Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Forum rules
Please read the forum rules
Post Reply

Who was qualifier of the day?

Fernando Alonso
1
4%
Valtteri Bottas
0
No votes
Pierre Gasly
7
27%
Antonio Giovinazzi
0
No votes
Lewis Hamilton
8
31%
Nicholas Latifi
0
No votes
Charles Leclerc
10
38%
Nikita Mazepin
0
No votes
Lando Norris
0
No votes
Esteban Ocon
0
No votes
Sergio Pérez
0
No votes
Kimi Räikkönen
0
No votes
Daniel Ricciardo
0
No votes
George Russell
0
No votes
Carlos Sainz Jr.
0
No votes
Mick Schumacher
0
No votes
Lance Stroll
0
No votes
Yuki Tsunoda
0
No votes
Max Verstappen
0
No votes
Sebastian Vettel
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 26

User avatar
Alienturnedhuman
Posts: 4354
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm

Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Alienturnedhuman »

Which driver performed the best in qualifying today?
Last edited by Alienturnedhuman on Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
UnlikeUday
Posts: 9534
Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:53 pm
Location: Mumbai, India

Re: Baku 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by UnlikeUday »

This will be hard to decide as a lot of them were flattered by red flags, especially in Q3.
Feel The Fourth

User avatar
Alienturnedhuman
Posts: 4354
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm

Re: Baku 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Alienturnedhuman »

UnlikeUday wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:09 pm
This will be hard to decide as a lot of them were flattered by red flags, especially in Q3.
Part of the skill about qualifying on a street circuit is dealing with the potential red flags and making sure, if you have the opportunity to set one, that your bankers are competitive.

User avatar
Alienturnedhuman
Posts: 4354
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Alienturnedhuman »

For me it is fairly straightforward:

Gasly, with Leclerc and Hamilton runners up.

F1_Ernie
Posts: 3968
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:52 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by F1_Ernie »

Leclerc has more poles than Max this year
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2016: 24th place
2017: 4th place
2018: 12th place

Wins: Spain 2016, Canada 2017, Malaysia 2017
Podiums: 2nd Germany 2016, 3rd Mexico 2016, 3rd China 2018, 3rd Japan 2018, 2nd Mexico 2018

User avatar
F1Tyrant
Posts: 2501
Joined: Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:27 pm
Location: UK

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by F1Tyrant »

F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Leclerc has more poles than Max this year
The usual suspects will say that Verstappen is flattering an obviously inferior car and is definitely not under-delivering on Saturday.
OVERRATED LEGENDS RACING

Rockie
Posts: 2495
Joined: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:13 am

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Rockie »

Hamilton for me here.

Schumacher forever#1
Posts: 3264
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:29 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Schumacher forever#1 »

F1Tyrant wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:33 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Leclerc has more poles than Max this year
The usual suspects will say that Verstappen is flattering an obviously inferior car and is definitely not under-delivering on Saturday.
In fairness, he was definitely on for pole in both the last two qualifying sessions if not for the red flags.
"Always believe you will become the best, but never believe you have done so"

Yeboah24
Posts: 178
Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:09 am

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Yeboah24 »

IMO Max is great over one lap but has the same "issue" as hamilton in that his sunday performances are on an even greater level.

If anything i feel bad for perez, never got to see his q3 lap with a tow from max, see how close to kax he could have been. Both bottas and perez lost out more here than max and hamilton

User avatar
Flash2k11
Posts: 2986
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:06 pm
Location: England
Contact:

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Flash2k11 »

Chuck LeCluck, closely followed by Lewis.
2018 Pick 10 Champion

User avatar
Mercedes-Benz
Posts: 1120
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:02 am
Location: India

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Mercedes-Benz »

Hamilton and Gasly were helped by their team mate to pick up a nice tow. Although Charles was also lucky to benefit from someone I think he is probably the best qualifier. Max was unlucky.
Sir Stirling Moss "Quite frankly, Kimi Raikkonen is the fastest driver in the world"

F1_Ernie
Posts: 3968
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:52 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by F1_Ernie »

Mercedes-Benz wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:29 pm
Hamilton and Gasly were helped by their team mate to pick up a nice tow. Although Charles was also lucky to benefit from someone I think he is probably the best qualifier. Max was unlucky.
Gasly was fastest by the end of the first 2 sectors, his lap was superb. Max also had a tow and was matched by Gasly overall.
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2016: 24th place
2017: 4th place
2018: 12th place

Wins: Spain 2016, Canada 2017, Malaysia 2017
Podiums: 2nd Germany 2016, 3rd Mexico 2016, 3rd China 2018, 3rd Japan 2018, 2nd Mexico 2018

User avatar
Mercedes-Benz
Posts: 1120
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:02 am
Location: India

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Mercedes-Benz »

Gasly lap was impressive nonetheless but he was literally following his team mate and definitely got more advantage in s1 and s3. Same for Hamilton.
Sir Stirling Moss "Quite frankly, Kimi Raikkonen is the fastest driver in the world"

F1_Ernie
Posts: 3968
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:52 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by F1_Ernie »

Mercedes-Benz wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:03 pm
Gasly lap was impressive nonetheless but he was literally following his team mate and definitely got more advantage in s1 and s3. Same for Hamilton.
Max was also following his teammate, personally think he wasnt good enough than unlucky.
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2016: 24th place
2017: 4th place
2018: 12th place

Wins: Spain 2016, Canada 2017, Malaysia 2017
Podiums: 2nd Germany 2016, 3rd Mexico 2016, 3rd China 2018, 3rd Japan 2018, 2nd Mexico 2018

A.J.
Posts: 1148
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:37 am

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by A.J. »

F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Leclerc has more poles than Max this year
Both poles that likely would be Max's if not for the red flags.

F1_Ernie
Posts: 3968
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:52 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by F1_Ernie »

A.J. wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:20 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Leclerc has more poles than Max this year
Both poles that likely would be Max's if not for the red flags.
I've said before how do you work that one out without sector 1 not completed?
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2016: 24th place
2017: 4th place
2018: 12th place

Wins: Spain 2016, Canada 2017, Malaysia 2017
Podiums: 2nd Germany 2016, 3rd Mexico 2016, 3rd China 2018, 3rd Japan 2018, 2nd Mexico 2018

A.J.
Posts: 1148
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:37 am

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by A.J. »

F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:22 pm
A.J. wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:20 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Leclerc has more poles than Max this year
Both poles that likely would be Max's if not for the red flags.
I've said before how do you work that one out without sector 1 not completed?
I said both - Max was on for a pole time in Monaco when the flags came out. Today, given the pace of the car vs Ferrari Verstappen was the odds on favorite for pole (I was originally going by what Horner said, as I told you before in the other thread).

User avatar
F1Tyrant
Posts: 2501
Joined: Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:27 pm
Location: UK

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by F1Tyrant »

A.J. wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:20 pm
Both poles that likely would be Max's if not for the red flags.
Hamilton usually goes for the kill on his first run in Q3 a tip he learned from Rosberg in 2014. Verstappen is being too conservative and it's cost him pole twice. The one time he went for it he blew it by exceeding track limits.
OVERRATED LEGENDS RACING

JN23
Posts: 3574
Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:14 am

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by JN23 »

Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:01 pm
F1Tyrant wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:33 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Leclerc has more poles than Max this year
The usual suspects will say that Verstappen is flattering an obviously inferior car and is definitely not under-delivering on Saturday.
In fairness, he was definitely on for pole in both the last two qualifying sessions if not for the red flags.
I don’t understand how he was here... was the about three corners in when the red flag came out this time?

Yeboah24
Posts: 178
Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:09 am

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Yeboah24 »

Mercedes-Benz wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:03 pm
Gasly lap was impressive nonetheless but he was literally following his team mate and definitely got more advantage in s1 and s3. Same for Hamilton.
Can we stop this max didnt get a tow narrative already, he cleary did!

Schumacher forever#1
Posts: 3264
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:29 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Schumacher forever#1 »

JN23 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:11 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:01 pm
F1Tyrant wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:33 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Leclerc has more poles than Max this year
The usual suspects will say that Verstappen is flattering an obviously inferior car and is definitely not under-delivering on Saturday.
In fairness, he was definitely on for pole in both the last two qualifying sessions if not for the red flags.
I don’t understand how he was here... was the about three corners in when the red flag came out this time?
Maybe I'm wrong - was he not purple in the first two sectors? I thought his engineer told him this when the red flag came out.
"Always believe you will become the best, but never believe you have done so"

User avatar
Alienturnedhuman
Posts: 4354
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:39 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Alienturnedhuman »

Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:05 am
JN23 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:11 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:01 pm
F1Tyrant wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:33 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Leclerc has more poles than Max this year
The usual suspects will say that Verstappen is flattering an obviously inferior car and is definitely not under-delivering on Saturday.
In fairness, he was definitely on for pole in both the last two qualifying sessions if not for the red flags.
I don’t understand how he was here... was the about three corners in when the red flag came out this time?
Maybe I'm wrong - was he not purple in the first two sectors? I thought his engineer told him this when the red flag came out.
It's getting somewhat boring that people are continuing to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that Verstappen was somehow on some Jesus lap that was purple in S1 and S2 when the red flags came out and was robbed of the pole position his godly talents had earned.

Here is the video feed of his final lap (5m and 25s in if the timestamp doesn't work) and you will see with your own eyes that the yellow flags for Tsunoda's crash come out as it he going around the second corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZdLHuNrgNY&t=325s

I'm not going to time stamp the rest of it, but if you go back and watch the rest of Q3 you will see that of the first runners, Sainz is purple in S1 (later replaced by Gasly) with Leclerc getting purple ins S2 and S3.
You will also see Max getting a handy tow from Perez in S3.

TheGiantHogweed
Posts: 3851
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:15 am

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by TheGiantHogweed »

Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:07 am
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:05 am
JN23 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:11 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:01 pm
F1Tyrant wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:33 pm


The usual suspects will say that Verstappen is flattering an obviously inferior car and is definitely not under-delivering on Saturday.
In fairness, he was definitely on for pole in both the last two qualifying sessions if not for the red flags.
I don’t understand how he was here... was the about three corners in when the red flag came out this time?
Maybe I'm wrong - was he not purple in the first two sectors? I thought his engineer told him this when the red flag came out.
It's getting somewhat boring that people are continuing to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that Verstappen was somehow on some Jesus lap that was purple in S1 and S2 when the red flags came out and was robbed of the pole position his godly talents had earned.

Here is the video feed of his final lap (5m and 25s in if the timestamp doesn't work) and you will see with your own eyes that the yellow flags for Tsunoda's crash come out as it he going around the second corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZdLHuNrgNY&t=325s

I'm not going to time stamp the rest of it, but if you go back and watch the rest of Q3 you will see that of the first runners, Sainz is purple in S1 (later replaced by Gasly) with Leclerc getting purple ins S2 and S3.
You will also see Max getting a handy tow from Perez in S3.
I remember di resta saying Bottas did the fastest first sector of anyone (or was on target to by fastest mini sectors) literally as Tsunoda crashed as Bottas was the car ahead of him. He also tried to get leclerc just ahead of him so he will have also had a tow. Bottas certainly didn't look great this qualifying, but he likely missed out on qualifying in the top 6 at least. And yes, I was confused as to how Verstappen got 2 fastest sectors when i heard on the radio and saw the replay as it didn't look possible.

Paolo_Lasardi
Posts: 3034
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 2:04 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Paolo_Lasardi »

Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:07 am
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:05 am
JN23 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:11 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:01 pm
F1Tyrant wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:33 pm


The usual suspects will say that Verstappen is flattering an obviously inferior car and is definitely not under-delivering on Saturday.
In fairness, he was definitely on for pole in both the last two qualifying sessions if not for the red flags.
I don’t understand how he was here... was the about three corners in when the red flag came out this time?
Maybe I'm wrong - was he not purple in the first two sectors? I thought his engineer told him this when the red flag came out.
It's getting somewhat boring that people are continuing to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that Verstappen was somehow on some Jesus lap that was purple in S1 and S2 when the red flags came out and was robbed of the pole position his godly talents had earned.

Here is the video feed of his final lap (5m and 25s in if the timestamp doesn't work) and you will see with your own eyes that the yellow flags for Tsunoda's crash come out as it he going around the second corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZdLHuNrgNY&t=325s

I'm not going to time stamp the rest of it, but if you go back and watch the rest of Q3 you will see that of the first runners, Sainz is purple in S1 (later replaced by Gasly) with Leclerc getting purple ins S2 and S3.
You will also see Max getting a handy tow from Perez in S3.
:thumbup:

Verstappen had the same chance to be on pole like the others but he did not get it done - again.

F1_Ernie
Posts: 3968
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:52 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by F1_Ernie »

TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:48 am
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:07 am
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:05 am
JN23 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:11 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:01 pm


In fairness, he was definitely on for pole in both the last two qualifying sessions if not for the red flags.
I don’t understand how he was here... was the about three corners in when the red flag came out this time?
Maybe I'm wrong - was he not purple in the first two sectors? I thought his engineer told him this when the red flag came out.
It's getting somewhat boring that people are continuing to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that Verstappen was somehow on some Jesus lap that was purple in S1 and S2 when the red flags came out and was robbed of the pole position his godly talents had earned.

Here is the video feed of his final lap (5m and 25s in if the timestamp doesn't work) and you will see with your own eyes that the yellow flags for Tsunoda's crash come out as it he going around the second corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZdLHuNrgNY&t=325s

I'm not going to time stamp the rest of it, but if you go back and watch the rest of Q3 you will see that of the first runners, Sainz is purple in S1 (later replaced by Gasly) with Leclerc getting purple ins S2 and S3.
You will also see Max getting a handy tow from Perez in S3.
I remember di resta saying Bottas did the fastest first sector of anyone (or was on target to by fastest mini sectors) literally as Tsunoda crashed as Bottas was the car ahead of him. He also tried to get leclerc just ahead of him so he will have also had a tow. Bottas certainly didn't look great this qualifying, but he likely missed out on qualifying in the top 6 at least. And yes, I was confused as to how Verstappen got 2 fastest sectors when i heard on the radio and saw the replay as it didn't look possible.
I think it was Leclerc who purpled the first sector with a 35.413. Bottas matched him though with a 35.447.
PF1 Pick 10 Competition

2016: 24th place
2017: 4th place
2018: 12th place

Wins: Spain 2016, Canada 2017, Malaysia 2017
Podiums: 2nd Germany 2016, 3rd Mexico 2016, 3rd China 2018, 3rd Japan 2018, 2nd Mexico 2018

User avatar
Exediron
Posts: 8888
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:53 am
Location: Michigan, USA
Contact:

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Exediron »

Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:39 am
Verstappen had the same chance to be on pole like the others but he did not get it done - again.
At this point, I think it's hard to deny that Verstappen has a pattern of choking when pole position is on offer. He must have one of the lowest poles-per-win ratios of any modern driver.

By contrast, if pole position is on offer, Leclerc will either take it or crash. There's no in between.
PICK 10 COMPETITION (7 wins, 21 podiums): 3rd in 2016
TOP THREE CHAMPIONSHIP (No Limit Excedrin Racing): Champions in 2015 & 2018 | 2nd in 2017 & 2019
AUTOSPORT GP PREDICTOR: 2017 USA & P-F1 Champion

Schumacher forever#1
Posts: 3264
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:29 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Schumacher forever#1 »

Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:07 am
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:05 am
JN23 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:11 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:01 pm
F1Tyrant wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:33 pm


The usual suspects will say that Verstappen is flattering an obviously inferior car and is definitely not under-delivering on Saturday.
In fairness, he was definitely on for pole in both the last two qualifying sessions if not for the red flags.
I don’t understand how he was here... was the about three corners in when the red flag came out this time?
Maybe I'm wrong - was he not purple in the first two sectors? I thought his engineer told him this when the red flag came out.
It's getting somewhat boring that people are continuing to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that Verstappen was somehow on some Jesus lap that was purple in S1 and S2 when the red flags came out and was robbed of the pole position his godly talents had earned.

Here is the video feed of his final lap (5m and 25s in if the timestamp doesn't work) and you will see with your own eyes that the yellow flags for Tsunoda's crash come out as it he going around the second corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZdLHuNrgNY&t=325s

I'm not going to time stamp the rest of it, but if you go back and watch the rest of Q3 you will see that of the first runners, Sainz is purple in S1 (later replaced by Gasly) with Leclerc getting purple ins S2 and S3.
You will also see Max getting a handy tow from Perez in S3.
My bad - must have misremembered. Maybe it was first two corners instead of first two sectors i heard. Either way, completely misjudged that myself.
"Always believe you will become the best, but never believe you have done so"

TheGiantHogweed
Posts: 3851
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:15 am

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by TheGiantHogweed »

Did crofty just say 14th is ricciardo's best start of the season??

Paolo_Lasardi
Posts: 3034
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 2:04 pm

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by Paolo_Lasardi »

Exediron wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:58 am
Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:39 am
Verstappen had the same chance to be on pole like the others but he did not get it done - again.
At this point, I think it's hard to deny that Verstappen has a pattern of choking when pole position is on offer. He must have one of the lowest poles-per-win ratios of any modern driver.

By contrast, if pole position is on offer, Leclerc will either take it or crash. There's no in between.
:thumbup:

User avatar
EPROM
Posts: 94
Joined: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:59 am
Location: USA - Maryland

Re: Azerbaijan 2021 - Qualifier of the Day

Post by EPROM »

Exediron wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:58 am
Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:39 am
Verstappen had the same chance to be on pole like the others but he did not get it done - again.
At this point, I think it's hard to deny that Verstappen has a pattern of choking when pole position is on offer. He must have one of the lowest poles-per-win ratios of any modern driver.

By contrast, if pole position is on offer, Leclerc will either take it or crash. There's no in between.
Or both:)

Post Reply