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For me,

Hamilton, Ricciardo & Alonso

Hamilton is DOTD for his incisive pass on Bottas that won him the race.

I also voted for Giovinazzi and Alonso.

Hamilton, Norris, Alonso, Schumacher

Not a good weekend from Verstappen: blew pole position yesterday, two crucial mistakes today. (But still comfortably clear of Perez.)

Disappointing: Latifi, Tsunoda, Sainz ...
... but especially Mazepin: how much was he behind Schumacher? 1 minute?
Latifi and Mazepin are a disgrace for the so-called pinneacle of motor racing.

Hamilton did absolutely what was needed and possibly deserves it. I'm just not sure he had to really really push himself for that many laps. Not his fault, I admit, I feel Alonso or Schumacher may get my vote. I will do some thinking.....

Despite the small restart mistake, I think Lewis drove pretty perfectly today so DODT.

Did Norris do a long second stint on mediums? If so, that's a shout for me.

Hamilton, Norris and Alonso for me.

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Hamilton, Norris, Alonso, Schumacher

Not a good weekend from Verstappen: blew pole position yesterday, two crucial mistakes today. (But still comfortably clear of Perez.)

Disappointing: Latifi, Tsunoda, Sainz ...
... but especially Mazepin: how much was he behind Schumacher? 1 minute?
Latifi and Mazepin are a disgrace for the so-called pinneacle of motor racing.

Latifi overtook Russell on track pretty early on in the race which i think may be the only time he's ever done that. You have to question how Russell dropped back so far. In both drivers 2nd stint, Russell did pull ahead by over 20 seconds after this though. Latifi had a rather up and down race. He certainly shouldn't have been beaten by though a haas though.

For me Hamilton and Schumacher.

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:15 pm

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Hamilton, Norris, Alonso, Schumacher

Not a good weekend from Verstappen: blew pole position yesterday, two crucial mistakes today. (But still comfortably clear of Perez.)

Disappointing: Latifi, Tsunoda, Sainz ...
... but especially Mazepin: how much was he behind Schumacher? 1 minute?
Latifi and Mazepin are a disgrace for the so-called pinneacle of motor racing.

Latifi overtook Russell on track pretty early on in the race which i think may be the only time he's ever done that. You have to question how Russell dropped back so far. In both drivers 2nd stint, Russell did pull ahead by over 20 seconds after this though. Latifi had a rather up and down race. He certainly shouldn't have been beaten by though a haas though.

Latifi briefly overtook Russell because he stopped much earlier and caught Russell when he came out of the pits on colder tyres. Russell easily retook the place a couple of laps later and pulled massively away. Despite being not particularly strong in today's race, Russell still easily outperformed Latifi.
A normal midfield-quality driver in the Williams would have beaten Russell today.

Hamilton, Norris and Alonso.

Mick runs Alonso pretty bloody close for me too.

SLH, NOR, ALO

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:15 pm

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Hamilton, Norris, Alonso, Schumacher

Not a good weekend from Verstappen: blew pole position yesterday, two crucial mistakes today. (But still comfortably clear of Perez.)

Disappointing: Latifi, Tsunoda, Sainz ...
... but especially Mazepin: how much was he behind Schumacher? 1 minute?
Latifi and Mazepin are a disgrace for the so-called pinneacle of motor racing.

Latifi overtook Russell on track pretty early on in the race which i think may be the only time he's ever done that. You have to question how Russell dropped back so far. In both drivers 2nd stint, Russell did pull ahead by over 20 seconds after this though. Latifi had a rather up and down race. He certainly shouldn't have been beaten by though a haas though.

Differing strategies. You may as well congratulate Perez for being ahead of Verstappen for a number of laps.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:41 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:15 pm

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Hamilton, Norris, Alonso, Schumacher

Not a good weekend from Verstappen: blew pole position yesterday, two crucial mistakes today. (But still comfortably clear of Perez.)

Disappointing: Latifi, Tsunoda, Sainz ...
... but especially Mazepin: how much was he behind Schumacher? 1 minute?
Latifi and Mazepin are a disgrace for the so-called pinneacle of motor racing.

Latifi overtook Russell on track pretty early on in the race which i think may be the only time he's ever done that. You have to question how Russell dropped back so far. In both drivers 2nd stint, Russell did pull ahead by over 20 seconds after this though. Latifi had a rather up and down race. He certainly shouldn't have been beaten by though a haas though.

Differing strategies. You may as well congratulate Perez for being ahead of Verstappen for a number of laps.

How did they differ other than Russell pitting 4 laps later? That is virtually no difference at all. If it is then you can say mercedes often do alternative strategies for their drivers as they quite often pit this many laps apart. It was Russell's pace in the first stint that lost him most of that time and allowed him to get overtaken by Latifi briefly. Perez on the other hand did have a very different strategy so that isn't related to this.

Russell was very quick after his stop, but my main point was that his slightly later pit stop was only a small part of the reason why Latifi got ahead of him for several laps.

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 5:06 pm

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:41 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:15 pm

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Hamilton, Norris, Alonso, Schumacher

Not a good weekend from Verstappen: blew pole position yesterday, two crucial mistakes today. (But still comfortably clear of Perez.)

Disappointing: Latifi, Tsunoda, Sainz ...
... but especially Mazepin: how much was he behind Schumacher? 1 minute?
Latifi and Mazepin are a disgrace for the so-called pinneacle of motor racing.

Latifi overtook Russell on track pretty early on in the race which i think may be the only time he's ever done that. You have to question how Russell dropped back so far. In both drivers 2nd stint, Russell did pull ahead by over 20 seconds after this though. Latifi had a rather up and down race. He certainly shouldn't have been beaten by though a haas though.

Differing strategies. You may as well congratulate Perez for being ahead of Verstappen for a number of laps.

How did they differ other than Russell pitting 4 laps later? That is virtually no difference at all. If it is then you can say mercedes often do alternative strategies for their drivers as they quite often pit this many laps apart. It was Russell's pace in the first stint that lost him most of that time and allowed him to get overtaken by Latifi briefly. Perez on the other hand did have a very different strategy so that isn't related to this.

Russell was very quick after his stop, but my main point was that his slightly later pit stop was only a small part of the reason why Latifi got ahead of him for several laps.

Russell was overtaken by Latifi because Latifi got a 4 lap undercut on him. He overtook and then pulled away again so was clearly much quicker.

Hamilton, Norris, Alonso!

I thought Sir Lewis put in a really stellar drive today, pure mastery of his art.

Hamilton, Norris, Schumacher.

Credit to Max for making Lewis work for it.

mikeyg123 wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Hamilton is DOTD for his incisive pass on Bottas that won him the race.

I also voted for Giovinazzi and Alonso.

I think these are fair picks. I voted the same way, although I considered Norris. I didn't give him my vote in the end because I think the McLaren is a very quick car and he really just delivered what was expected.

Perez won the official vote. 4th to 4th and 30 secs behind teammate...

DOLOMITE wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 10:06 pm

Perez won the official vote. 4th to 4th and 30 secs behind teammate...

A drum I’ll keep banging: Bin it.

tootsie323 wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:00 pm

Did Norris do a long second stint on mediums? If so, that's a shout for me.

He did! That's impressive. I feel that I may be being a little unfair to Hamilton who made a couple of decent passes to nail his win and demonstrated again that he can follow another car closely and not destroy his tyres (though, as a bingo bonus, we did get the 'tyres are shot' followed by a fastest lap). It's also possible that the McLaren is kinder on tyres than others (Sainz followed a similar strategy and ended up going backwards in the final part of the race) but holding pace on that stint is pretty impressive nonetheless.

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Sun May 02, 2021 10:19 pm

DOLOMITE wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 10:06 pm

Perez won the official vote. 4th to 4th and 30 secs behind teammate...

A drum I’ll keep banging: Bin it.

F1's official driver of the day poll shows how fan boost would be a terrible idea.

I voted for Hamilton/Norris/Alonso - with an honourable mention to Mick.

Not sure where all the Alonso love is coming from, he was beaten by Ocon who hasn't really shined.

yodasarmpit wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 8:27 am

Not sure where all the Alonso love is coming from, he was beaten by Ocon who hasn't really shined.

Because Alonso qualified significantly lower and made a lot of race gains.

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 am

yodasarmpit wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 8:27 am

Not sure where all the Alonso love is coming from, he was beaten by Ocon who hasn't really shined.

Because Alonso qualified significantly lower and made a lot of race gains.

Even at that, he jumped from 13th to 7th due to everyone else pitting, and was back to 11th on his pit stop. He then managed 3 overtakes near the end, a Danny Ric who is driving poorly, and Gasly and Sainz who were on tyres some 20 laps old.

I have a lot of admiration for Alonso's skills, especially back in the Renault days - but think time has passed him by a little.
He had a decent drive yesterday, but not DOTD material.

DOLOMITE wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 10:06 pm

Perez won the official vote. 4th to 4th and 30 secs behind teammate...

He was 30 secs behind after his pitstop though. Otherwise was about 8-9 secs on a constant!

yodasarmpit wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 8:27 am

Not sure where all the Alonso love is coming from, he was beaten by Ocon who hasn't really shined.

I think ocon actually has shined since after the first race. He looked about the best of anyone for the cars ability in qualifying and got what was to be expected in the race. But yea, Alonso wasn't impressive overall.

yodasarmpit wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 9:09 am

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 am

yodasarmpit wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 8:27 am

Not sure where all the Alonso love is coming from, he was beaten by Ocon who hasn't really shined.

Because Alonso qualified significantly lower and made a lot of race gains.

Even at that, he jumped from 13th to 7th due to everyone else pitting, and was back to 11th on his pit stop. He then managed 3 overtakes near the end, a Danny Ric who is driving poorly, and Gasly and Sainz who were on tyres some 20 laps old.

I have a lot of admiration for Alonso's skills, especially back in the Renault days - but think time has passed him by a little.
He had a decent drive yesterday, but not DOTD material.

Agreed...
Alonso started 13th and finished 8th (+5)
Ricciardo started 16th and finished 9th (+7), yet gets only 1/4 of the votes given Alonso. Huh?
Neither was that remarkable.

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Mon May 03, 2021 12:22 pm

yodasarmpit wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 9:09 am

Asphalt_World wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 am

yodasarmpit wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 8:27 am

Not sure where all the Alonso love is coming from, he was beaten by Ocon who hasn't really shined.

Because Alonso qualified significantly lower and made a lot of race gains.

Even at that, he jumped from 13th to 7th due to everyone else pitting, and was back to 11th on his pit stop. He then managed 3 overtakes near the end, a Danny Ric who is driving poorly, and Gasly and Sainz who were on tyres some 20 laps old.

I have a lot of admiration for Alonso's skills, especially back in the Renault days - but think time has passed him by a little.
He had a decent drive yesterday, but not DOTD material.

Agreed...
Alonso started 13th and finished 8th (+5)
Ricciardo started 16th and finished 9th (+7), yet gets only 1/4 of the votes given Alonso. Huh?
Neither was that remarkable.

I guess Alonso is still given some leeway because he was away for several years. Ricciardo should be doing much better than Alonso but isn't really.

Ricciardo made up a few more places than Alonso, but he also did that in the 3rd best car on the grid. Alonso finished immediately behind his teammate who started much further up the grid than him. That flatters Alonso a little, as Norris had a good race while Ocon seems to have had a meh race. I’d say they were much of a muchness, but I think the qualifying 16th in a McLaren thing swings it to Alonso.

I voted for Hamilton, he overtook his rivals on the track as was said on the TV. I don’t DOTD the winner automatically but feel he earned it today, especially as Perez had only narrowly taken the fastest lap from him at the time with his softs.

I wish I’d given a vote to Schumacher too having thought more about it.

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:23 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:15 pm

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Hamilton, Norris, Alonso, Schumacher

Not a good weekend from Verstappen: blew pole position yesterday, two crucial mistakes today. (But still comfortably clear of Perez.)

Disappointing: Latifi, Tsunoda, Sainz ...
... but especially Mazepin: how much was he behind Schumacher? 1 minute?
Latifi and Mazepin are a disgrace for the so-called pinneacle of motor racing.

Latifi overtook Russell on track pretty early on in the race which i think may be the only time he's ever done that. You have to question how Russell dropped back so far. In both drivers 2nd stint, Russell did pull ahead by over 20 seconds after this though. Latifi had a rather up and down race. He certainly shouldn't have been beaten by though a haas though.

Latifi briefly overtook Russell because he stopped much earlier and caught Russell when he came out of the pits on colder tyres. Russell easily retook the place a couple of laps later and pulled massively away. Despite being not particularly strong in today's race, Russell still easily outperformed Latifi.
A normal midfield-quality driver in the Williams would have beaten Russell today.

This doesn't change that much about Latifi still being disappointing but I don't think he was quite as bad as you were implying earlier. Nothing like as bad as Mazepin and not a "disgrace". After watching the highlights, Latifi actually led Russell for 9 laps after the overtake, not a couple wherever you got that from. So if you say Russell pitted much later, when that was 4 laps, I think 9 laps is a pretty long time to take to pass if you say the pass was easy. I won't deny his pace was far better after this. But his first stint after the safety car restart was no better than Latifi as the gap seemed to stabilise at 3 - 5 seconds despite russell being in clean air.

I think the votes for Alonso show how popular he is on here, he finished behind his teammate, I think perhaps were some sight is lost is in the fact that qualifying badly gave him a better tyre strategy similar to what we saw with Vettel and Stroll, having to start on softs was not a great strategy, ask Sainz.

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Mon May 03, 2021 2:29 pm

I think the votes for Alonso show how popular he is on here, he finished behind his teammate, I think perhaps were some sight is lost is in the fact that qualifying badly gave him a better tyre strategy similar to what we saw with Vettel and Stroll, having to start on softs was not a great strategy, ask Sainz.

Exactly the strategy made some drivers look better than they were this weekend, had the early stoppers gone on the hards.

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 2:19 pm

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:23 pm

TheGiantHogweed wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 4:15 pm

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑

Sun May 02, 2021 3:51 pm

Hamilton, Norris, Alonso, Schumacher

Not a good weekend from Verstappen: blew pole position yesterday, two crucial mistakes today. (But still comfortably clear of Perez.)

Disappointing: Latifi, Tsunoda, Sainz ...
... but especially Mazepin: how much was he behind Schumacher? 1 minute?
Latifi and Mazepin are a disgrace for the so-called pinneacle of motor racing.

Latifi overtook Russell on track pretty early on in the race which i think may be the only time he's ever done that. You have to question how Russell dropped back so far. In both drivers 2nd stint, Russell did pull ahead by over 20 seconds after this though. Latifi had a rather up and down race. He certainly shouldn't have been beaten by though a haas though.

Latifi briefly overtook Russell because he stopped much earlier and caught Russell when he came out of the pits on colder tyres. Russell easily retook the place a couple of laps later and pulled massively away. Despite being not particularly strong in today's race, Russell still easily outperformed Latifi.
A normal midfield-quality driver in the Williams would have beaten Russell today.

This doesn't change that much about Latifi still being disappointing but I don't think he was quite as bad as you were implying earlier. Nothing like as bad as Mazepin and not a "disgrace". After watching the highlights, Latifi actually led Russell for 9 laps after the overtake, not a couple wherever you got that from. So if you say Russell pitted much later, when that was 4 laps, I think 9 laps is a pretty long time to take to pass if you say the pass was easy. I won't deny his pace was far better after this. But his first stint after the safety car restart was no better than Latifi as the gap seemed to stabilise at 3 - 5 seconds despite russell being in clean air.

Both Williams drivers stated that the car was difficult to handle on race day. I'd write this one off as a weekend to forget for the team. Kudos to Schuey-Jnr though - he kept the pressure on Latifi in what isn't exactly a well-balanced car itself.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 2:29 pm

I think the votes for Alonso show how popular he is on here, he finished behind his teammate, I think perhaps were some sight is lost is in the fact that qualifying badly gave him a better tyre strategy similar to what we saw with Vettel and Stroll, having to start on softs was not a great strategy, ask Sainz.

I'm not sure we can say the strategy is the reason Ocon barely finished in front of Alonso. Ocon was on a superior strategy to Norris and got thumped by him, whereas Alonso was on an identical strategy to Ricciardo and beat him. From the drivers I've looked at data for, Ocon's second stint (on hards) was not very good.

I think what we're seeing is that while Ocon is notably quicker than Alonso in qualifying at the moment, he does not carry that advantage into the race. He was barely if any quicker in Imola, and now he was barely if any quicker in Portugal.

Wow....this was supposedly what happened which made Perez the driver of the day:
https://beyondtheflag.com/2021/05/04/fo ... a-mazepin/

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Tue May 04, 2021 12:43 pm

Wow....this was supposedly what happened which made Perez the driver of the day:
https://beyondtheflag.com/2021/05/04/fo ... a-mazepin/

Apparently the true DoTD was Mazepin as people looked to troll the vote but these votes were recognised as such and were disregarded hence why no percentages were shown, it's a total joke and I believe the trolling of the vote was basically people thinking also that it's just a joke.

UnlikeUday wrote: ↑

Tue May 04, 2021 12:43 pm

Wow....this was supposedly what happened which made Perez the driver of the day:
https://beyondtheflag.com/2021/05/04/fo ... a-mazepin/

Pisstaking and voting for Mazepin doesn't really explain how Checo got the vote though.

Exediron wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 10:16 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 2:29 pm

I think the votes for Alonso show how popular he is on here, he finished behind his teammate, I think perhaps were some sight is lost is in the fact that qualifying badly gave him a better tyre strategy similar to what we saw with Vettel and Stroll, having to start on softs was not a great strategy, ask Sainz.

I'm not sure we can say the strategy is the reason Ocon barely finished in front of Alonso. Ocon was on a superior strategy to Norris and got thumped by him, whereas Alonso was on an identical strategy to Ricciardo and beat him. From the drivers I've looked at data for, Ocon's second stint (on hards) was not very good.

I think what we're seeing is that while Ocon is notably quicker than Alonso in qualifying at the moment, he does not carry that advantage into the race. He was barely if any quicker in Imola, and now he was barely if any quicker in Portugal.

I've looked at the lap history Ocon stopped on lap 22 for hards, Alonso stopped on lap 40 for hards and on lap 41 he was 8 seconds behind Ocon, then took 25 laps to catch Ocon, that's an average of 0.3s per lap. Obviously Alonso had more cars to pass, the true speed difference we see in the last 8 laps when both had clean air and Alonso was 0.6s quicker but his tyres were 18 laps fresher, does that really allude to Alonso having better race pace.

As a consequence of qualifying poorly Alonso clearly had the better race strategy and to suggest that Ocon had poor race pace on the hards when 0.6s slower on tyres that were 18 laps older than Alonso's suggests that perhaps that was plucked out of the air a bit.

pokerman wrote: ↑

Tue May 04, 2021 2:55 pm

Exediron wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 10:16 pm

pokerman wrote: ↑

Mon May 03, 2021 2:29 pm

I think the votes for Alonso show how popular he is on here, he finished behind his teammate, I think perhaps were some sight is lost is in the fact that qualifying badly gave him a better tyre strategy similar to what we saw with Vettel and Stroll, having to start on softs was not a great strategy, ask Sainz.

I'm not sure we can say the strategy is the reason Ocon barely finished in front of Alonso. Ocon was on a superior strategy to Norris and got thumped by him, whereas Alonso was on an identical strategy to Ricciardo and beat him. From the drivers I've looked at data for, Ocon's second stint (on hards) was not very good.

I think what we're seeing is that while Ocon is notably quicker than Alonso in qualifying at the moment, he does not carry that advantage into the race. He was barely if any quicker in Imola, and now he was barely if any quicker in Portugal.

I've looked at the lap history Ocon stopped on lap 22 for hards, Alonso stopped on lap 40 for hards and on lap 41 he was 8 seconds behind Ocon, then took 25 laps to catch Ocon, that's an average of 0.3s per lap. Obviously Alonso had more cars to pass, the true speed difference we see in the last 8 laps when both had clean air and Alonso was 0.6s quicker but his tyres were 18 laps fresher, does that really allude to Alonso having better race pace.

As a consequence of qualifying poorly Alonso clearly had the better race strategy and to suggest that Ocon had poor race pace on the hards when 0.6s slower on tyres that were 18 laps older than Alonso's suggests that perhaps that was plucked out of the air a bit.

I'm suggesting Ocon had poor pace on hards because compared to everyone else on hards (and even several on mediums) he wasn't able to get performance out of them to the end. When he emerged from the pits he was doing high 22s, and at the end of the race he was doing mid-to-low 22s. Every other driver on the same strategy found more pace as the race went on, whereas Ocon did not.

From about lap 50 onward, he was consistently slower than Norris, Leclerc, and Alonso -- namely all of the drivers in his vicinity. And this isn't because all of them pitted for fresh tyres. Only Alonso did, but all the rest continued to get quicker throughout the race -- something Ocon was unable to do.

Looking at other drivers on similar strategies:

Norris (mediums): Pitted on lap 22, fastest lap on lap 55
Leclerc (hards): Pitted on lap 25, fastest lap on lap 63
Ocon (hards): Pitted on lap 22, fastest lap on lap 34
Gasly (mediums): Pitted on lap 24, fastest lap on lap 65
Sainz (mediums): Pitted on lap 21, fastest lap on lap 60
Giovinazzi (hards): Pitted on lap 22, fastest lap on lap 60
Vettel (mediums): Pitted on lap 22, fastest lap on lap 60
Tsunoda (hards): Pitted on lap 21, fastest lap on lap 61

All of those drivers pitted around a similar window to Ocon. Every one of them was able to extract performance until near the end of their stint. Out of all the drivers I looked at, Ocon was the only one who wasn't going notably faster in the final 15 laps than he was in the first 15 after his stop.

This isn't just about Alonso. Ocon's second stint was weak compared to everyone else who ran a similar strategy.