2021 Spanish Grand Prix Race Thread

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Russell lost the most places of anyone. I still think he has a problem regarding consistently getting decent starts.

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Hamilton chasing usually makes for a better race.
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:07 pm
Russell lost the most places of anyone. I still think he has a problem regarding consistently getting decent starts.
Russell is the anti Stroll. Incredibly quick but poor on lap 1.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:07 pm
Russell lost the most places of anyone. I still think he has a problem regarding consistently getting decent starts.
Need to see a replay. You can get a huge bottleneck around T1 and T2 in Spain, he may have had to back out whilst others on different lines didn't. Will wait and see.
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1.8 second advantage ffs, who thinks this track is good when you need that sort of advantage
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bottas is losing time behind leclerc, just like the start of bahrain. Hamilton and Verstappen are easily pulling away.

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The front 2 are rocketing away,

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Hamilton is absolutely relentless. Verstappen thought it was done when he pulled 1.7 seconds on lap 1.
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I may be a Ferrari fan, but Bottas still being stuck behind Leclerc is everything that is wrong with this circuit, even with DRS. He'll get him I'm sure, but should be well passed in term of the cars raw pace.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:12 pm
Hamilton is absolutely relentless. Verstappen thought it was done when he pulled 1.7 seconds on lap 1.
Fairly sure Hamilton has him pegged and will go for the better pit strategy.
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If I was Hamilton I would just stay back from Verstappen and do the opposite when he pits.
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F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:11 pm
1.8 second advantage ffs, who thinks this track is good when you need that sort of advantage
That's clearly not true though.

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Slow Zone!!!!!
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Alfa servicing a car like their car garages did in the 1980s.
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Mercedes need to sort their starts out. Hamilton and Bottas not been great so far this season.

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Tsunoda being cleared before the pack has caught the SC proving that the VSC would have done.

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I can't say I've ever seen a new tyre going on punctured.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:15 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:11 pm
1.8 second advantage ffs, who thinks this track is good when you need that sort of advantage
That's clearly not true though.
Is Crofty wrong again then? It must be over a second surely
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F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:16 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:15 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:11 pm
1.8 second advantage ffs, who thinks this track is good when you need that sort of advantage
That's clearly not true though.
Is Crofty wrong again then? It just be over a second surely
It did get to around 1.8 seconds.
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Giovinazzi's luck is horrendous this year... To me he's been slightly at least slightly better than kimi every weekend, but bad luck on his side often masks this.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:15 pm
If I was Hamilton I would just stay back from Verstappen and do the opposite when he pits.
Undercut more likely to get track position than a late overtake on fresh rubber.
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Unless Lewis has a significant car advantage and thinks he can pass, he needs to stay back to preserve the tyres.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:15 pm
Slow Zone!!!!!

Agreed. We need a slow zone from campsa to the final chicane.

But If what martin brundle just said. We will see the safety car alot more with the sponsorship. Bad news.

What's next. Last lap. White flag sponsored by credit one bank.
The (insert sponsorship) Mercedes/aston martin safety car.
The Rolex restart zone.
The DHL victory zone.

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F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:19 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:15 pm
If I was Hamilton I would just stay back from Verstappen and do the opposite when he pits.
Undercut more likely to get track position than a late overtake on fresh rubber.
I was more thinking to see if Verstappen goes for 2 stop or 1 stop. Redbull normally have a 1 second advantage in the pits anyway.
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wire2004 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:21 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:15 pm
Slow Zone!!!!!

Agreed. We need a slow zone from campsa to the final chicane.

But If what martin brundle just said. We will see the safety car alot more with the sponsorship. Bad news.

What's next. Last lap. White flag sponsored by credit one bank.
The (insert sponsorship) Mercedes/aston martin safety car.
The Rolex restart zone.
The DHL victory zone.
Yes, it's a worry that the safety car is sponsored. The marshals will carry sponsorship next and at least one car each race will be told to crash so we see them in action.
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even with Verstappen possibly even having an advantage over hamilton, hamilton still is often under a second. But Bottas is a lot of the time over a second behind leclerc. And Ferrari is clearly around a second off the pace of the leaders. Wonder if Bottas will do a 2 stop.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:21 pm
Unless Lewis has a significant car advantage and thinks he can pass, he needs to stay back to preserve the tyres.
Heaping on the pressure to force an error?
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Bottas being stuck behind Leclerc is really bad for Mercedes
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:25 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:21 pm
Unless Lewis has a significant car advantage and thinks he can pass, he needs to stay back to preserve the tyres.
Heaping on the pressure to force an error?
Maybe, but it's such a long race that there's no panic for Lewis at the moment.
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Presumably, given which tyres suited which cars, we might see Lewis pit first, get the mediums, and Max will have to react to do the same. Then stop 2 sees another switch to mediums for Lewis, and Max returning to softs?
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I will generously call this a slow burner, so far.
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Tricky one of Charles. If Bottas was ahead and leaving him behind, Charles could perhaps lap faster than he is and be pulling away more from the pack. As it is, he may be being a little defensive which is often slower. Can't believe Bottas isn't going to beat him over the entire race.
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Banana Man wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:28 pm
I will generously call this a slow burner, so far.
Yes, but like a good game of chess, it's looking very tactical. (I'd rather have on-track action.)
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:24 pm
wire2004 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:21 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:15 pm
Slow Zone!!!!!

Agreed. We need a slow zone from campsa to the final chicane.

But If what martin brundle just said. We will see the safety car alot more with the sponsorship. Bad news.

What's next. Last lap. White flag sponsored by credit one bank.
The (insert sponsorship) Mercedes/aston martin safety car.
The Rolex restart zone.
The DHL victory zone.
Yes, it's a worry that the safety car is sponsored. The marshals will carry sponsorship next and at least one car each race will be told to crash so we see them in action.
Dont get me wrong. I enjoy the nascar (come on the #18) but its 2 different sports and 2 different disciplines. The restart zone works for nascar. As does stage racing. But the commercialization liberty are putting in place in formula 1. It's a dangerous situation and dangerous way of going. We could see restart zones or the dhl victory lane. Or something along those lines.

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this is going to be a long race for bottas if he doesnt pass leclerc

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Ugh, i think Bottas would be getting close to losing almost 20 seconds by now without that restart. I don't know how leclerc has managed to stay within 8 seconds though since the restart.

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Not put mich thought into this but I wonder if Merc would benefit from pitting Bottas early to get him away from Leclerc?

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:35 pm
Ugh, i think Bottas would be getting close to losing almost 20 seconds by now without that restart. I don't know how leclerc has managed to stay within 8 seconds though since the restart.
Yeah I thought that too re Leclerc, super impressive pace so far.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:16 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:15 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:11 pm
1.8 second advantage ffs, who thinks this track is good when you need that sort of advantage
That's clearly not true though.
Is Crofty wrong again then? It must be over a second surely
Well, Vettel has just passed Gasly. Do you really think he is 1.8 seconds a lap faster?

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Hamilton on the attack!
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