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Flash2k11 wrote:
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This track is really not needed. Drivers were finding it hard to even pass with DRS. And what benefit did turn 10 deliver?
None, but it's a proper drivers track and not every single race has to be a DRS festival or mega non abrasive tarmac to throw up gotchas. One for the purists, sure, but you can surely appreciate it alongside some of the more random races.
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Ridiculous by Bottas does he want the Red Bull to win the race, Perez moved over for Max and then Bottas pits so what was the point and then Bottas is pitted to take the fastest lap off Hamilton.

Did Bottas know he was pitting?
I don't know that was merely the irony of what he did, when Perez helps Max but Bottas does not help Hamilton, also are you sharing Bottas' delusion that Bottas is a title contender, strange when many want him out of the Mercedes because of his inability to challenge.

If Bottas is drawing a line in the sand here to the point were he's prepared to help Red Bull well we can perhaps see him being replaced by Russell, this is not how Wolff operates, it's one thing to want to beat your own teammate but not help the opposition.
It doesn't matter what I think. Bottas needs to act like someone trying to win a championship and make the best decisions for himself. He isn't trying to help Red Bull he's trying to help himself.

We will see him replaced by Russell anyway and I'm sure he knows that.

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Bottas, "I'm not here to let people by", he also knew he was about to pit to try for fastest lap for those asking.

Bottas also believes he could have won the race if circumstances had been different, I guess qualify on pole on a track were it's very difficult to pass.

I wonder in future knowing their intention to pit Bottas, Mercedes will next time just pit Bottas out of the way.
You know Bottas can always just say no?

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The sad irony is that Bottas put up more of a fight this week when asked to let Hamilton by than he did last week when it was a genuine scrap for the lead.

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Bottas needs to act like someone trying to win a championship and make the best decisions for himself. He isn't trying to help Red Bull he's trying to help himself.
There isn't anything he can choose to do, really. Bottas' best chance is to keep it clean and hope Hamilton and Verstappen have more mechanical failures than he does.
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Ocon was the only diver to do a single stop. No one had any faith on hards.

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I'm surprised nobody gambled on slapping on a set of the hards while the safety car was out, especially given how many started on the softs even back there. Those hards must really have been clunky puddings.

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Schermerhorn wrote:
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Schermerhorn wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 2:54 pm
UnlikeUday wrote:
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This track is really not needed. Drivers were finding it hard to even pass with DRS. And what benefit did turn 10 deliver?
It's a very boring track. I can't remember the last time there was an exciting race here. Maybe 2016?
It could all change with next gen cars (hopefully). From a driving POV the track is nice, it's a classic, flowing one. These 'dirty air' cars are making it look way too bad.
But that last chicane still doesn't have any sense.
Indeed, it kills the flow of the track. If it was one big wide sweeping arc of a corner there would be more flow and cars would have an earlier slipstream.

How much would it cost to get rid of it?
A lick of paint, and little more. That section used to be high speed (well, relatively anyway), and because of the "difficulty of following a car closely", they then introduced the chicane. The old bits are still in place. Yesterday a driver used the old section to avoid the drivers' meeting in the chicane during qualifying - I think it was Vettel.
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Just catching up on Sky's post-race show and they said that Ferrari apparently have 90-95% of their resources looking at next year already. Then a bit of chat about Mercedes and Red Bull needing to not get caught out by focussing on a tough title fight ala Ferrari vs McLaren 2008/09.

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https://www.racefans.net/2021/05/09/str ... o-cleared/

I thought that was an instant and obvious penalty for stroll, but this explains it well enough for it not to be.

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Just catching up on Sky's post-race show and they said that Ferrari apparently have 90-95% of their resources looking at next year already. Then a bit of chat about Mercedes and Red Bull needing to not get caught out by focussing on a tough title fight ala Ferrari vs McLaren 2008/09.
I bet they still make a pig's ear of it and are still behind Red Bull and Mercedes even next year too....
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Schermerhorn wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 8:12 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 6:40 pm
Just catching up on Sky's post-race show and they said that Ferrari apparently have 90-95% of their resources looking at next year already. Then a bit of chat about Mercedes and Red Bull needing to not get caught out by focussing on a tough title fight ala Ferrari vs McLaren 2008/09.
I bet they still make a pig's ear of it and are still behind Red Bull and Mercedes even next year too....
A stop clock has to be right twice a day etc... so maybe Ferrari can get it right. To be fair to them, they did a good job in 2017 after sacking off 2016 early.

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WHoff78 wrote:
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Have always wondered why they have Spain and Monaco are back to back though. Would it not make sense to have a few races in between where overtaking is a bit more possible.
Probably has a lot to do with logistics, given that Monaco practice is on a Thursday and not a Friday. Now you could ask why Monaco is when it is, but apparently that's etched in stone or something.

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In the Sky pre-show, Hamilton was interviewed by Brundle who asked Hamilton what he thought set the truly great drivers apart from "just" very good drivers, and Hamilton said something along the lines of having the ability to master multiple driving styles, so one could apply those at various points along the track.

After looking at what Bottas managed to extract vs Hamilton this race, it's hard not to think Hamilton just demonstrated that in practice...

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Probably the move of the race
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All the drivers pit radio after finishing the race:
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Redbull wasnt expecting Verstappen then which lead to the pitstop delay.
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Redbull wasnt expecting Verstappen then which lead to the pitstop delay.
True. It was about a 4 second pitstop. But this longish pitstop didn't play any part in Verstappen's failure to win the race.
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Redbull wasnt expecting Verstappen then which lead to the pitstop delay.
True. It was about a 4 second pitstop. But this longish pitstop didn't play any part in Verstappen's failure to win the race.
Did I say that? It was unusual RB pitcrew made an error but it wasnt there fault.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 4:02 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 3:02 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
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Ridiculous by Bottas does he want the Red Bull to win the race, Perez moved over for Max and then Bottas pits so what was the point and then Bottas is pitted to take the fastest lap off Hamilton.

Did Bottas know he was pitting?
I don't know that was merely the irony of what he did, when Perez helps Max but Bottas does not help Hamilton, also are you sharing Bottas' delusion that Bottas is a title contender, strange when many want him out of the Mercedes because of his inability to challenge.

If Bottas is drawing a line in the sand here to the point were he's prepared to help Red Bull well we can perhaps see him being replaced by Russell, this is not how Wolff operates, it's one thing to want to beat your own teammate but not help the opposition.
It doesn't matter what I think. Bottas needs to act like someone trying to win a championship and make the best decisions for himself. He isn't trying to help Red Bull he's trying to help himself.

We will see him replaced by Russell anyway and I'm sure he knows that.
I guess it just shows the difference in what is expected from the teammates, Perez is there to help Max, Bottas is there to fight Hamilton, both were in the same situation of being a pitstop behind.
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Bottas, "I'm not here to let people by", he also knew he was about to pit to try for fastest lap for those asking.

Bottas also believes he could have won the race if circumstances had been different, I guess qualify on pole on a track were it's very difficult to pass.

I wonder in future knowing their intention to pit Bottas, Mercedes will next time just pit Bottas out of the way.
You know Bottas can always just say no?
Of course but I wonder what the reaction had been if Perez had said no, or maybe Red Bull didn't even have to ask?
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pokerman wrote:
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mikeyg123 wrote:
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pokerman wrote:
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Bottas, "I'm not here to let people by", he also knew he was about to pit to try for fastest lap for those asking.

Bottas also believes he could have won the race if circumstances had been different, I guess qualify on pole on a track were it's very difficult to pass.

I wonder in future knowing their intention to pit Bottas, Mercedes will next time just pit Bottas out of the way.
You know Bottas can always just say no?
Of course but I wonder what the reaction had been if Perez had said no, or maybe Red Bull didn't even have to ask?
The relationship seems to have broken down at Mercedes. He's not going to play the team game anymore. Good for him I say.

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pokerman wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 11:05 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 4:02 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 3:02 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
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Ridiculous by Bottas does he want the Red Bull to win the race, Perez moved over for Max and then Bottas pits so what was the point and then Bottas is pitted to take the fastest lap off Hamilton.

Did Bottas know he was pitting?
I don't know that was merely the irony of what he did, when Perez helps Max but Bottas does not help Hamilton, also are you sharing Bottas' delusion that Bottas is a title contender, strange when many want him out of the Mercedes because of his inability to challenge.

If Bottas is drawing a line in the sand here to the point were he's prepared to help Red Bull well we can perhaps see him being replaced by Russell, this is not how Wolff operates, it's one thing to want to beat your own teammate but not help the opposition.
It doesn't matter what I think. Bottas needs to act like someone trying to win a championship and make the best decisions for himself. He isn't trying to help Red Bull he's trying to help himself.

We will see him replaced by Russell anyway and I'm sure he knows that.
I guess it just shows the difference in what is expected from the teammates, Perez is there to help Max, Bottas is there to fight Hamilton, both were in the same situation of being a pitstop behind.
I think both are entitled to fight if they think it's best for them. It would be dumb to ignore the fact that both of them are in different positions in terms of their careers though.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 7:36 am
UnlikeUday wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 7:19 am
F1_Ernie wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 7:10 am
Redbull wasnt expecting Verstappen then which lead to the pitstop delay.
True. It was about a 4 second pitstop. But this longish pitstop didn't play any part in Verstappen's failure to win the race.
Did I say that? It was unusual RB pitcrew made an error but it wasnt there fault.
I never claimed that one mate. Was saying in general context. Even when Checo made his 1st pitstop, it was 2.9 seconds which is quite a lot considering RB pit crew are the best arguably at making the fastest change of tyres.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 12:28 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 11:07 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 4:04 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 3:39 pm
Bottas, "I'm not here to let people by", he also knew he was about to pit to try for fastest lap for those asking.

Bottas also believes he could have won the race if circumstances had been different, I guess qualify on pole on a track were it's very difficult to pass.

I wonder in future knowing their intention to pit Bottas, Mercedes will next time just pit Bottas out of the way.
You know Bottas can always just say no?
Of course but I wonder what the reaction had been if Perez had said no, or maybe Red Bull didn't even have to ask?
The relationship seems to have broken down at Mercedes. He's not going to play the team game anymore. Good for him I say.
While Perez plays the team game at Red Bull nice. :)

Wolff is seemingly scratching his head who to sign alongside Hamilton who seems to be the main backer for Bottas even after yesterday, we want things to be more difficult for Hamilton, we want Bottas out of the team, I get it.

You mentioned MissedApex the other day that I like to watch it however that doesn't mean that I agree with everything they say verbatim, I'm not a sheep, on this they can't understand what Bottas was doing, Bottas was a pitstop behind, anyone thinking he was racing for the win has to be seen as being as delusional as him.

It's seemingly alright for Perez to do it but not for Bottas to do it, a pitstop behind you let your teammate pass, it's done up and down the grid, I would say nominally the driver not prepared to do it gets criticised but with Hamilton we praise the guy for not doing it.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
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pokerman wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 11:05 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 4:02 pm
pokerman wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 3:02 pm
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Did Bottas know he was pitting?
I don't know that was merely the irony of what he did, when Perez helps Max but Bottas does not help Hamilton, also are you sharing Bottas' delusion that Bottas is a title contender, strange when many want him out of the Mercedes because of his inability to challenge.

If Bottas is drawing a line in the sand here to the point were he's prepared to help Red Bull well we can perhaps see him being replaced by Russell, this is not how Wolff operates, it's one thing to want to beat your own teammate but not help the opposition.
It doesn't matter what I think. Bottas needs to act like someone trying to win a championship and make the best decisions for himself. He isn't trying to help Red Bull he's trying to help himself.

We will see him replaced by Russell anyway and I'm sure he knows that.
I guess it just shows the difference in what is expected from the teammates, Perez is there to help Max, Bottas is there to fight Hamilton, both were in the same situation of being a pitstop behind.
I think both are entitled to fight if they think it's best for them. It would be dumb to ignore the fact that both of them are in different positions in terms of their careers though.
Maybe I am dumb, I need this explaining.
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pokerman wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 6:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 12:29 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 11:05 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 4:02 pm
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Sun May 09, 2021 3:02 pm

I don't know that was merely the irony of what he did, when Perez helps Max but Bottas does not help Hamilton, also are you sharing Bottas' delusion that Bottas is a title contender, strange when many want him out of the Mercedes because of his inability to challenge.

If Bottas is drawing a line in the sand here to the point were he's prepared to help Red Bull well we can perhaps see him being replaced by Russell, this is not how Wolff operates, it's one thing to want to beat your own teammate but not help the opposition.
It doesn't matter what I think. Bottas needs to act like someone trying to win a championship and make the best decisions for himself. He isn't trying to help Red Bull he's trying to help himself.

We will see him replaced by Russell anyway and I'm sure he knows that.
I guess it just shows the difference in what is expected from the teammates, Perez is there to help Max, Bottas is there to fight Hamilton, both were in the same situation of being a pitstop behind.
I think both are entitled to fight if they think it's best for them. It would be dumb to ignore the fact that both of them are in different positions in terms of their careers though.
Maybe I am dumb, I need this explaining.
Both of them are at different points in there careers. Perez is the new boy trying to fit in with his new team and prove he is good enough to drive for a top team. Bottas is on his way out knowing that this is his last ever chance.

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Lord Crc wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 10:42 pm
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Have always wondered why they have Spain and Monaco are back to back though. Would it not make sense to have a few races in between where overtaking is a bit more possible.
Probably has a lot to do with logistics, given that Monaco practice is on a Thursday and not a Friday. Now you could ask why Monaco is when it is, but apparently that's etched in stone or something.
No idea if Liberty retained the setup, but Bernie basically allowed Monaco to select their date and then worked around them.
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Probably the move of the race
This was a good move, But I would say Stroll's move on Alonso was probably more impressive than this. He ran next to Alonso for quite some time and Alonso made him work for it.

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This happened during the live pre race driver interviews. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Tufty wrote:
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Lord Crc wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 10:42 pm
WHoff78 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 2:54 pm
Have always wondered why they have Spain and Monaco are back to back though. Would it not make sense to have a few races in between where overtaking is a bit more possible.
Probably has a lot to do with logistics, given that Monaco practice is on a Thursday and not a Friday. Now you could ask why Monaco is when it is, but apparently that's etched in stone or something.
No idea if Liberty retained the setup, but Bernie basically allowed Monaco to select their date and then worked around them.
Monaco has been organized for decades mid-may... Long before Bernie had any power in F1. And once at the helm, he was not dumb enough to move the date, so didn't have to "allow" nor "forbid" anything.
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Harpo wrote:
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Tufty wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 9:34 pm
Lord Crc wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 10:42 pm
WHoff78 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 2:54 pm
Have always wondered why they have Spain and Monaco are back to back though. Would it not make sense to have a few races in between where overtaking is a bit more possible.
Probably has a lot to do with logistics, given that Monaco practice is on a Thursday and not a Friday. Now you could ask why Monaco is when it is, but apparently that's etched in stone or something.
No idea if Liberty retained the setup, but Bernie basically allowed Monaco to select their date and then worked around them.
Monaco has been organized for decades mid-may... Long before Bernie had any power in F1. And once at the helm, he was not dumb enough to move the date, so didn't have to "allow" nor "forbid" anything.
Just the logistics of closing down the city for 5 days (or longer I guess) would make it very hard to just shift it around. It makes sense to be a set time every year that everyone knows about.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
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UnlikeUday wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 3:09 am
Probably the move of the race
This was a good move, But I would say Stroll's move on Alonso was probably more impressive than this. He ran next to Alonso for quite some time and Alonso made him work for it.
That's because Alonso ran wide at turn 1 & had to rejoin the track behind the bollards which cost him speed & entry into turns 2 & 3 (check out the onboard vids in the post below. This is evident in Stroll's onboard at no. 2). Checo made a move on possibly one of the best late brakers & Ricciardo didn't even make a mistake even. Hence, I termed Checo's move as the better one.
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Top 10 onboards from the Spanish Grand Prix:

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Monaco has been organized for decades mid-may... Long before Bernie had any power in F1. And once at the helm, he was not dumb enough to move the date, so didn't have to "allow" nor "forbid" anything.
Not always mid-May, sometimes it shares the weekend with the Indy 500 which is at the end. Not this year, but it has in the past. 2019 for sure but that's not the only time.
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Tufty wrote:
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Harpo wrote:
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Monaco has been organized for decades mid-may... Long before Bernie had any power in F1. And once at the helm, he was not dumb enough to move the date, so didn't have to "allow" nor "forbid" anything.
Not always mid-May, sometimes it shares the weekend with the Indy 500 which is at the end. Not this year, but it has in the past. 2019 for sure but that's not the only time.
Should I have written "around mid-may" ? Let's say beetwen the first and the third week-end. And around the Cannes Festival too.
And friday, it's open-air market day and everybody pits for fresh vegetables.
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Re: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread

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Interesting words from Mazepin here :lol: Quoted from racefans:





"The Haas driver said he is still learning how to respond to F1’s blue flags. “I was dealing with these blue flag in Imola for the first time in my life,” he explained. “I previously never had a blue flag on a consistent basis.

“So it’s a matter of learning just the same as driving. And it took me about five, seven years to learn proper driving and it’s going to take me, hopefully, a few race weekends only to learn blue flags.”"




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mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 8:47 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 6:29 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 12:29 pm
pokerman wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 11:05 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 4:02 pm


It doesn't matter what I think. Bottas needs to act like someone trying to win a championship and make the best decisions for himself. He isn't trying to help Red Bull he's trying to help himself.

We will see him replaced by Russell anyway and I'm sure he knows that.
I guess it just shows the difference in what is expected from the teammates, Perez is there to help Max, Bottas is there to fight Hamilton, both were in the same situation of being a pitstop behind.
I think both are entitled to fight if they think it's best for them. It would be dumb to ignore the fact that both of them are in different positions in terms of their careers though.
Maybe I am dumb, I need this explaining.
Both of them are at different points in there careers. Perez is the new boy trying to fit in with his new team and prove he is good enough to drive for a top team. Bottas is on his way out knowing that this is his last ever chance.
You don't know it's Bottas' last chance that's just speculation.
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Re: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 11:36 am
Interesting words from Mazepin here :lol: Quoted from racefans:





"The Haas driver said he is still learning how to respond to F1’s blue flags. “I was dealing with these blue flag in Imola for the first time in my life,” he explained. “I previously never had a blue flag on a consistent basis.

“So it’s a matter of learning just the same as driving. And it took me about five, seven years to learn proper driving and it’s going to take me, hopefully, a few race weekends only to learn blue flags.”"




https://www.racefans.net/2021/05/11/rac ... p-11-05-4/
So basically it took him 5-7 years to learn how to drive competitively, sadly it shows how much can be manufactured if you have the money.
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Re: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread

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pokerman wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 11:49 am
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 11:36 am
Interesting words from Mazepin here :lol: Quoted from racefans:





"The Haas driver said he is still learning how to respond to F1’s blue flags. “I was dealing with these blue flag in Imola for the first time in my life,” he explained. “I previously never had a blue flag on a consistent basis.

“So it’s a matter of learning just the same as driving. And it took me about five, seven years to learn proper driving and it’s going to take me, hopefully, a few race weekends only to learn blue flags.”"




https://www.racefans.net/2021/05/11/rac ... p-11-05-4/
So basically it took him 5-7 years to learn how to drive competitively, sadly it shows how much can be manufactured if you have the money.
Yep,

Also, I can't believe he's never faced blue flags before, even if it was because he had a race incident and ended up being lapped. Plus, if you're allowed an F1 superlicence, it stands to reason that you should be able to move out of the way of lapping cars if that's what the rules dictate. There's no excuse.
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Re: 2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 12:19 pm
pokerman wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 11:49 am
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 11:36 am
Interesting words from Mazepin here :lol: Quoted from racefans:





"The Haas driver said he is still learning how to respond to F1’s blue flags. “I was dealing with these blue flag in Imola for the first time in my life,” he explained. “I previously never had a blue flag on a consistent basis.

“So it’s a matter of learning just the same as driving. And it took me about five, seven years to learn proper driving and it’s going to take me, hopefully, a few race weekends only to learn blue flags.”"




https://www.racefans.net/2021/05/11/rac ... p-11-05-4/
So basically it took him 5-7 years to learn how to drive competitively, sadly it shows how much can be manufactured if you have the money.
Yep,

Also, I can't believe he's never faced blue flags before, even if it was because he had a race incident and ended up being lapped. Plus, if you're allowed an F1 superlicence, it stands to reason that you should be able to move out of the way of lapping cars if that's what the rules dictate. There's no excuse.
Well karts races tend to be quite short as well as low level junior series races so you probably don't see a lot of blue flags.
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