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Ideal scenario for max, jump Charles.at the start and drive off, Lewis gets stuck in traffic.

Nightmare scenario for max, gets stuck behind charles/bottas, pits early, safety car ends up behind Lewis.

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Anyone else get the feeling some of the top drivers might not actually finish? Track limits are quite strictly enforced here.

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Option or Prime wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 8:38 am
Anyone else get the feeling some of the top drivers might not actually finish? Track limits are quite strictly enforced here.
Well, i mentioned in another thread that Verstappen and Leclerc have both crashed out here twice on race day. One not being leclerc's fault tough. But in total, including practice and qualifying too, you can add another 4 crashes between them. These two have raced very closely before and narrowly avoided contact. It could be a gentle tap and a double DNF!

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Option or Prime wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 8:38 am
Anyone else get the feeling some of the top drivers might not actually finish? Track limits are quite strictly enforced here.
Yep.

As TGH, Leclerc and Verstappen have binned it here before and they’re both aggressive so them going into turn one together would be interesting.

Hamilton will be keen to get past at least Gasly on lap one so wouldn’t be surprised to see an aggressive move there.

Could be fireworks the opening lap.

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One thing I'm quite sure about is that Max knows he's racing Lewis and not Charles. Unless someone behind him or Charlie does something exceedingly dumb, he's not going to find himself in any unnecessary trouble.

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Safety car could be a reality here considering how nimble the Haas car is. We've also got 3 rookies if You want to see it this way. Anyone can bit it under braking while exiting he tunnel or trying to make a move on the inside at the same place. Tun 1 also has been a hotbed for crashes.
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Is Hamilton's race better served by a very aggressive undercut of Gasly and Norris or staying out in clear air and overcutting them? I think the former as I doubt Hamilton's race pace will be great given his terrible set up.
JN23 wrote:
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As TGH, Leclerc and Verstappen have binned it here before and they’re both aggressive so them going into turn one together would be interesting.
This is where we see if Verstappen is bone headed or taking a Prost-like approach.
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One thing I'm quite sure about is that Max knows he's racing Lewis and not Charles.
I wouldn't be supremely confident of that. I'm absolutely certain he wants to win around here. Its pretty unlikely but this could be his only chance to win this race.
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Anything is possible in Monaco (Not exactly related from series point of view but it's a support race nonetheless at the same track:

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F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:21 am
Is Hamilton's race better served by a very aggressive undercut of Gasly and Norris or staying out in clear air and overcutting them? I think the former as I doubt Hamilton's race pace will be great given his terrible set up.
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Sun May 23, 2021 9:11 am
As TGH, Leclerc and Verstappen have binned it here before and they’re both aggressive so them going into turn one together would be interesting.
This is where we see if Verstappen is bone headed or taking a Prost-like approach.
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Sun May 23, 2021 9:15 am
One thing I'm quite sure about is that Max knows he's racing Lewis and not Charles.
I wouldn't be supremely confident of that. I'm absolutely certain he wants to win around here. Its pretty unlikely but this could be his only chance to win this race.
I think Max will be pretty circumspect as long as Hamilton is still out the top 3. 2nd with Hamilton 5th or 6th is a great result and Max knows it.

I think Hamilton will go long but we shall see.

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No issues with Leclerc’s gearbox, he starts from pole:

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 10:30 am
F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:21 am
Is Hamilton's race better served by a very aggressive undercut of Gasly and Norris or staying out in clear air and overcutting them? I think the former as I doubt Hamilton's race pace will be great given his terrible set up.
JN23 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:11 am
As TGH, Leclerc and Verstappen have binned it here before and they’re both aggressive so them going into turn one together would be interesting.
This is where we see if Verstappen is bone headed or taking a Prost-like approach.
Invade wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:15 am
One thing I'm quite sure about is that Max knows he's racing Lewis and not Charles.
I wouldn't be supremely confident of that. I'm absolutely certain he wants to win around here. Its pretty unlikely but this could be his only chance to win this race.
I think Max will be pretty circumspect as long as Hamilton is still out the top 3. 2nd with Hamilton 5th or 6th is a great result and Max knows it.

I think Hamilton will go long but we shall see.
Agree and hope for conveniently timed SC/VSC.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:20 am
Safety car could be a reality here considering how nimble the Haas car is. We've also got 3 rookies if You want to see it this way. Anyone can bit it under braking while exiting he tunnel or trying to make a move on the inside at the same place. Tun 1 also has been a hotbed for crashes.
A point of interest from F2 is that the race director was actually using the VSC rather than the SC even when marshals had to come on track to recover vehicles.

Why they can do that here but need a full SC to recover a vehicle miles off track everywhere else is beyond me.

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Just to think I think a more realistic number of points hamilton will have got in Emilia Romagna had he not been very lucky will have been 2 - 6 rather than 18.

So with this race ahead of us and Hamilton likely to finish some way behind Verstappen, I think we probably can say it is verstappen who's had the better season so far. Especially if many think the red bull doesn't quite have the pace of mercedes on race day.

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Hamilton throwing his toys out of the pram. After all that rubbish about Verstappen having a point to prove.
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JN23 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 10:33 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 10:30 am
F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:21 am
Is Hamilton's race better served by a very aggressive undercut of Gasly and Norris or staying out in clear air and overcutting them? I think the former as I doubt Hamilton's race pace will be great given his terrible set up.
JN23 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:11 am
As TGH, Leclerc and Verstappen have binned it here before and they’re both aggressive so them going into turn one together would be interesting.
This is where we see if Verstappen is bone headed or taking a Prost-like approach.
Invade wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:15 am
One thing I'm quite sure about is that Max knows he's racing Lewis and not Charles.
I wouldn't be supremely confident of that. I'm absolutely certain he wants to win around here. Its pretty unlikely but this could be his only chance to win this race.
I think Max will be pretty circumspect as long as Hamilton is still out the top 3. 2nd with Hamilton 5th or 6th is a great result and Max knows it.

I think Hamilton will go long but we shall see.
Agree and hope for conveniently timed SC/VSC.
If hamilton has bad luck or underperforms, probably around 75% of the time good luck comes very soon after and makes the end result a lot better than it would have been. He's a good luck magnet in this situation like he was when russell hit bottas about 10 seconds after he got back on tack a few weeks back.

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F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 10:53 am
Hamilton throwing his toys out of the pram. After all that rubbish about Verstappen having a point to prove.
That pretty normal isn't it? Whats the difference between that and Verstappen saying on the radio, "you've got to sort this *****ng car out" or equivalent. Top teams don't stay top if you don't keep people accountable.

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F1Tyrant wrote:
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Hamilton throwing his toys out of the pram. After all that rubbish about Verstappen having a point to prove.
Switch Hamilton with Alonso here and we know what happens
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Option or Prime wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 11:01 am
Whats the difference between that and Verstappen saying on the radio, "you've got to sort this *****ng car out" or equivalent.
Not a huge difference but what is notable is that Hamilton is clearly apportioning nearly all of the blame on the team and not much on himself. Usually, he puts his hand up when he messes up but quite clearly he though P7 was about where he could put the car the way it was handling.
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 11:02 am
Switch Hamilton with Alonso here and we know what happens
Not sure what you mean but warming front tyres on low grip tracks is Hamilton's only weakness. Alonso may well have been on the pace because he doesn't share that weakness.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 11:11 am
Option or Prime wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 11:01 am
Whats the difference between that and Verstappen saying on the radio, "you've got to sort this *****ng car out" or equivalent.
Not a huge difference but what is notable is that Hamilton is clearly apportioning nearly all of the blame on the team and not much on himself. Usually, he puts his hand up when he messes up but quite clearly he though P7 was about where he could put the car the way it was handling.
Pretty sure I saw some quotes from him last night taking his share of the blame. Basically, the team didn't do a good job and either did I type of thing.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 10:34 am
UnlikeUday wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:20 am
Safety car could be a reality here considering how nimble the Haas car is. We've also got 3 rookies if You want to see it this way. Anyone can bit it under braking while exiting he tunnel or trying to make a move on the inside at the same place. Tun 1 also has been a hotbed for crashes.
A point of interest from F2 is that the race director was actually using the VSC rather than the SC even when marshals had to come on track to recover vehicles.

Why they can do that here but need a full SC to recover a vehicle miles off track everywhere else is beyond me.
I think F2 has generally used the VSC/SC more appropriately than F1, which adds further weight to the already accepted notion that F1 deploys the SC for "entertainment" purposes. Or to fulfill a sponsorship contract.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 10:34 am
UnlikeUday wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:20 am
Safety car could be a reality here considering how nimble the Haas car is. We've also got 3 rookies if You want to see it this way. Anyone can bit it under braking while exiting he tunnel or trying to make a move on the inside at the same place. Tun 1 also has been a hotbed for crashes.
A point of interest from F2 is that the race director was actually using the VSC rather than the SC even when marshals had to come on track to recover vehicles.

Why they can do that here but need a full SC to recover a vehicle miles off track everywhere else is beyond me.
There was 3 VSC's on the trot at the same corner and when that happened I thought I bet that's a SC in F1 but I could well be wrong.
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BREAKING NEWS...

Leclerc looks like he is out of the race. Gearbox issues.

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Gutted and a huge shame for the race, regardless of who you support.
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BREAKING NEWS...

Charles leclerc looks like it's either a pit lane start or is OUT of the Monaco grand prix.

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That would be a real shame if Leclerc can't compete - the Ferraris have been showing such good form.

Shame.

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It's a mechanical system though, if it has passed an inspection and there is an issue then that is on Ferrari.

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Badgeronimous wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 12:31 pm
It's a mechanical system though, if it has passed an inspection and there is an issue then that is on Ferrari.
But if Leclerc hadn’t binned it then there would be no need for that inspection, it’s on both of them.

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Ferrari should have taken the penalty and a new gearbox.

This was an unnecessary risk.

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Leclerc and Monaco are a match made in heaven.
Rockie wrote:
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Ferrari should have taken the penalty and a new gearbox.

This was an unnecessary risk.


Waaaay too thirsty for the win.

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I was making my dinner and I heard the pit radio to michael massi.

Who was the idiot who doesnt know the rules and asked if the grid is going to reform and place max on pole.

1st rile of the sport. Know the damn rules of the sport.

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Big shame for the race to have Leclerc sidelined. It was shaping up to be way more exciting with Leclerc.

Probably justice though. As sad as it is.

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Captain hindsight is clearly going to rear its head.
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wire2004 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 12:36 pm
I was making my dinner and I heard the pit radio to michael massi.

Who was the idiot who doesnt know the rules and asked if the grid is going to reform and place max on pole.

1st rile of the sport. Know the damn rules of the sport.
You sound ruled about people not knowing the 1st rile of the sport.

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Invade wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 12:35 pm
Leclerc and Monaco are a match made in heaven.
Rockie wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 12:34 pm
Ferrari should have taken the penalty and a new gearbox.

This was an unnecessary risk.


Waaaay too thirsty for the win.
Exactly.

The angle of impact and the way the rear tyre looked the gearbox could never have been ok especially at a track like Monaco where the gearbox works harder than at most tracks.

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Mazepin can now claim he's started ahead of a Ferrari...
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Leclerc DNS.

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wire2004 wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 12:36 pm
I was making my dinner and I heard the pit radio to michael massi.

Who was the idiot who doesnt know the rules and asked if the grid is going to reform and place max on pole.

1st rile of the sport. Know the damn rules of the sport.
Just trying it they know the rules but scared of Bottas getting a flying start and being on the inside by the first corner.

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