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I noticed that Latifi was only 2 - 3 seconds behind russell before he pitted. Then when both had pitted, he managed to overtake. Thought Russell likely lost out due to not having his tyres warmed up as now he looks quicker again. Still, Russell's race pace isn't matching qualifying, similar to bottas.

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Red Bull the king of half measures yet again for strategy. Wait long enough to chose a strategy that would have been quicker pitting earlier, but not long enough to put on soft tyres and do something productive.
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Bottas might be defending from Perez at the death lol.
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Will Red Bull sacrifice a Perez P3 to back Hamilton into Verstappen?
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They should call Checo in now so he could attack Bottas!
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The biggest threat to a Mercedes win was Bottas, thankfully Hamilton sorted that mess out
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F1_Ernie wrote:
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The biggest threat to a Mercedes win was Bottas, thankfully Hamilton sorted that mess out
Do you ever give up?
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I'd like to see Bottas pass Max even if it would strengthen the usual suspects.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:06 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:05 pm
The biggest threat to a Mercedes win was Bottas, thankfully Hamilton sorted that mess out
Do you ever give up?
Its the truth though, it's not really a great situation with such equal cars in a tight championship race
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i think i have somewhat under rated Ocon in recent years. It could be that him matching Perez was more of a good sign for him rather than negative for Perez. He looked destroyed by ricciardo, but now he's looking pretty impressive folloing the first race.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:08 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:06 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:05 pm
The biggest threat to a Mercedes win was Bottas, thankfully Hamilton sorted that mess out
Do you ever give up?
Its the truth though, it's not really a great situation with such equal cars in a tight championship race
It's not Bottas' fault that he out-qualified Lewis.
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+10? There won't be enough laps to catch Bottas.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:04 pm
Will Red Bull sacrifice a Perez P3 to back Hamilton into Verstappen?
That would be a stupid move imo. Hamilton is going to breeze past and they are just destroying Perez's chances of a podium.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:09 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:08 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:06 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:05 pm
The biggest threat to a Mercedes win was Bottas, thankfully Hamilton sorted that mess out
Do you ever give up?
Its the truth though, it's not really a great situation with such equal cars in a tight championship race
It's not Bottas' fault that he out-qualified Lewis.
Nope but it's his fault his slow on sundays
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Seems like they will hold Perez till Hamilton catches him & loses time to overtake him so Max catches up.
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F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:11 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:09 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:08 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:06 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:05 pm
The biggest threat to a Mercedes win was Bottas, thankfully Hamilton sorted that mess out
Do you ever give up?
Its the truth though, it's not really a great situation with such equal cars in a tight championship race
It's not Bottas' fault that he out-qualified Lewis.
Nope but it's his fault his slow on sundays
He's currently about 6 seconds behind possibly the greatest driver ever. Not too shabby. Either that or you truly believe he's really rubbish which then undermines Lewis' greatness rather a lot.
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UnlikeUday wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:12 pm
Seems like they will hold Perez till Hamilton catches him & loses time to overtake him so Max catches up.
Yeah and theyre in dreamland if they think Verstappen can pass Hamilton - even Bottas is now quicker than the Red Bull.
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This is a bonkers play from Red Bull...
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:12 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:11 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:09 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:08 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:06 pm


Do you ever give up?
Its the truth though, it's not really a great situation with such equal cars in a tight championship race
It's not Bottas' fault that he out-qualified Lewis.
Nope but it's his fault his slow on sundays
He's currently about 6 seconds behind possibly the greatest driver ever. Not too shabby. Either that or you truly believe he's really rubbish which then undermines Lewis' greatness rather a lot.
You seem to forget Bottas spent most of the race holding Hamilton and Verstappen up plus Hamilton is obviously managing. I dont think Bottas is rubbish but his pace before the pitstops was really poor and without a Hamilton overtake could have cost Mercedes the win.
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my network is totally fine but now tv's buffering and frame rate drops, picture quality often looking like 240p makes the value of this simply horrendous. it is hardly watchable at the moment with the amount of tines it cuts out.

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Duh...that was easy

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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:12 pm
He's currently about 6 seconds behind possibly the greatest driver ever. Not too shabby. Either that or you truly believe he's really rubbish which then undermines Lewis' greatness rather a lot.
I hope Valtteri stays on the grid and can prove his strength against a Sainz, Ocon or Gasly. Unless Hamilton has totally broke him like he broke Kovalainen.
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How nice of Red Bull to give Hamilton DRS
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How is Mazepin an entire minute behind Schumacher. What did I miss?
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:18 pm
How is Mazepin an entire minute behind Schumacher. What did I miss?
At what point is a driver too slow to be dangerous?
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Asphalt_World wrote:
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How is Mazepin an entire minute behind Schumacher. What did I miss?
:lol: :lol:

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On a side note i love how little Croft and Brundle (less so) know about any part of the race outside of the top 5. Alonso was right behind Ricciardo all race and with both pitting very late theyre obviously going to be catching up with the pack.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:20 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:18 pm
How is Mazepin an entire minute behind Schumacher. What did I miss?
At what point is a driver too slow to be dangerous?
Exactly, that and ignoring blue flags. But surely he can't be a minute off Schumacher based on nothing but pace. Did he spin?
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:55 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:51 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:48 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:42 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:40 pm
it does seem that Hamilton is only slightly faster as the gap still hasn't gone over 2 seconds. Bottas's pace is solid, but just not quite on hamilton's level.
Nah, Hamilton and Verstappen are on a clear different level to Bottas, Hamilton has just spent 20 laps in Bottas dirty air, the other way round and Hamilton would be well up the road.
And that didn't happen did it. I'm saying that Hamilton currently isn't that much quicker, and Verstappen isn't passing, and Verstappen couldn't pass hamilton in the "Bottas train". Both are quicker, But Bottas did what he needed to make it harder for them. which is what led to this situation
You really are so defensive of Bottas, pretty obvious Bottas was holding up Hamilton and now Verstappen. For Verstappen to overtake Bottas it will be so difficult. Pretty obvious Hamilton is managing his tyres.
The problem for me is that I have no idea how some people regard the Hamilton Bottas comparisons. Whist nobody can deny that one is clearly better than the other, I tend to simply read one of the two following comments.

1 Lewis is so good. Look how he destroys Bottas.
2 Bottas is so bad. He can't get close to Lewis.

So, if Lewis is that good, perhaps Bottas isn't that bad, just not as good as one of the greatest ever. Or is is that Bottas is so bad, he's making Lewis look better than he really is!!!!!

I think when people say Bottas is bad they mean he's not good enough to justify being in the best car. I can only speak for myself but I don't think Bottas is bad but I am continually frustrated by his lack of fight and the fact that he's prevented us from seeing how a different driver would stack up against Hamilton for the last 5 seasons.

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bottas lost 2 and a half tenths to Verstappen just then.

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Horner calls backing Hamilton into Verstappen with Perez "unsporting"? Why the heck did you keep him out an extra 10 laps then?
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:21 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:55 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:51 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:48 pm
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Sun May 02, 2021 2:42 pm


Nah, Hamilton and Verstappen are on a clear different level to Bottas, Hamilton has just spent 20 laps in Bottas dirty air, the other way round and Hamilton would be well up the road.
And that didn't happen did it. I'm saying that Hamilton currently isn't that much quicker, and Verstappen isn't passing, and Verstappen couldn't pass hamilton in the "Bottas train". Both are quicker, But Bottas did what he needed to make it harder for them. which is what led to this situation
You really are so defensive of Bottas, pretty obvious Bottas was holding up Hamilton and now Verstappen. For Verstappen to overtake Bottas it will be so difficult. Pretty obvious Hamilton is managing his tyres.
The problem for me is that I have no idea how some people regard the Hamilton Bottas comparisons. Whist nobody can deny that one is clearly better than the other, I tend to simply read one of the two following comments.

1 Lewis is so good. Look how he destroys Bottas.
2 Bottas is so bad. He can't get close to Lewis.

So, if Lewis is that good, perhaps Bottas isn't that bad, just not as good as one of the greatest ever. Or is is that Bottas is so bad, he's making Lewis look better than he really is!!!!!

I think when people say Bottas is bad they mean he's not good enough to justify being in the best car. I can only speak for myself but I don't think Bottas is bad but I am continually frustrated by his lack of fight and the fact that he's prevented us from seeing how a different driver would stack up against Hamilton for the last 5 seasons.
And I agree with you. I'd love a number of other drivers to be put in the other Merc alongside Lewis. But so many write him off as being useless. If that's really the case, then Lewis doesn't look quite as good as he did before. (By the way, I believe Lewis is incredibly good.)
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I'm hearing Nikita has just crossed the finish line in Imola.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:23 pm
Horner calls backing Hamilton into Verstappen with Perez "unsporting"? Why the heck did you keep him out an extra 10 laps then?
No reason not to really. He was guaranteed 4th either way. Might as well leave him out and if there's a safety car he'll win or be on the podium.

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Vettel really is dire. P10 on the grid. Now passed on track by Stroll.

Retire now man.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:24 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:21 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:55 pm
F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:51 pm
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:48 pm

And that didn't happen did it. I'm saying that Hamilton currently isn't that much quicker, and Verstappen isn't passing, and Verstappen couldn't pass hamilton in the "Bottas train". Both are quicker, But Bottas did what he needed to make it harder for them. which is what led to this situation
You really are so defensive of Bottas, pretty obvious Bottas was holding up Hamilton and now Verstappen. For Verstappen to overtake Bottas it will be so difficult. Pretty obvious Hamilton is managing his tyres.
The problem for me is that I have no idea how some people regard the Hamilton Bottas comparisons. Whist nobody can deny that one is clearly better than the other, I tend to simply read one of the two following comments.

1 Lewis is so good. Look how he destroys Bottas.
2 Bottas is so bad. He can't get close to Lewis.

So, if Lewis is that good, perhaps Bottas isn't that bad, just not as good as one of the greatest ever. Or is is that Bottas is so bad, he's making Lewis look better than he really is!!!!!

I think when people say Bottas is bad they mean he's not good enough to justify being in the best car. I can only speak for myself but I don't think Bottas is bad but I am continually frustrated by his lack of fight and the fact that he's prevented us from seeing how a different driver would stack up against Hamilton for the last 5 seasons.
And I agree with you. I'd love a number of other drivers to be put in the other Merc alongside Lewis. But so many write him off as being useless. If that's really the case, then Lewis doesn't look quite as good as he did before. (By the way, I believe Lewis is incredibly good.)
No one has said Bottas is useless but I see nothing wrong in saying Bottas was the biggest threat to Mercedes win. If Hamilton didnt overtake Bottas then the chance of a Verstappen win gets bigger. Maybe it sounds harsh but I already think Hamilton should be made number 1 even in an obvious situation like today but Hamilton is good enough to take that worry away from Mercedes.
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F1_Ernie wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:30 pm
Maybe it sounds harsh but I already think Hamilton should be made number 1 even in an obvious situation like today but Hamilton is good enough to take that worry away from Mercedes.
Hamilton would have got preferential strategy from P3 or from P2 if Max undercut. I think Bottas gets the benefit of the doubt in Round 3.
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Really, fastest lap battle. Cringe.
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I can't wait for the day one of these STUPID last lap pit stops massively backfires

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bots , ver now going for fastest lap

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Really, fastest lap battle. Cringe.
Just about to say the same thing. It's pathetic. Imagine Lewis has a puncture as he did in Silverstone last year. Just such a stupid rule. I get no pleasure from watching it and it's nothing to do with the race.
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