of a dip in form so that could swing either way

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:38 pm
by j man
My initial vote was for Hamilton and Mercedes, but I have to admit that despite today's setback Verstappen has to be favourite now. He looks to have the beating of Hamilton on all types of circuit, and without the collision he would have won today's race.

I still think Mercedes for the constructors' title though. Perez is not on the pace, and the bizarre pit strategy he was on today shows how every aspect of Red Bull's operation is centred around Verstappen's title challenge. It's reminiscent of the Alonso/Renault partnership, and it seems to be working but I think it will cost them the constructors' title. They're only ahead now because Bottas has had some rotten luck at times.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:39 pm
by BlackMan
Pest44 wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:31 pm
Still think Max Is favourite for the drivers championship. Still has the fastest car in general so can’t see why he wouldn’t build up a lead again. The constructors is a little more unclear. Perez has taken a bit of a dip in form so that could swing either way
+1 :thumbup: . I expect a return to the norm in Hungary with Max pulling away with ease and Hamilton collecting the scraps. Mercedes might clinch that 8th WCC if Bottas keeps up the current form.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:47 pm
by Delphic
Nothing has changed. Normal service will resume in Hungary. Max still has the faster car. C1 favored Merc and not many tracks are left. Merc had a hard time against Ferrari on C2!

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:58 pm
by Yeboah24
I think max for WDC but merc WCC
Max is a beast at setup (more so than anyone imo) has been on it every weekend and has arguably the better car package and probably has equal ish pace as hamilton anyway. Depends how he reacts to silverstone, can see him slipping on a banana trying to take lewis out and gifting him a win.
When it was vettel lewis often split or put the merc on pole at circuits he shouldnt have, just dont see that happening enough vs. Verstappen and the RB. At least vs. Vettel he knew he was quicker so could make the difference. Max and lewis cancel each other out imo

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:58 pm
by BlackMist
Yeboah24 wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:58 pm
I think max for WDC but merc WCC
Max is a beast at setup (more so than anyone imo) has been on it every weekend and has arguably the better car package and probably has equal ish pace as hamilton anyway. Depends how he reacts to silverstone, can see him slipping on a banana trying to take lewis out and gifting him a win.
When it was vettel lewis often split or put the merc on pole at circuits he shouldnt have, just dont see that happening enough vs. Verstappen and the RB. At least vs. Vettel he knew he was quicker so could make the difference. Max and lewis cancel each other out imo
This is where Horner has to constantly remind Max that the best form of payback is beating Hamilton on track and winning the WDC. Doing something silly like trying to take Hamilton out will end badly.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:38 pm
by vorlon24
I'm visiting RBR later this year and it's beginning to occur to me that we may have a new WDC by the time I go. I hope not, but the way things are going, Mercedes will need a massive upgrade to topple RBR

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:41 pm
by FormulaFun
Surprised that Verstappen has so little votes to become WDC, he has the superior car and is in top 3 drivers on the grid so don't think there is much Hamilton will be able to do in the long run unless Merc pull their finger out, if you look at Austria I think this is basically how the races will go from here on in, next were at Hungary and red bull are going to be supreme there

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:49 am
by KingVoid
FormulaFun wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:41 pm
Surprised that Verstappen has so little votes to become WDC, he has the superior car and is in top 3 drivers on the grid so don't think there is much Hamilton will be able to do in the long run unless Merc pull their finger out, if you look at Austria I think this is basically how the races will go from here on in, next were at Hungary and red bull are going to be supreme there
Look when the poll was opened, it was after Monaco. At the time, most people still thought that Mercedes was the superior car. They certainly looked faster in Portugal and Spain. Red Bull looked faster in Monaco, but I assume that most people thought that was an outlier.

Baku was when I began leaning towards Max.

Re: Who will win the Championships?

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:02 am
by Jezza13
I'm desperately hoping Hamilton & Merc can win the championship but, while I feel Merc will still wrap up the WCC, I fear that all things being equal, Verstappen will win the WDC.

I think RB is the better of the 2 cars but Bottas can handle the Merc better than Perez can handle the RB.